is gt2 really the best

[333 sp]

GT2 is the best out of 1,2,3 becuase i have not played 4 i played GT3 for 30min-1hr and went back to gt2.GT# just seems empty better graphics but in gameplay it
was taking 2 steps backward.i even believe that GT2 is better than Project gotham racing 2.pgr2 was just not realistic getting stupid kudos instead of money and only being able to race stock and the cone challanges were just

 

[Ske]

For content, cars, [R] mods, hp-restricted races and general "gt mode" lifespan: GT2 wins.
For gameplay, graphics, physics, tracks, everything else: GT4, hands down.

I'd like to play GT2 again cause it was so much fun back then... but the graphics are just too horrible now that I've played gt3 and 4. For those who keep saying GT1 was the best; do I sense a hint of "I was there from teh start" nostalgia? Just cause it was the "original" doesn't make it best imo, and I certainly think that GT2 was a major step up, now that I've had the chance to check them both out in retrospect.

The gameplay aspect has only become better as the series evolved, though GT3 was very very much lacking in content compared to GT2.. no doubt about it.. the graphics, smoothness and physics was no doubt a huge improvement... I remember going back to GT2 cause I though it was so much better.. and finding all my cars just skipping and bouncing because of the low poly count on the track surfaces

So yeah.. bring back [R] tuning and power restrictions for gt5 and we have a winner

 

[Parnelli Bone]

For content, cars, [R] mods, hp-restricted races and general "gt mode" lifespan: GT2 wins.
For gameplay, graphics, physics, tracks, everything else: GT4, hands down.

I'd like to play GT2 again cause it was so much fun back then... but the graphics are just too horrible now that I've played GT3 and 4. For those who keep saying GT1 was the best; do I sense a hint of "I was there from the start" nostalgia? Just cause it was the "original" doesn't make it best imo, and I certainly think that GT2 was a major step up, now that I've had the chance to check them both out in retrospect.

The gameplay aspect has only become better as the series evolved, though GT3 was very very much lacking in content compared to GT2.. no doubt about it.. the graphics, smoothness and physics was no doubt a huge improvement... I remember going back to GT2 cause I though it was so much better.. and finding all my cars just skipping and bouncing because of the low poly count on the track surfaces

So yeah.. bring back [R] tuning and power restrictions for gt5 and we have a winner

Actually, GT1 has something missing from later games: it is the only one of the series that features make-or-break style qualifying sessions, for which you earn money if you're good. To me this adds a bit of realism not found in later games...after all irl, you can't just roll around a track lap after lap like you can in GT3 till you get that golden lap time, nor are you forced to start in 6th place every race like in GT2. I haven't played GT4 yet, but I do know that the license tests in GT1 are consistently tougher

GT2 is still the most fun imo. GT1 lacks too many cars (not enough American & European models to keep my attention) and GT3 overall has a more serious feel. The GT3 AI seems to have a little more of a clue, although it still does dumb stuff at times.

Go back to GT2, Ske! Do some sim races in an underpowered car...I guarantee after a minute, you'll forget all about the shoddy graphics!

 

[Ske]

Go back to gT2, Ske! Do some sim races in an underpowered car...i garuntee after a minute, you'll forget all about the shoddy graphics!

Heh, I tried.. but the bouncing was just too annoying.. I'm starting to remember why I always drove 4WDs back then, the MRs keep wanting to spin when you drive over the polygon edges The left sweeper after the tunnel at Midfield was particularly nasty IIRC

 

[SportWagon]

The left sweeper after the tunnel at Midfield was particularly nasty IIRC

LSD tends to fix that.

 

[SportWagon]

Actually, GT1 has something missing from later games: it is the only one of the series that features make-or-break style qualifyg sessions, for which you earn money if you're good.

It is also the only one to keep qualifying, total time, and fastest lap time records for each race.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Heh, I tried.. but the bouncing was just too annoying.. I'm starting to remember why I always drove 4WDs back then, the MRs keep wanting to spin when you drive over the polygon edges The left sweeper after the tunnel at Midfield was particularly nasty IIRC

Cool. Alot of M/R cars are difficult to control, you just gotta have your countersteering down. It seems some of hte lower-powered ones are more nightmarish than the high (Lotus Europa and Honda Beat compared to the NSX or Vector M12).

 

[Ske]

It's not really the control that bothered me, it's the fact that the track surfaces have low poly count. Some elevation changes are edgy (sort of like jaggies if you know what I mean) instead of rounded, and therefore make some cars bounce like if they were riding over curbs all the time... It's been a while though, so I can't really give exact examples, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

 

[SportWagon]

A big problem I recall from GT2 is that most cars want to oversteer down banked turns.

 

[MacRoadster]

A big problem I recall from GT2 is that most cars want to oversteer down banked turns.

You can change that with setups.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

It's not really the control that bothered me, it's the fact that the track surfaces have low poly count. Some elevation changes are edgy (sort of like jaggies if you know what I mean) instead of rounded, and therefore make some cars bounce like if they were riding over curbs all the time... It's been a while though, so I can't really give exact examples, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

Oh I get what you're saying. Yeah, that's true...most people don't know that a banked turn or a bump in GT2 isn't smooth..it's really a bunch of tiny 2D planes pieced together. That's why cars bounce so much on the Test Track in GT2 but hardly at all in GT3.

Really, I'm kinda glad GT2 has this flaw. If you know the tracks well, you'll know what to expect, and since they didn't get the spring rates and ride height to work they way they should, (cars never drag on the ground or lose speed due to excessive bouncing like the do in GT1) these extra jags make for that much more to watch for.

 

[sucahyo]

I try GT1 once (after playing GT2), and decide to stop playing it. I can't stop the bouncing and the grip loosing is too sudden when turning, not gradually like GT2. Playing GT1 will mess up my real life driving. I don't know about GT3 or GT4.

 

[GT_Beat]

Well, I have only played 1,2,&3.... I have to give edge to GT2... # was great, but I missed used cars (love to find that old banger waitin to be a superstar), and missed Grindelwald and Red Rock Valley.... however, you gotta admit Tokyo 245 ( I think thats it ) in GT3 is an awesome ride!!

So, as it stands, GT2 is me pick.

Speaking of RPG, any of you ever try playing REAL rpg like DUngeons and Dragons, where the action is all in your head???

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Speaking of RPG, any of you ever try playing REAL rpg like DUngeons and Dragons, where the action is all in your head???

No but

 

[Xavier12]

GT 2 is the only Gran Turismo I didn't own, but aside from 3 it might be my favorite.

I had a PSX for 1 but sold it (doh) before 2 was released
When I got a PS2 though I made sure to play a ton of GT2 and it made me realize just what a great game it was....If I can find a used copy around this Xmas I will pick it up just to say I owned it.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

GT2 is an example of a game that's difficult to drink dry . Does anyone notice how quickly the cars revolve in the garage , they're a pop into one and get racing setup , saving minutes of time over GT4 in the sheer amount of races you can pull in a 'personal' time spot . The Race Synthesizer was also top notch , if a little hidden in the menu . The AI real hung on to your backsides and if you were 'overlording' the times those Tuner Supras used put in !!
GT5 i hope will not follow the rhythm of having a 'restricted' vehicle line-up as GT3a & GT1 did . GT2 was buggy as hell but inspirational in the choice range , PD should keep that central & if they want to leave the slipways in the nurb a bit buggy well . . .

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I noticed the way cars revolve real fast. that's something that bugged me early on because I was so used to GT1 and the way cars in that game revolve more slowly. I think they doubled the speed maybe because it makes it harder to notice the way some cars don't look as good as others!

I agree--the Race Synthesizer is fun, and it surprises me from time to time on the Expert level. Sometimes I'll enter some car and it'll be easy, but other times it'll be way tough. The other day I entered a Shelby Series 1 with about 400 hp and it put me up against a Mine's Lancer and Skyline...no matter what, I couldn't win against that Skyline. That one was really tough.

 

[GT_HAVOK]

I suppose gt2 is good for its range of cars, but gt4 is definatly the undertaker when it comes to tuning cars compared to gt2. 👍 👎

 

[sucahyo]

I suppose gt2 is good for its range of cars, but gt4 is definatly the undertaker when it comes to tuning cars compared to gt2. 👍 👎

More helpfull tool? GT4 is supposed to help you tuning better?
I don't think I tune better using gear chart. Data logger will help, but I prefer side by side comparison. And with PEC, AI driver and extreme tuning, I can find out more about GT2 behaviour.
Although Scaff mentioned that GT4 has better understeer simulation and better real life car stats matching, but I think GT2 have just the right feels for me.
I try playing my friend's GT3 and GT4 prologue, the GT3 drift is too easy to control (in trueno, feels like using 2.00 rear toe,10x normal), and GT4 prologue will ruining my real life driving (in silvia, I can't feel the speed, its like difference between NFS1 vs NFS2)

 

[Cosmic]

Sooo...let's 'bump' this thread.

A few months back, I got bored. And well, I put in GT4 to give it a new try.
Now when I was done with the Mission Hall it went downwards. GT4 felt very
empty. Sure there was enough things to do but it wasn't that fun. Then I turned it off and put in my most played game ever of all time in my entire life...GT2! GT2 taught me about different manufacturers...that's where I got my love for the Japanese cars. But that's not enough. I don't really know why but this game still keeps me busy once in a while. I can play all day long for a period, then later on, I put in GT4, but then, I get bored again so I put back GT2 in the PS2. Graphically, it isn't the most beautiful game ever but it sure is the best GT game of all time. I just loved tune my cars and modificate them. I loved to race in the game unlike GT4. I loved the HP restrictions so there would be some ''challange''. I knew that the AI was stupid, I knew I could easily win any race but I just simply loved the whole game and I still do.

Today, I managed to complete GT2 100% today for the first time. I felt that I haven't done everything in the game, yet, I think that I've plenty of more cars to win or either try...

Sure GT3/GT4 have better graphics but in gameplay, GT2 wins.

Just my little rant

 

[Parnelli Bone]

This is a fine thread to bump

Gotta disagree with you...I am loving. No make that LOVING the game play in GT3. I can't tell you how many times I've been neck and neck against another car only to win by a few thousandths of a second!

Just an hour ago I did the Beginner's 80's race at SSR5 and didn't qualify....okay, long story short: I wound up fighting traffic a bit but outbraked the Toyota Trueno SS into turn 1, lap 2. We kept outdoing each other but I got a firm lead on the Toyota (in my black Silvia 1800) by outbraking him into the triple chicane.

Down the straight, I was ahead by several car-lengths, but the Trueno drafted me and was making a pass down the Start / Finish line! I seriously thought I was gonna get 2nd but I won...by +.001 seconds over the Toyota!!! Now can you beat that for gameplay?

In GT2, I'd have to say those HP restrictions are good for limiting novice players but any experienced driver can enter a car up several hundred hp less than the restriction and still win...but at least Polyphony tried to limit us. That's a step I guess.

I'm still only about halfway thru GT3 because i'm doing 4 different games at once, but I'm really getting impatient to jump into GT4 now that the price is down.

I still stand by my original comment: none of the GT games can be called the best....they all have cars and features unique to themselves that can't be found in others.

I still really dig GT2, though!

 

[sucahyo]

Recently I have chance to play GT4. What immediately struck me is it very sensitif steering . It is much more sensitive than the GT2. And driving in GT4 feels like GT2 using 6.0 front camber or something. When I try to drift Falken GT-R, I have to use 0.0/7.0 camber to make it drift . Even if it does drift, the countersteering still a nightmare. Unless I can get wheel controller, I don't think I can enjoy GT4 driving as much as GT2.
Drifting a GT4 Mustang in N1 tire with 0.0/4.5 camber feel closely the same as GT2 Mustang in simulation tire with 6.0/0.0 camber .

If you like drifting in GT3 PB, I think you will find drifting is harder in GT4 (said some people who migrating).

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Huh that's weird. It's amazing to me how fast I got used to GT3. At first I didn't notice any major difference between driving a Mustang in 2 and driving a Mustang in 3 for instance...maybe because I was awed by the graphics or something. Now as I go back and forth between 2 and 3, I do notice differences, but nothing too extreme that I feel like I can't control what I'm doing. To me the major thing is: in GT1 and 2 is was using Chase 2 so I could watch the back of my car as I raced. In GT3 there is no Chase 2, all you have is the bumper view and Chase 1 which is way too big. My first car in GT3 was a PT Cruiser...tall and clumsy. You CAN'T see where you're going if you're using this view. So now I switched.

Tell you the truth, I don't drift in GT3 as much as I did in 2. I only do this when I have time to do it (like if I get ahead of the pack). but I'm finding that in GT3, most of my racing tends to be closer than it was in 2 so I'm spending more time racing instead of playing!

 

[Cosmic]

@ sucahyo - Yes. Drifting in GT4 is harder and more boring. I could easily drift any corner in GT3. That's why I liked GT3 so much...drifting, it was the most eintertaining part of the game.

 

[sucahyo]

To me the major thing is: in GT1 and 2 is was using Chase 2 so i could watch the back of my car as i raced. In GT3 there is no Chase 2, all you have is the in-cockpit view and Chase 1 which is way too big. My first car in GT3 was a PT Cruiser...tall and clumsy. You CAN'T see where you're going if you're using this view. So now i switched.

what a horrible first time experience........... GT4 rear view is ok though (at least for me)

Tell you the truth, i don't drift in GT3 as much as i did in 2. I only do this when i have time to do it (like if i get ahead of the pack). but i'm finding that in GT3, most of my racing tends to be closer than it was in 2 so i'm spending more time racing instead of playing!

Is the enemy smarter than GT4? Winning GT4 race with equal car is impossible for me right now...............

Drifting in GT4 is harder and more boring. I could easily drift any corner in GT3. That's why I liked GT3 so much...drifting, it was the most eintertaining part of the game.

How come it is more boring? because the car is more understeer in GT4? Try huge rear camber.
I can drift far longer than in GT2. N1 tire, huge rear camber, stiff front, make the car balance, find long corner, e-brake, full throttle and let it sideways . Make the car crawling in apricot hill long corner is realy entertaining . It seems the car goes sideways easier than GT2. In GT2 I never experience going sideways from (long) corner entry ... all the way, slowly ... to the wall , fun ! .
After experiencing this, I desperately find GT2 wheel traction gameshark code, but I still can't find it .

I only have 3 GT4 drift setting, one of them is Falken GT-R in DSJ vol 12, tell me what you think, I tune it to mimic my GT2 Mine R34 (although this car drift ends a lot faster ).

*Edit*

Finally found it , PAL, 2 byte
800A9928 slip threshold
800A992C straight grip
800A9930 sideway grip
800A9A00 slip threshold
800A9A04 straight grip
800A9A08 sideway grip

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Is the enemy smarter than GT4? Winning GT4 race with equal car is impossible for me right now...............

I don't have GT4 yet. This guy who lives down the street from me has it. I was racing him one day (this was about 9 months ago) but I was drunk and in a Chaparral 2D. Trust me, this is NOT a car you'll want to be racing drunk, even in a videogame!

 

[sucahyo]

And I read somewhere something that stick in your mind when you drunk will always be remembered for the rest of your life .

 

[ImprezaAddict]

^^WTF?^^

gt1 is the best because it started all the "saga"

 

[BMWteamPTG]

^^WTF?^^

gt1 is the best because it started all the "saga"

interesting comment...but i think the product gets better with age. so for now, GT4 is at the top of my list. when GT5 comes out (and it BETTER! be a better product) it will be at the top of my list.

my opinion

 

[JohnBM01]

I'm usually the one to knock GT2 as being the worst in the series. Even with all the cars and all the tracks and all the hoo-hah, the menus were horrible, much of the music got old, and not a lot to make me say this is the best in the series. I'd even put this below GT3. I think it's been more questions than answers. I'm sorry. I thought about this game after a while, and I now believe GT2 was better than GT1, but I'd still end up playing GT1 because it had a lot of things GT2 didn't. There's just not a lot for me to say that GT2 is the best in the series. GT2 lacked in execution to me. There was also one last bug with GT2- remember when you thought you had 100% completion, all for the game to say 98% or something?

It is hard for me to say GT2 is the best. I'll still play it, but so much more could have been done to let me enjoy this game more than GT1 and maybe more than GT4.