Is tyre degradation so high in GT5 thats its unrealistic? PD read!

[atiger]

Not unrealistically fast because GT5 relies in real life data like whats been given in Le Mans. Its not fast but you have to re evaluate your settings. You can quote and say whatever as much as you want to complain and I'm telling you now that it wont change anything , GT5 will always rely in real life data , this is not Need For Speed but this is GT5 the real driving simulator.

So your saying that GT5 is 100% a real life simulator. I'd like to see evidence to back up your assertion. I think it's ridiculous, sorry.

 

[Padracer99]

So your saying that GT5 is 100% a real life simulator. I'd like to see evidence to back up your assertion. I think it's ridiculous, sorry.

I'm saying GT5's title is the real driving simulator and that's why they go by real life data.

 

[Disavowed]

You have to test on your own but avoid the settings close to the maximum because your car and tire can only allow what it can allow and having maximum settings can give excessive wear without the extra grip but even if you don't get the most efficient wearing, your pace should always be faster than someone who has a more efficient settings if your doing as well as the other driver but when you said 3 hours , I don't think only having 1 kind of compound all the time for a 3 hour race will be competitive because you have to look at your fuel and coming traffic , you have to know how your strategy is going to work. You won't need to look after traffic if you have ghost penalty. As long as you know you have the pace , you don't have to worry about others having a more efficient tire wear because then you'll have the pace making up for it anyway.

LoL! As it stands, the tires don't last long enough to get into trouble with lapping slower cars. Fuel? A set of RH will be long gone before you reach half tank. How many compounds do you need for a 3 hour race? Have you ever raced for real?

 

[llNovall]

Another possible answer or should i say thought is; Could GT5's tire wear fallen more in line with reality. More often than not, most people, especially online and using controllers, over drive the cars, diving hard and deep into turns, pushing hard around turns with the tires screaming, and full throttle blasts right past the apex. I have found when I'm driving this way to gain some ground on a lead car, my soft compound tires degrade rather quickly. However, if I drive within the limits of the tires and car, slow in fast out, smooth early braking on entry, maintaining a smooth corning line with a bit of scrub from the tires, and gradual throttle on exit, i can get the same tires to show little to no wear on a 6-7 lap race. This may be a little bit of "Days of Thunder" logic, but it seems to hold true. Over drive the soft tires, and theyre shredded after 7 laps; drive smooth and within the limits and you could probably get double the amount of laps. Also consider how you would drive a real car. This past summer i tried out and entered 3 autocross events with my Camaro on harder compound street radials. While my tires had some miles on them already and me being rather new and learing, they wore down significantly faster than i expected over the 3 events. I was over driving the car (braking late, pushing hard understeering into the corners and jumping hard on the gas on exit creating wheelspin) .......15 laps at below 60 mph and what was left of my tires were spent. I couldnt imagine road course time and the added wear it would have had much less in an actual race. Just my thoughts on the subject.

 

[Padracer99]

I have gathered some pitting stats from the 2011 24h LeMans race.

The winner, Audi R18 TDI completed 355 laps and did 31 pit stops. This makes an average of 11.45 laps between pits.

The Peugeot 908 did 355 laps with only 28 pits averaging on 12.67 laps between pits ol la sarthe.

And as I've said , pace will always make up for more wear.

 

[Padracer99]

LoL! As it stands, the tires don't last long enough to get into trouble with lapping slower cars. Fuel? A set of RH will be long gone before you reach half tank. How many compounds do you need for a 3 hour race? Have you ever raced for real?

Did I say a set of RH will be long gone before you reach half tank? I can answer your question for yourself , you haven't raced. And the traffic your going out with won't be always slow cars , it all depends on their strategy too and on tight circuits like Monaco even if the car is slower than you , its not easy.

 

[CSLACR]

You have to test on your own but avoid the settings close to the maximum because your car and tire can only allow what it can allow and having maximum settings can give excessive wear without the extra grip but even if you don't get the most efficient wearing, your pace should always be faster than someone who has a more efficient settings if your doing as well as the other driver but when you said 3 hours , I don't think only having 1 kind of compound all the time for a 3 hour race will be competitive because you have to look at your fuel and coming traffic , you have to know how your strategy is going to work. You won't need to look after traffic if you have ghost penalty. As long as you know you have the pace , you don't have to worry about others having a more efficient tire wear because then you'll have the pace making up for it anyway.

Why do I have to test on my own? I already have, on all settings, notice I have a link in my sig to testing results?

You want to convince the entire GT community that they all suck and you can make slicks last 3 hours in GT5, prove it. Otherwise it's a joke.

TBH I think it's just trolling though.

I have gathered some pitting stats from the 2011 24h LeMans race.

The winner, Audi R18 TDI completed 355 laps and did 31 pit stops. This makes an average of 11.45 laps between pits.

The Peugeot 908 did 355 laps with only 28 pits averaging on 12.67 laps between pits ol la sarthe.

They pit because they need fuel, not tires at Sarthe.

Duh.

Good luck reaching 12 laps in GT5 in a LMP on RH's, BTW. (Without drastically slowing yourself down over 24 hours)

 

[atiger]

So a set of Comfort Hards, which are supposedly equivalent to a road car tyre? Should last 25,000kms? I better get to testing. That's 1000 laps of Nurburg 24hr track.

 

[Padracer99]

Why do I have to test on my own? I already have, on all settings, notice I have a link in my sig to testing results?


They pit because they need fuel, not tires at Sarthe.

Duh.

Good luck reaching 12 laps in GT5 in a LMP on RH's, BTW. (Without drastically slowing yourself down over 24 hours)

I've reached 8 laps with RM.

Fuel stops are complex but when they stop they change tires too.

Usually teams are very professional on strategies so when the time has come they need fuel , the same time they would need tires too but fueling can be longer than the time it takes to change tires or drivers so its not a straight forward strategy.

 

[CSLACR]

I've reached 8 laps with RM.

And?

 

[Padracer99]

So a set of Comfort Hards, which are supposedly equivalent to a road car tyre? Should last 25,000kms? I better get to testing. That's 1000 laps of Nurburg 24hr track.

it should last for 200 laps if your driving at pedestrian speeds. ^^

 

[Jav]

Not unrealistically fast because GT5 relies in real life data like whats been given in Le Mans. Its not fast but you have to re evaluate your settings. You can quote and say whatever as much as you want to complain and I'm telling you now that it wont change anything , GT5 will always rely in real life data , this is not Need For Speed but this is GT5 the real driving simulator.

Ahahahahahahaha!!! Definitely a fanboy post and typical of you Rev... Dude, they messed up with this tire wear model. To the point wich is absolutely stupid! The only way they could've made this work was by leaving the softs alone and increasing the durability of the harder compounds, right now it simply is a joke!

 

[Padracer99]

Ahahahahahahaha!!! Definitely a fanboy post and typical of you Rev... Dude, they messed up with this tire wear model. To the point wich is absolutely stupid! The only way they could've made this work was by leaving the softs alone and increasing the durability of the harder compounds, right now it simply is a joke!

I'm not rev and they didn't mess up the tire strategy , its close to real life at least.

 

[Jav]

I have gathered some pitting stats from the 2011 24h LeMans race.

The winner, Audi R18 TDI completed 355 laps and did 31 pit stops. This makes an average of 11.45 laps between pits.

The Peugeot 908 did 355 laps with only 28 pits averaging on 12.67 laps between pits ol la sarthe.

And as I've said , pace will always make up for more wear.

Look up your stats again, they were double and triple stinting tires.

 

[CSLACR]

Ok, he's just trolling or a complete mental case.
Goodbye.

 

[Padracer99]

Ok, he's just trolling or a complete mental case.
Goodbye.

And your logging on and back on your other accounts.

 

[Padracer99]

Look up your stats again, they were double and triple stinting tires.

the 2011 Le Mans stats are close to GT5's now. If you have the correct settings for optimum wear and grip for endurance racing then your RH will last for 11-12 laps in GT5 with Peugeot 908 and R10 TDI would probably be similar.

 

[CSLACR]

And your logging on and back on your other accounts.

 

[llNovall]

So a set of Comfort Hards, which are supposedly equivalent to a road car tyre? Should last 25,000kms? I better get to testing. That's 1000 laps of Nurburg 24hr track.

You have to remember that tire wear ratings are based on normal operating conditions. If you took those tires out to a road course, mileage ratings go out the window. A friend of mine with a 99 corvette had a newer set of Nitto NT555's, a rather harder compound extreme performane tire with a 300 wear rating. He went to Summit point raceway in early summer for an open track session. After about 4 20 min track sessions (about 13-15 laps per session) he had a good 1/3 of his tires gone, and he wasnt anywhere near the cars full limits. Now consider a soft r-comp tire at its limits in an all out race, but still controlled, and you can imagine how much tire would be left.

 

[atiger]

it should last for 200 laps if your driving at pedestrian speeds. ^^

That's 5000kms from a set of tires. I'm glad my road car doesn't adhere to PD's reality, it'd cost me a fortune.

 

[CSLACR]

You have to remember that tire wear ratings are based on normal operating conditions. If you took those tires out to a road course, mileage ratings go out the window. A friend of mine with a 99 corvette had a newer set of Nitto NT555's, a rather harder compound extreme performane tire with a 300 wear rating. He went to Summit point raceway in early summer for an open track session. After about 4 20 min track sessions (about 13-15 laps per session) he had a good 1/3 of his tires gone, and he wasnt anywhere near the cars full limits. Now consider a soft r-comp tire at its limits in an all out race, but still controlled, and you can imagine how much tire would be left.

I would imagine LMP's run 3-4 times as many laps in real life on one set of tires as we can in GT5.

That's what I understand about the above lack of science. I understand what you're saying, but anything that slightly indicates anything other then GT5's tire wear being ridiculous is highly inaccurate.

 

[Jav]

Ok, he's just trolling or a complete mental case.
Goodbye.

Dude, what can be expected from a guy who's been banned 3 times already for this very reason?

I'm not rev and they didn't mess up the tire strategy , its close to real life at least.

LMAO!!! You are one srious mental case dude!

That's 5000kms from a set of tires. I'm glad my road car doesn't adhere to PD's reality, it'd cost me a fortune.

Lol!! Oh let me go to the supermarket, ops! I need new tires to get home!! Lol!!

 

[Padracer99]

Dude, what can be expected from a guy who's been banned 3 times already for this very reason?

I know you've been trying very hard against rev.

That's 5000kms from a set of tires. I'm glad my road car doesn't adhere to PD's reality, it'd cost me a fortune.

200 laps at nurburgring 24h at pedestrian speeds will do little , you can do 1000 laps then.
1000x25km = 25000 km

 

[CSLACR]

200 laps at nurburgring 24h at pedestrian speeds will do little , you can do 1000 laps then.

Would you like a calculator? 12.86 x 1000

 

[Padracer99]

Would you like a calculator? 12.86 x 1000

its 15.5miles or 25 km per lap.

 

[Jav]

I know you've been trying very hard against rev.

You really think we can't see trough yet another fake Psn account and GTP ID? Haven't you learned from your previous 3 bans?
And if you are not him, why defend a guy who has been banned not once, not twice but 3 times! Last time he created a third account to come here and agree with yourself, I mean himself!

 

[Padracer99]

You really think we can't see trough yet another fake Psn account and GTP ID? Haven't you learned from your previous 3 bans?
And if you are not him, why defend a guy who has been banned not once, not twice but 3 times! Last time he created a third account to come here and agree with yourself, I mean himself!

I'm not defending anyone but he knows what he does and his explanation was a fact anyway.

 

[Jav]

I'm not defending anyone but he knows what he does.

Ahahahaha!!! And whats that? Being mentally challenged?

 

[Padracer99]

Ahahahaha!!! And whats that? Being mentally challenged?

He's just being realistic , people wouldn't agree on things they can't do but its not easy , anyone involved in motorsports knows that.

 

[Jav]

He's just being realistic , people wouldn't agree on things they can't do but its not easy , anyone involved in motorsports knows that.

Knows what Rev? What tha hell are you talking about now?


Ohh! And note that I haven't reported you yet, just because I love having fun with you!