Is it me, or is Adele Overrated?Music 

Personally, I don't believe in music made after 1983. It's just not what it used to be. So today you can talk down a mic, and become famous. No musical instrument talent needed. Hoorah. Back then, if you pulled that crap, you'd be kicked out on the street! :lol:


Just my 2 cents
Really? 'Cause last I checked, that's how old school hip-hop got famous in the late 1970's; the only musical instrument was a turn table that wasn't all that different from what today's mainstream artists use to create their background music.

So I highly doubt artists such as Afrika Bambaataa or DJ Kool Herc will be getting kicked out on the street.
 
Adele is alright to me. Not any true fan of hers. Only song I've ever loved was "Rolling in the Deep." Most others see her much like she's exceptional. I wouldn't say overrated, though. Overrated suggests someone is worthy of praise that can't properly be backed up. Adele is alright, but not overrated.

Quite rare I show up in this forum.
 
Also look back now, I said MOST. You only named a few, and there are a heck of a lot more bands than that.

I can literally name over a 1,000 bands that have a lead singer that plays an instrument and have formed after 1983. And that's only the stuff I listen to. If you think mainstream radio is a representation of modern music you haven't tried. At. All.

Modern music that resembles the 60's and 70's? That's an easy assignment.






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Oh and you would have to stretch a lot to to describe these....

Radiohead
Jace Everett
Jack Penate
Hugh Laurie


as rock. A lot.

Radiohead
The Black Keys
White Stripes
Jace Everett
Jack Penate
Alter Bridge
Hugh Laurie
Snow Patrol

Am I the only person who has a hard time accepting the fact that you consider labeling Radiohead as a rock band, but don't have a hard time acknowledging Snow Patrol as a rock band? Fair enough, Radiohead do have a habit of switching genres, but Snow Patrol a "rock" band?

One thing I am tired of is the way blatantly indie bands are labeled as rock bands. I'm aware that it's full name is "indie rock" by the way. I grew up listening to Rock and Metal, so I don't take it lightly when some band of pretenders is labelled a rock band.
 
I don't like her,but she is one of the only (possibly the only) singer in the charts who records oldschool style, and especially uses no autotune. When you're used to a world of autotuned singers, even the best of singers can sound rough compared.

Listen to the beatles for example, amazing music and they are amazing singers, but at times they may sound a little off, it adds character but listened next to modern music you might need time to adjust, as it isnt tuned to perfection.

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against tuning (when its used properly and not to make you sound like an 80s keyboard robot thing), and done well it is near undetectable. But it certaintly does give people a false view on how well a singer sings. I have showed someone a non tuned vocal where they thought it was really bad (and it really wasnt great), and even judged the music on it, not liking the track. Then showed them the exact same performance (but tuned very well) and they were blown away.

I think adele is a great singer, and props to her for not using tuning on her records, but I would never listen to her music.
 
Am I the only person who has a hard time accepting the fact that you consider labeling Radiohead as a rock band, but don't have a hard time acknowledging Snow Patrol as a rock band? Fair enough, Radiohead do have a habit of switching genres, but Snow Patrol a "rock" band?

One thing I am tired of is the way blatantly indie bands are labeled as rock bands. I'm aware that it's full name is "indie rock" by the way. I grew up listening to Rock and Metal, so I don't take it lightly when some band of pretenders is labelled a rock band.

You may want to go back and read what I posted again, because I clearly stated that I do not class Radiohead as rock, and then further stated that to class Snow Patrol as rock would be a push.

Oh and you would have to stretch a lot to to describe these....
Radiohead
as rock.

50% of that list is not rock in any way and a few of the others would be borderline (Snow Patrol in particular),



My list was also never flagged by me as a list of rock acts, but rather a list of bands in which the lead singer also plays an instrument, which if you had actually read the original exchange is quite clear.

How often do you see the LEAD SINGERS THEMSELVES playing an instrument in the modern day, now eh?

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Uhh plenty.

Radiohead
The Black Keys
White Stripes
Jace Everett
Jack Penate
Alter Bridge
Hugh Laurie
Snow Patrol


And that's just the stuff (well at least 3/4 of it) that's sat on top of my turntable right now.


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So please if your going to accuse me of something, can you at least actually make it something I said, because I really don't like being misquoted



Oh and the full name is not "indie rock", that is at best a sub-genre. Its simply "Indie", and encompass a wide range of music and the title simply comes from the 'Independent' labels...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_music

...which the NME used to produce a chart for by removing all the majors from the singles chart.


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Why does it matter if the lead singer plays an instrument? What instrument does Robert Plant play in Led Zeppelin?

Oh wait...
 
Why does it matter if the lead singer plays an instrument? What instrument does Robert Plant play in Led Zeppelin?

Oh wait...
For an answer to that you would have to ask Camaroyenko, as it would seem only classic rock, made prior to '83 and by bands in which the lead singer plays an instrument is worth listening to.


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Her music isn't really my cup of tea and I did feel that she was overrated, especially the way the radio kept banging on about her and playing tracks non stop.

The thing that changed my view was seeing her live performance at the royal albert hall on TV. Even though its not really to my taste hats off to her for having a great voice which really conveys the emotion (at least live). I still find the change from singing voice to talking voice quite startling, its like suddenly Alan Carr's on stage :lol:



Robin.


That's a good performance! 👍 And this is coming from a metal fan. :odd:
 
For an answer to that you would have to ask Camaroyenko, as it would seem only classic rock, made prior to '83 and by bands in which the lead singer plays an instrument is worth listening to.


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Arguing with a 13 year old.

Priceless. :lol:
 
You may want to go back and read what I posted again, because I clearly stated that I do not class Radiohead as rock,
I am aware that you do not class Radiohead as rock. However, reading my post again, it has become clear that I did not type what I meant. It was 3am. My apologies. However, in terms of Rock bands, I would consider Radiohead to be more of a rock band than Snow Patrol.

and then further stated that to class Snow Patrol as rock would be a push.

Yes, a push off a cliff.


So please if your going to accuse me of something, can you at least actually make it something I said, because I really don't like being misquoted

Apologies. It was late night brain fade. However, I never edited your quotes in any way other than to highlight something, so it was your original quote. I now realize that getting into something like that is not a good idea when your head isn't clear. And I don't recall making any accusations.

Oh and the full name is not "indie rock", that is at best a sub-genre. Its simply "Indie", and encompass a wide range of music and the title simply comes from the 'Independent' labels...

Yes, however, bands like snow patrol could be labelled "indie rock". The term was started as a reference to independent bands, however it seems the meaning of this has changed over time. Either way, I do not regard indie rock as rock.
 
In my opinion, she is overrated.
In comparison to most modern mainstream music, I would consider her a god of singing.
In comparison to the music I listen to, she is ridiculously overrarted and her music is quite bad.

Just my opinion though.
 
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Why did this become an argument on what is rock and what is not?

Because terms such as "Rock 'n' Roll" and "Rockstar" are used in almost every genre of music, and this confuses everybody which leads to confusing discussions in which no one knows what they're talking about.
 
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Because terms such as "Rock 'n' Roll" and "Rockstar" are used in almost every genre of music, and this confuses everybody which leads to confusing discussions in which no one knows what they're talking about.

Well a rockstar is sort of a joke, really. Rockstars are more about the money and parties than the music itself.
 
jcm
In my opinion, she is overrated.
In comparison to most modern mainstream music, I would consider her a god of singing.
In comparison to the music I listen to, she is ridiculously overrarted and her music is quite bad.

Just my opinion though.

And the music you listen to is? As without it your opinion falls a bit short.


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And the music you listen to is? As without it your opinion falls a bit short.

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Iron Maiden, Metallica, Pink Floyd, Yngwie Malmsteen, Rush, and many more...
 
jcm
Iron Maiden, Metallica, Pink Floyd, Yngwie Malmsteen, Rush, and many more...

Because that's a comparable bunch of styles to Adele isn't it :dunce:

Her musical style, composition, chords structures, etc are so totally different to everything on your list that a 'quality' comparison of the two is utterly ridiculous.

I've listened to everything on your list for quite frankly longer than you've been alive, am more than aware of the level of talent involved in playing the music and find an attempt to compare them to Adele more than strange.


Given that I would be interested to know why this:



is bad in comparison to this


(Those by the way are my favourite Adele and Maiden tracks)

The chord progressions, structure, technique, time signatures, etc involved are so different as to make almost any comparison invalid.


Then again when I was your age I was only just coming out of my rock/metal is the best phase as well.


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I've always found comparing music in general rather dumb. Music is a form of art, you either enjoy it or you don't. Leave it at that. There is no room for self righteous snobs to shove drivel about their favorite bands down others throats.

Music is what it is, there is no 'bad' or 'good'. Sure there could be 'bad' and 'good' performance, but the complexity or lack of should never make a band better or worse.
 
Listening to that Later track it sounds to me that she massively overdoes the melisma style like most other singers these days.

She lacks the finesse and subtlety of a truly great singer.
 
I've always found comparing music in general rather dumb. Music is a form of art, you either enjoy it or you don't. Leave it at that. There is no room for self righteous snobs to shove drivel about their favorite bands down others throats.

Music is what it is, there is no 'bad' or 'good'. Sure there could be 'bad' and 'good' performance, but the complexity or lack of should never make a band better or worse.

Exactly 👍


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Because that's a comparable bunch of styles to Adele isn't it :dunce:

Her musical style, composition, chords structures, etc are so totally different to everything on your list that a 'quality' comparison of the two is utterly ridiculous.

I've listened to everything on your list for quite frankly longer than you've been alive, am more than aware of the level of talent involved in playing the music and find an attempt to compare them to Adele more than strange.

Given that I would be interested to know why this:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvHjbf6zsj4">YouTube Link</a>

is bad in comparison to this

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=354MU3l-25M">YouTube Link</a>
(Those by the way are my favourite Adele and Maiden tracks)

The chord progressions, structure, technique, time signatures, etc involved are so different as to make almost any comparison invalid.

Then again when I was your age I was only just coming out of my rock/metal is the best phase as well.

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I also like classical and jazz music quite a lot, I simply don't have very good accsess to it (I do have a few Miles Davis albums though). I have tons of respect for these genres of music and love listening to them, I just don't have them on my Ipod. When I get money, they will be on my Ipod.

There's a few big reasons I say Adele is overrated.

1. She is played a lot on the radio, while the bands/artists I have the most respect and admiration for get no airplay whatsoever (with the only exception being classic rock artisits).

2. I don't find her music to be creative in comparison to the music I listen to.

3. I don't think she as anywhere near as much talent in either writing music/ preforming it as the classical composers I don't really know that much about, Miles Davis, Yngwie Malmsteen or Cliff Burton.

4. I find her voice annoying. Yngwie Malmsteen and Adele are (in my opinion) about equally creative. Yngwie's music sounds beutiful to my ear, Adele's sounds repitive and boring and sometimes repitive to the point of pain.

5. This is just my opinion, no one else shares my thoughts on Adele or music in general.

On a positive note for her, I do admire her for not using voice enhancing digital effects such as Auto Tune, and I respect her more then most pop stars, I just don't enjoy the sounds of her music.

Just remember, this is only my opinion. And I'm not in a Rock/Metal phase, I'm in a deeper musical phase. I don't really like simple music unless it sounds amazing, which it almost never does (to my hear). I love complicated music both as a challenge to learn, and something beutiful to listen to.
 
You wrote all that.. with Cliff Burton as your avatar. Metallica aren't exactly known for complexity. Honestly, I don't know how a pop song can get "complex"... Adele is the kind of stuff you sing along too, the stuff you sing at the bar on karaoke night.

I once thought that if the song wasn't 10 minutes long with odd time signatures and poly-rhythms it sucked. Now I listen to a genre of music that focuses highly on one drown out riff.

But saying a pop singer isn't good because her music lacks complexity, is like saying Hummers suck because they have terrible fuel consumption.

Besides Metallica is far more overrated then Adele. :yuck:
 
jcm
I also like classical and jazz music quite a lot, I simply don't have very good accsess to it (I do have a few Miles Davis albums though). I have tons of respect for these genres of music and love listening to them, I just don't have them on my Ipod. When I get money, they will be on my Ipod.

There's a few big reasons I say Adele is overrated.

1. She is played a lot on the radio, while the bands/artists I have the most respect and admiration for get no airplay whatsoever (with the only exception being classic rock artisits).
Airplay doesn't mean a damn thing in regard to is something is good, bad or indifferent.

When I was younger that you, Pink Floyd's The Wall was released and 'Brick (Pt2)' was played to death on the radio and TV. That doesn't make it either a bad track (better were on the album however), nor does it make Floyd overrated.

The biggest observation I can make from this is that one of the issues you have with Adele is that she gets more airplay that bands you believe should have it. That I'm afraid is not the fault of the artist, nor is it a measure of ability.


jcm
2. I don't find her music to be creative in comparison to the music I listen to.
I disagree. I've transcribed some of her work to guitar and played it, given that many of here tracks are deceptively complex, with changes to time signatures and key and some nice jazz based chord progressions I would say that actually have a good degree of complexity, its not in your face complexity, but it certainly exists within a good number of her tracks.


jcm
3. I don't think she as anywhere near as much talent in either writing music/ preforming it as the classical composers I don't really know that much about, Miles Davis, Yngwie Malmsteen or Cliff Burton.
See above and while I would agree that she is not in the same league as Miles Davis that's not exactly a huge surprise, very, very few are. Yngwie Malmsteen and Cliff Burton also aren't at Miles Davis' level in my opinion, that doesn't make the music they have made bad or overrated.


jcm
4. I find her voice annoying. Yngwie Malmsteen and Adele are (in my opinion) about equally creative. Yngwie's music sounds beutiful to my ear, Adele's sounds repitive and boring and sometimes repitive to the point of pain.
You do realise that the above and your last statement in part contradict each other, that said the main part of what you say I have no issue with.

Plenty of musicians I recognise as talented I don't enjoy listening to, once again that doesn't make they bad or overrated, it simply means they are not to my taste.


jcm
5. This is just my opinion, no one else shares my thoughts on Adele or music in general.
No, but discussing it's fun.


jcm
On a positive note for her, I do admire her for not using voice enhancing digital effects such as Auto Tune, and I respect her more then most pop stars, I just don't enjoy the sounds of her music.
This I have no issue with at all, I'm not saying that you should like her, simply disagreeing that she is overrated and/or bad.


jcm
Just remember, this is only my opinion. And I'm not in a Rock/Metal phase, I'm in a deeper musical phase. I don't really like simple music unless it sounds amazing, which it almost never does (to my hear). I love complicated music both as a challenge to learn, and something beutiful to listen to.
Sometimes simple sounding music is complex to learn and play, "Someone like you" uses some fairly standard chords, but at 60bpm, with two changes to time signatures and key its actually a challenge to play well. It requires either an acoustic or clean guitar sound and as such a single note or muddy chord stands out massively.

I would also strongly suggest some BB King as another example of this, as he is without a doubt one of the masters of great music coming from what you don't play as well as what you do play. His phrasing is simply genius in that regard.

For complex stuff if you have not yet comes across them I would also suggest Porcupine Tree, Tin Spirits (biased I know two members of the band) and Nick Cave.


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If we're talking Yngwie Malmsteen, a guitarist who taking influence from classical music came up with a bunch of licks and runs, then played the same thing over many albums spanning a career of nearly 30 years playing the same songs with the same solos and some hired guy singing some cheesy badly written vocals, sure.

Production wise his albums are no more well produced now than they were in the late 80s, sure his guitar sound has always been great and unique, but what was decent back then in terms of recording production is fairly outdated today. Basically the guy is still in 1986, still playing the same classical riffs.

Though fairplay to him, he is an awesomely skilled guitarist but a one trick pony. Though in the guitarist world he is a bit of a long running joke, while he has many fans he is not one of the more respected players or composers.


And none of that can in any way be compared to adele, a talented modern day female vocalist performing a completely different style of music to a completely different target audience.
 
Flat as in voice wise.

Why what were you thinking I meant? :odd:

Agreed.👍
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I used to like "He Won't Go"... but the repetitive plays got old.... and I stated to notice the mono-tone.

I want to jump off a building when she comes on.....:grumpy:
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I prefer her music to most other mainstream stuff they play on the radio these days. Not overrated, for sure, but multiple plays of Someone Like You certainly get very tiresome.
 
No doubt, she has a great voice, but it ends there. Her style isn't really anything new, kinda sounds like 30 Seconds to Mars and an American Idol competition shoved together. Her lyrics aren't that good either and after a while, you would think that a wolf is howling through your speakers. Your opinions? Am I just weird, or do you think she is overplayed and overrated?

No doubt, she has a great voice, but it ends there. Her style isn't really anything new, kinda sounds like 30 Seconds to Mars and an American Idol competition shoved together.

kinda sounds like 30 Seconds to Mars

kinda sounds like 30 Seconds to Mars

If I had Moderator powers I would ban you from the music section. Adele and 30STM are not even close to the same. Wow.
 
If I had Moderator powers I would ban you from the music section. Adele and 30STM are not even close to the same. Wow.

1) I haven't violated the AUP.
2) Its called opinion.
3) Opinion is highly reccomended to be respected.
4) I could say the same thing towards you.
5) Quoting something once is sufficient.
6) Listen to it. Doesn't it sound like 30STM even the slightest bit? I didn's say they were identical or anything. Listen closely to the vocals and how they're presented/ track structure/ organization.
 
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