Is the penalty sys favoring SA

[compaqrat]

I have notice the Daily race A seems to favor South American racers as far as penalty time is assessed. I have followed several SA racers and can see that no penalty assed for cutting corners and going off track. I am in the process of collecting screen shots and video. Update to follow.

 

[watto79]

Oh boy. This is a new one.

I have seen no evidence or claims that the penalty favours any nationality. I would have to ask why you think PD would do that? The penalty system DOES favour contact between a lower DR ranked player to a higher ranked player (@Sven4057 has a very good understanding of how this works).

What you are likely seeing is lag, so you cannot see a true representation of where their cars are going. Also it is possible when going off track to negate a penalty from triggering by coming off the throttle and re-entering the track at a slower pace. In those cases the game decides (correctly) that you didn't gain a time advantage so no penalty is given. That doesn't always work though.

 

[hairless_ape]

Oh, it's definitely favoritism. PD is being lenient with them on the corner cutting because they get so many punting penalties, and they'd never be able to finish a daily race before the lobby closed if they gave them track limit penalties as well.

(Psst, sarcasm)

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Yes and no. The penalty system gives the benefit of the doubt to laggy players. Or rather, what happens is that the other car lags into you on your screen, ergo contact, while the contact did not happen on the instigator's screen. You get penalized for something that did not happen.

As for short cuts etc, it just looks like they scrape the wall or take shortcuts. Forward prediction is far from perfect and every other car you see is not where they seem to be. The more lag the more inaccurate the placement of the other cars becomes.

Also lower DR and SR get away with more short cuts and wall bumps.
Shortcut penalties don't trigger as much at lower speeds.

The way to cheat at GTS is to delay your upstream data. Your car will drive erratically on other people's screens, ramming cars out of the way for you while you can drive normal as long as your downstream data is stable. My ISP was effed up for a day half a year ago or so with upload being borderline broken while downstream worked perfectly fine. Cars magically flew out of the way or went off track when I got near while I got the clean race bonus....

 

[golfer07840]

No favoritism, however, @Sven Jurgens is right. It's lag and God knows their internet is broken down there.

Actually, to be serious for a moment, I'm not sure if it's actually broken, or if it's simply because a lot of the players are from Brazil and if you look at a map, Brazil is literally halfway between New York and London (if you were to draw a line in the ocean) so their servers, trying to get to a North American server isn't easy I would imagine.

Funny, looking at that below, Brazil is literally in the middle of nowhere so to speak.

 

[compaqrat]

Oh boy. This is a new one.

I have seen no evidence or claims that the penalty favours any nationality. I would have to ask why you think PD would do that? The penalty system DOES favour contact between a lower DR ranked player to a higher ranked player (@Sven4057 has a very good understanding of how this works).

What you are likely seeing is lag, so you cannot see a true representation of where their cars are going. Also it is possible when going off track to negate a penalty from triggering by coming off the throttle and re-entering the track at a slower pace. In those cases the game decides (correctly) that you didn't gain a time advantage so no penalty is given. That doesn't always work though.

Thanks maybe I jumped the gun. Just looking wonky in race

Oh, it's definitely favoritism. PD is being lenient with them on the corner cutting because they get so many punting penalties, and they'd never be able to finish a daily race before the lobby closed if they gave them track limit penalties as well.

(Psst, sarcasm)

lol

No favoritism, however, @Sven Jurgens is right. It's lag and God knows their internet is broken down there.

Actually, to be serious for a moment, I'm not sure if it's actually broken, or if it's simply because a lot of the players are from Brazil and if you look at a map, Brazil is literally halfway between New York and London (if you were to draw a line in the ocean) so their servers, trying to get to a North American server isn't easy I would imagine.

Funny, looking at that below, Brazil is literally in the middle of nowhere so to speak.

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don't know what to say

 

[WheelmanSteve]

If the game cannot manage the lag, separate the regions or drop the connection. I've raced guys (not necessarily SA, often fellow NA region players) who hopped around the screen like a roach on a hot griddle. It's a PITA to try to avoid them without gong off yourself. I shouldn't have to take a DR or SR hit because someone's still on DSL. (Just being me is challenging enough...!)

 

[meekrab]

I have notice the Daily race A seems to favor South American racers as far as penalty time is assessed. I have followed several SA racers and can see that no penalty assed for cutting corners and going off track. I am in the process of collecting screen shots and video. Update to follow.

To give you a serious reply, the track limits at Fuji seem to be extremely lenient this week. I've gone off in multiple places where I would've assessed myself a penalty and not gotten one, and I fly the stars and bars. So it's not just one continent's drivers.

 

[golfer07840]

If the game cannot manage the lag, separate the regions or drop the connection. I've raced guys (not necessarily SA, often fellow NA region players) who hopped around the screen like a roach on a hot griddle. It's a PITA to try to avoid them without gong off yourself. I shouldn't have to take a DR or SR hit because someone's still on DSL. (Just being me is challenging enough...!)

If you're in NA and you're racing vs someone in NA and they are lagging like that, then they need to get off the Starbucks's wifi, cancel their AOL 56K service from 1998 and hardwire their PS4's to at the very least, a DSL connection. There is 0 excuse, this day in age, to be hopping around like that if you're in the same region.

 

[WheelmanSteve]

To Golfer07840- I agree, yet it happens. Hence my suggestion to separate the regions or match based on connectivity. I'd rather have clean hard race with 6 players than a lagfest with full grid.

 

[compaqrat]

To Golfer07840- I agree, yet it happens. Hence my suggestion to separate the regions or match based on connectivity. I'd rather have clean hard race with 6 players than a lagfest with full grid.

I would like to see connectivity ratio, DR and SR matched for races

If the game cannot manage the lag, separate the regions or drop the connection. I've raced guys (not necessarily SA, often fellow NA region players) who hopped around the screen like a roach on a hot griddle. It's a PITA to try to avoid them without gong off yourself. I shouldn't have to take a DR or SR hit because someone's still on DSL. (Just being me is challenging enough...!)

Same here. Retired though. Kinda rough grinding Monday morning to get beat down by Thursday afternoon on DR / SR

 

[kilesa4568]

There is 0 excuse, this day in age, to be hopping around like that if you're in the same region.

It's not always the end users fault. ISP's have issues too.

 

[GhostCaliber]

No favoritism, however, @Sven Jurgens is right. It's lag and God knows their internet is broken down there.

Actually, to be serious for a moment, I'm not sure if it's actually broken, or if it's simply because a lot of the players are from Brazil and if you look at a map, Brazil is literally halfway between New York and London (if you were to draw a line in the ocean) so their servers, trying to get to a North American server isn't easy I would imagine.

Funny, looking at that below, Brazil is literally in the middle of nowhere so to speak.

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Why don't they just have them on their own servers?

I know it'd fragment the player base more, but it's not exactly struggling... there's 100s if not 1000s of players that are regularly active in both the US and South American areas.

If you're in NA and you're racing vs someone in NA and they are lagging like that, then they need to get off the Starbucks's wifi, cancel their AOL 56K service from 1998 and hardwire their PS4's to at the very least, a DSL connection. There is 0 excuse, this day in age, to be hopping around like that if you're in the same region.

Just to contend this.

My internet is 250mbps d/l & 25mbps u/l also using a PS4 Pro with a samsung 860 evo 1tb ssd & I'm connected via ethernet.

But I never get green bars when I'm online, purely because I'm actually from the UK & live in the UK, but play on a US PSN account (because I have done for 10 years or so, buying games way cheaper digitally from the US).

Sometimes I even have a red bar connection! but that's pretty rare, it's usually yellow with 3 bars, purely because of the distance between me & the servers wherever they are in the US.

So even though they have the US flag, not everyone is from, or living there.

 

[Josa]

To Golfer07840- I agree, yet it happens. Hence my suggestion to separate the regions or match based on connectivity. I'd rather have clean hard race with 6 players than a lagfest with full grid.

Why don't they just have them on their own servers?

I know it'd fragment the player base more, but it's not exactly struggling... there's 100s if not 1000s of players that are regularly active in both the US and South American areas.

https://www.gtplanet.net/major-changes-coming-to-gran-turismos-sport-mode-this-month/
https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gtsport/news/00_3166549.html
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/oceania-now-split-from-asia-horrible-decision.383771/

The game started with 3 regions... Stayed that way for a whole year. Due to connections issues and timezones they separated CSA from NA and Oceania from Asia. After 1 month they decided to revert for the daily races due to the very low number of players in these races.

 

[golfer07840]

Why don't they just have them on their own servers?

I know it'd fragment the player base more, but it's not exactly struggling... there's 100s if not 1000s of players that are regularly active in both the US and South American areas.

My belief is because they like having it divided up as Europe, Asia and "The America's"

Just to contend this.

My internet is 250mbps d/l & 25mbps u/l also using a PS4 Pro with a samsung 860 evo 1tb ssd & I'm connected via ethernet.

But I never get green bars when I'm online, purely because I'm actually from the UK & live in the UK, but play on a US PSN account (because I have done for 10 years or so, buying games way cheaper digitally from the US).

Sometimes I even have a red bar connection! but that's pretty rare, it's usually yellow with 3 bars, purely because of the distance between me & the servers wherever they are in the US.

So even though they have the US flag, not everyone is from, or living there.

I get that. And I have 3 yellow when I visit the UK here in the U.S. (50 miles west of New York City).

However, As I stated earlier, in regards to BraIl (where most of the lag is coming from) they are basically in the middle of the Atlantic. I bet they'd have a better connection to the Euro servers than the ones here in North America.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Why don't they just have them on their own servers?

I know it'd fragment the player base more, but it's not exactly struggling... there's 100s if not 1000s of players that are regularly active in both the US and South American areas.

https://www.gtplanet.net/major-changes-coming-to-gran-turismos-sport-mode-this-month/
https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gtsport/news/00_3166549.html
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/oceania-now-split-from-asia-horrible-decision.383771/

The game started with 3 regions... Stayed that way for a whole year. Due to connections issues and timezones they separated CSA from NA and Oceania from Asia. After 1 month they decided to revert for the daily races due to the very low number of players in these races.

You did indeed get a lot more races with bigger SR mix to fill the rooms. However it was still a little better due to lower overall lag. There was still lag, and of course also still alt accounts from other regions lagging as much as before.

It was a choice between two evils, either laggy 'SR.S' players to fill the rooms as it is now, or SR.B players to fill the grid.

The annoying thing with SA is, that since I'm in Ontario Canada I would have less lag playing with the UK and mainland Europe than with Brazil. West coast USA has less lag with Japan than with Brazil. It's just too far. From Vancouver to Buenos Aires is 11,300 km in a straight line. The internet has to take many twists and turns to get there. I'm closer to pretty much all of Europe than to Brazil and Europe has much better internet as well.

 

[Granadier]

My belief is because they like having it divided up as Europe, Asia and "The America's"

That doesn't follow though since they already bucket them as "Europe, Middle East, Africa".

In my opinion ME+A should be have their server instances along with SA.

 

[O604]

Totally disagree.

95% (totally made up stat) of the drivers I race make an effort to be clean. All flags. Nothing I've seen leads me to believe drivers from any specific region are gaming track limits or going off track. Only videos I've seen of an individual being accused for repeated abuse is from EMEA region.

As for lag, I don't think it's always a distance or infrastructure thing. There's tons of factors. Like my ISP throttles (when they feel like it). I had to upgrade to get full green. Before that there were times I was red. Basically the lower internet package is calculated to be just not enough to game online and they want to bump gamers up to the next higher package.

In my experience it was laggy before the regions split. It has been better for me since it was grouped together again. I get equal US/Canada/Mexico flags with red or yellow and SA Brazil/Argentina/Chile. I've even been a room where I was the only Canadian, everyone else from the US and I was the only green.

 

[ASH32]

As said, it kind of does but only because it favours laggy drivers and in your region they'll be a lot from South America due to the distance between them and the server or the other drivers in the room. Unless you have the very best internet around most would lag with that kind of latency and that's before people start racing in other regions (although this can work fine sometimes), or race online with satellite internet and the like, which just spoils it for everyone else or just intentionally lag up their upload, which a very small number will do too.