(ISC) // International Supercar Challenge (SERIES CANCELLED)

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Definitely looking forward to this 👍

Me too. 👍

Does this mean you guys are interested in joining? :) Because if you are, I'd be more than glad to put you down on the entrants list. By this I mean I would disregard the qualifier for you guys, as I know you two are definitely quick enough AFAIC

Same goes for a few others who have posted in this thread 👍
 
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Does this mean you guys are interested in joining? :) Because if you are, I'd be more than glad to put you down on the entrants list. By this I mean I would disregard the qualifier for you guys, as I know you two are definitely quick enough AFAIC

Same goes for a few others who have posted in this thread 👍

I'm in, thanks for the free pass :)
 
I'm interested too, this looks awesome. 👍 Never driven the SLS outside of the Merc challenge, but I don't think it should be too much of a problem. I think at least Turbo and maybe Wardez can vouch for my speediness. ;)

So on the spec sheet for the ZR-1 race, it has the mods that are not allowed, but using everything else would come out to wayyy over 680hp, so I'm guessing we can just do whatever we want to the car to get it to 680?
 
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So on the spec sheet for the ZR-1 race, it has the mods that are not allowed, but using everything else would come out to wayyy over 680hp, so I'm guessing we can just do whatever we want to the car to get it to 680?

You are supposed to equip the car with everything possible within the rules and then lower the horsepower with the engine limiter (or whatever it's called). You can also choose not to use some parts but that will cost you in torque, because the engine limiter system only reduces horsepower. Maximum torque is obtained only when all upgrades are used.

Everyone interested in giving the qualifier a shot, i'll be online and available for the next 2 hours.
 
I'm interested too, this looks awesome. 👍 Never driven the SLS outside of the Merc challenge, but I don't think it should be too much of a problem. I think at least Turbo and maybe Wardez can vouch for my speediness. ;)

I bought an SLS last night and installed a sport cat, sport filter, ecu tune and full suspension. Found a good tune and took the car out to the ring on the stock tires. Freakin' awesome. 👍

And I'll vouch for Mr Speedy here. :sly:
 
Does this mean you guys are interested in joining? :) Because if you are, I'd be more than glad to put you down on the entrants list. By this I mean I would disregard the qualifier for you guys, as I know you two are definitely quick enough AFAIC

Same goes for a few others who have posted in this thread 👍

Yeah man! If it is any consolation to you or anyone else, it took me about 8 or 9 laps to go under 2 minutes, and that was after a rather long hiatus, for me ;), and using a new wheel (the free one I received :D).
 
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Ummmm, yes please!! This looks awesome! Are all the races going to be on sport tires, or is it going to change with the car? As long as we don't get anything softer than race hards I'm totally in 👍

If anyone wants to vouch for my lack of slowness that would be cool :sly:

I don't mind running the qualifier either though...
 
I'm right there with you dudes! I am slow and will need to run the qualifier. Hopefully I don't pull a Roberto Guerrero!
 
Hey dudes, nice to see the interest is growing.👍

Further clarifications about the qualifying system should be posted in the next hours.

@JPzer: Nobody has qualified yet.
 
OK, I'm confused :confused:

Just purchased a new ZR1 since my other one is race modded. Added a bunch of parts (except muffler and transmission) and the specs are sitting at 725hp, 1300Kg (w/19Kg ballast) and 615pp with the aero set to 0/20.

This doesn't match with the specs in the race 1 post for some reason, perhaps because I didn't put stage 3 engine or weight reduction on? Is the room going to be set by PP or weight/hp?
 
OK, I'm confused :confused:

Just purchased a new ZR1 since my other one is race modded. Added a bunch of parts (except muffler and transmission) and the specs are sitting at 725hp, 1300Kg (w/19Kg ballast) and 615pp with the aero set to 0/20.

This doesn't match with the specs in the race 1 post for some reason, perhaps because I didn't put stage 3 engine or weight reduction on? Is the room going to be set by PP or weight/hp?

As i mentioned before,you need to use the engine limiter to cut down some power in order to get to 680 hp.

As for the room ,i'm not sure, but as long as we have the same mods and full aero it won't matter so don't worry about that.
 
Sign me up for now, let me know what I need to do.

Cool to see you back playing. Must've been training hard '80s montage style lately xD

And man, you're going to Silverstone - I'd say "free pass."

Egg, JP, Brosif, RT, Denilson, Pierre.

All my friends are piling in woot woot.
 
Am I the only one who thinks these "free pass" guys should have to qualify just the same as us mortals?
 
Yea, after thinking it over and listening to Tony's suggestions, I think it's only fair to force everyone to qualify in order to obtain entrance...hand picking drivers doesn't seem like the right thing to do since the qualifier was intended to serve a purpose. With that said I'll post some dates later tonight as to when I can hold qualifying sessions, as well as a list of the tentative entrants. It would be nice if we could get some decent groups together to do qualifying sessions, so that it doesn't take up to much of the organizers time :)


Hopefully you guys understand where I'm coming from 👍 Not that I doubt some of you guys can't qualify...I just think there needs to be some unity and firmness in the entry requirements so that it's fair for all.

OK, I'm confused :confused:

Just purchased a new ZR1 since my other one is race modded. Added a bunch of parts (except muffler and transmission) and the specs are sitting at 725hp, 1300Kg (w/19Kg ballast) and 615pp with the aero set to 0/20.

This doesn't match with the specs in the race 1 post for some reason, perhaps because I didn't put stage 3 engine or weight reduction on? Is the room going to be set by PP or weight/hp?

I'm planning to set up the room with weight/hp as the parameters.

TBH, I'm not sure why there is a discrepancy between my hp level (680) & PP level (615) and yours. I'll double check just to make sure, but I'm 99% positive I was at 615PP with the HP reduced to 680hp, S3 tires, aero @ 0/20 and weight to 1300kg (with the list of mods). Maybe you can double check yours as well 👍

On another note - I really would rather avoid allowing the Stage 1/2/3 engine mods, but I've done this just so people don't have to buy new cars in the case that they have already boughten these mods (as they can't be removed). On cars like the ZR1, once the car is nearly fully modded the power levels become pretty absurd when unrestricted. But once you start applying the power limiter the problem is that only the HP is affected for the most part, so you are left with an engine that has a really lumpy (diesel like) and unrealistic powerband once the hp is restricted. With that said, I might do some minor revisements to the vehicle spec sheet for Round 1. I might ban a few items that can be removed such as the aftermarket supercharger, intake manifold & filter to try and get TQ levels down to a more reasonable level (I was at 801 the other day :crazy: with 680hp).

The only problem that we run into with this is that there is no way to police most of these requirements, so it is possible for those who lack integrity to run these parts and have a TQ advantage. I will make my mind up on this in the next day or two after doing some more testing 👍
 
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Ok, cool. 👍

The qualifier is actually way harder than I expected. After running 140hp Miatas exclusively for almost a month, the SLS is quite a switch. :crazy:
 
Hehe...Good luck 👍

Wait until you jump in the Round 1 ZR1. Not only do you need to be on your absolute toes at all times, you must also consider tire management to a large degree and prevent yourself from overdriving the car too much. I hope people don't get too intimidated with the first combo though. The future rounds will likely be a fair bit easier though 👍 Round 1 will just be tough as this car has massive torque levels and is capable of some pretty nutty speeds on this rather technical and twisty track.
 
Yeah, gonna be fun for sure. Are there any plans of running a stock-ish car in the future? Fully modding a street car then putting it on sports tires seems a bit overkill to me. Awesome, fun, but overkill. :lol:
 
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Well a lot of the cars we will be using will have much more manageable powerbands than the ZR1 fortunately, and generally have more outright grip on S3's. At the end of the day we're just trying to do what we feel is the most realistic in terms of cornering speeds/performance. In all honesty the cornering speeds start becoming a bit ludicrous IMO once R1's go on the car...not to mention that I think the S3's have better and more realistic feel through the wheel.

I actually was contemplating putting R1's on for this first round and bumping the weight up slightly, but Tony really wanted to stick with S3's for the ultimate challenge :dopey: Personally I prefer the S3's for a number of reasons, but I will say the durability of them sucks once you start putting them on such cars like the Round 1 ZR1, which has a ton of power and relatively little DF. It's too bad there's not a tire between a S3 and R1...because IMO that would be perfect. Anyway, If people are finding the first round to be just too damn difficult in testing, we may end up switching to R1's (just for this round) to try and get everyone on a bit more of a even playing field in terms of pace.

It would be nice to get some peoples thoughts on this.
 
We used R1's for the Lexus RM cup, and that car was a handful. Mostly understeer, but sometimes snap oversteer would come into play as well. Guess it depends on the car. We're using R1's in the FM Cup on the GT Class cars, and even though they are super light cars, it doesn't seem like too much grip. I'm having trouble keeping the back end in place in certain corners. I think for using Racing tires, R1's are usually the highest I'll go.

I've only purchased R3's on one of my cars (Ford Lightning) and just used them to see how fast I could get a truck to go around the 'Ring. Everything else in my garage is Sports or R1.
 
Well maybe some of you can give the Round 1 combo a try when you get a chance and give me your opinion on whether you think we should use S3's or R1's. I know from my time testing with Tony that a 1'50.xxx (probably woudl only see a low 51 in qualy though) is certainly possible with S3's, and the top guys will be able to deliver at a pretty consistant level throughout the race (probably within .5-1 second of the tires limit on that particular lap) without any major mistakes.

What I don't want this becoming is a case where half the field are having major offs every other lap, missing braking zones and taking out 2 cars ahead, or just being 2 seconds a lap off pace not having any fun at all. Also as I said before, tire wear and the ability to preserve them while putting good laps in is crucial atm (with the current Round 1 settings). Even if you have the pace to put in a good lap in qualy, if your driving style is one where you have a tendency of overcooking the tires you will be in BIG trouble once you are a couple of laps into the stint.

Certainly the men are seperated from the boys with the current Round 1 combo :crazy: :scared: :lol: At the end of the day I really want to promote some good racing most importantly...not just a test to find out who the best driver is with little racing involved or and an excercise which is too dependent on tire management skills.
 
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Regarding the ZR1. You could remove the turbo or engine upgrades from the list. Because they are easy to spot on replays. This is to keep the tourqe numbers down. I totally agree that the car got to much tourqe on the low rpm's.. Shifts won't be as important. On the other hand, you would'nt need to shift that often in a stock ZR1 either for that matter, nor the ACR Viper. A lot of american supercars use a lot of volume to keep maintanance and durability at decent levels. On the other hand, you got the 458 Ferrari with 560 hp from a 4,5 liter engine. To get that amout of hp from such a small engine you need the engine to be able to rew extremely high (for a road going car). As we all know: tourqe * revs = power, POWER is what moves your car. To get a lot of power from an engine with low rpm's, you need tourqe. So in other words, the bigger the volume the less important the gearchoice gets. Compare this with an F1 engine in the middle of the 90's that produced around 800-850 hp from a 3,5 liter engine.. How is this possible?? To get that amout of HP (power) from a 3,5 liter engine you need to make it rev high.. I think the revlimiter on the mid 90's F1's was around 19-20000 rpm's. And on a side note, the tourqe from this F1 engine was not greater than 300 Nm, which is about the same as you get from your everyday car. On the otyher hand, you got the american supercars ZR1 and ACR with a 6,2 l engine producing 638 hp with the help of a compressor and for the ACR a 8,4 l engine that produces 600 hp. If you compare the HP/l you can clearly see what an achievment ferrari did.

Ferrari 458: 560/4,5=125 hp/liter
Corvette ZR1: 638/6,2=103 hp/liter (with a compressor)
Viper ACR: 600/8,4=71hp/liter

To create an engine that produces more than 100hp/liter without a turbo or supercharger is a real achievment. An example, the BMW M3 E46 produces 343 hp from a 3,4 liter engine. making the hp/l end up at 100,8. Or the E60 M5 with a 5 l engine producing 507 hp ends up at 101,4. When looking at these numbers, Ferrari has done an exeptional achievment with the 458. On the down side, the owner need to spend huge amounts of money on maintainance.

I really like cars with less tourqe and more revs. I think they are much more fun to drive. With this said, I'd suggest you remove all upgrades that can be policed and see if you coud get the tourqe numbers down.

And regarding the choice of tyres. S3 is (if you compare the skid pad tests) almost race tyre performance. S2 would simulate something like TOYO888's or Michelin PILOT SPORT CUP which are road leagal slicks. The S1's would be more like the most expensive high performance road tyre. Something like the Bridgestone POTENZA or Michelin PILOT SPORT II. But since GT5 does not calculate tyre with when grip is calculated, the choice of tyre could for a car like the ZR1 jump up a step on the latter. If a ZR1 is delivered from the factory with something similar to S1's, the with of the tyres (which is not calculated in GT5) could make the realistic choice in GT5 be an S2 tyre. If you add that we tune the car, I'd say that the S3 is perfect. 👍

Oh, my god... Wall of post. :)
 
Even if you have the pace to put in a good lap in qualy, if your driving style is one where you have a tendency of overcooking the tires you will be in BIG trouble once you are a couple of laps into the stint.

And that would be me. :lol:

I'm not saying to change tires, in fact I hate race tires. I could count on one hand the number of street cars I have that have slicks on them. I'm fine with the power, just wondering if it will be this insane the whole time.
 
Well maybe some of you can give the Round 1 combo a try when you get a chance and give me your opinion on whether you think we should use S3's or R1's.

I did a few laps with this combo earlier. The first 2 laps were hell, but once I came to grips ;) with how much power it had it became very fun.
I'd say S3's are fine. 👍
 
Regarding the ZR1. You could remove the turbo or engine upgrades from the list. Because they are easy to spot on replays. This is to keep the tourqe numbers down. I totally agree that the car got to much tourqe on the low rpm's.. Shifts won't be as important. On the other hand, you would'nt need to shift that often in a stock ZR1 either for that matter, nor the ACR Viper. A lot of american supercars use a lot of volume to keep maintanance and durability at decent levels. On the other hand, you got the 458 Ferrari with 560 hp from a 4,5 liter engine. To get that amout of hp from such a small engine you need the engine to be able to rew extremely high (for a road going car). As we all know: tourqe * revs = power, POWER is what moves your car. To get a lot of power from an engine with low rpm's, you need tourqe. So in other words, the bigger the volume the less important the gearchoice gets. Compare this with an F1 engine in the middle of the 90's that produced around 800-850 hp from a 3,5 liter engine.. How is this possible?? To get that amout of HP (power) from a 3,5 liter engine you need to make it rev high.. I think the revlimiter on the mid 90's F1's was around 19-20000 rpm's. And on a side note, the tourqe from this F1 engine was not greater than 300 Nm, which is about the same as you get from your everyday car. On the otyher hand, you got the american supercars ZR1 and ACR with a 6,2 l engine producing 638 hp with the help of a compressor and for the ACR a 8,4 l engine that produces 600 hp. If you compare the HP/l you can clearly see what an achievment ferrari did.

Ferrari 458: 560/4,5=125 hp/liter
Corvette ZR1: 638/6,2=103 hp/liter (with a compressor)
Viper ACR: 600/8,4=71hp/liter

To create an engine that produces more than 100hp/liter without a turbo or supercharger is a real achievment. An example, the BMW M3 E46 produces 343 hp from a 3,4 liter engine. making the hp/l end up at 100,8. Or the E60 M5 with a 5 l engine producing 507 hp ends up at 101,4. When looking at these numbers, Ferrari has done an exeptional achievment with the 458. On the down side, the owner need to spend huge amounts of money on maintainance.

I agree that 4.5 liter V8 in the 458 Italia is quite impressive, particularly in it's hp per liter output...and the sound can't be beat IMO :drool: But when you get down to it hp per liter is rather meaningless in the whole scheme of things, when it comes to outright performance. For example, the LS7 in the C6 Z06 might be 7.0 liters and produce 500hp (very mildly tuned from the factory), but it is really similar in phsyical dimension and weight to the 4.5 liter V8 found in the Ferrari or the 4.0 S65 V8 in the newest M3...due to the fact the LS7 is pushrod layout and doesn't have the added weight and complexity that comes along with a DOHC arrangement. Also, the tractability/powerband is extremely useable with the LS7 and the fuel economy is just as good if not better with the LS7 than the smaller DOHC V8's. Of course maintnance cost and modifying cost are also much cheaper as you know. Also you can get 650rwhp (~750hp) normally aspirated out of the LS7 on pump gas with heads/cams and full bolt ons...which is incredible impressive for a motor of it's size and weight. That would impossible to achieve with the Ferrari or BMW motor in normally aspirated form (on 91 octane at least) which are of basically the same physical dimension and weight of the LS7.

Another extremely impressive engine is the 1000cc inline 4 in BMW's new street bike the S1000rr. I've seen them dyno 190rwhp (200+ at the flywheel) bone stock on 91 octane! That's 200+ hp per liter on pump gas! From what I've heard BMW used a lot of experience from F1 when they designed the head on this motor...so it's no wonder it is so impressive :crazy:

Ok, this car nut is done going off topic :lol:

really like cars with less tourqe and more revs. I think they are much more fun to drive. With this said, I'd suggest you remove all upgrades that can be policed and see if you coud get the tourqe numbers down.

And regarding the choice of tyres. S3 is (if you compare the skid pad tests) almost race tyre performance. S2 would simulate something like TOYO888's or Michelin PILOT SPORT CUP which are road leagal slicks. The S1's would be more like the most expensive high performance road tyre. Something like the Bridgestone POTENZA or Michelin PILOT SPORT II. But since GT5 does not calculate tyre with when grip is calculated, the choice of tyre could for a car like the ZR1 jump up a step on the latter. If a ZR1 is delivered from the factory with something similar to S1's, the with of the tyres (which is not calculated in GT5) could make the realistic choice in GT5 be an S2 tyre. If you add that we tune the car, I'd say that the S3 is perfect. :tup

You seem to have a pretty good idea of what I'm going for :) I wanted something that would give the cornerning speed levels of something similar to a Hoosier R1 DOT slick (the next level above a Toyo R888 or Michelin PSC). I figure that no one in real life would be putting on a full blown racing slick from a GT1 car onto their tuned ZR1 lol. However, I will say that even though the cornerning speeds and achieveable G forces of the S3's are pretty similar to what you would get in real life with a Hoosier R1....they still feel too greasy (more so at low speeds) in general IMO...but I think that's just a deeper issue with the complexities of the tire model and weight transfer in the game though.. I won't even get into tire logenvity either...

And that would be me. :lol:

I'm not saying to change tires, in fact I hate race tires. I could count on one hand the number of street cars I have that have slicks on them. I'm fine with the power, just wondering if it will be this insane the whole time.

For the most part the other rounds won't be quite this bad (the torquey American cars will probably be the worst) :lol: The 458 and LFA will be quite easy and nice to drive and then of course the AWD cars (GTR and Gallardo) will be fairly easy as well on S3's...the Mclaren is another beast though. With that said, I'm really starting to consider restricting most of the engine mods in an attempt to reduce torque levels, which will generally make the cars more easy and realistic to drive.

Of course the downside to this is that you can't remove the stage 1/2/3 mods which makes things a pita (for those who have already installed such mods) and also harder to police.

I did a few laps with this combo earlier. The first 2 laps were hell, but once I came to grips ;) with how much power it had it became very fun.
I'd say S3's are fine. 👍

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Ok, cool. 👍

The qualifier is actually way harder than I expected. After running 140hp Miatas exclusively for almost a month, the SLS is quite a switch. :crazy:

lol yeah, my best has been a 1:59.2xx so far, but im still not that consistant, ill do a few laps tonight.
 
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