Islam - What's your view on it?
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Now overlay this map with the map of suicide terrorist attacks
You can generate one from The Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism (CPOST) which maintains a searchable database on all suicide attacks from 1982 through June 2016.
http://cpostdata.uchicago.edu/search_new.php
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If you hate murderers are you considered a murderphobic? 
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Which people?
Weasel words are used far too often in threads like these; this time I'd like to see the evidence of what these people said (and preferably, why I should care about who they are and what they're saying).
Are the people crying Islamophobia also the same people who always say ISIS has nothing to do with Islam?
Oh, the double standards.
Wouldn't mind seeing the evidence of the double standard you've claimed to have found, too.
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None of the criticisms in that article mention Islamophobia, they only say it was distasteful in one form or another (apart from the first which I'll come back to) . Unless you assume that the only reason someone could find the sketch distasteful was because it was Islamophobic - which I'd disagree with - I don't see those criticisms as evidence for your claim.
The first one though at least brought race and religion into it, so I'll give you that one and assume they were implying Islamophobia:
So going to the second part of my post, why should I care about who this one person on Facebook is (I'm not even told their their name) and what they've said?
Thanks for posting your source though, it's appreciated - I'd be very grateful if @Carbonox could now follow suit and post the source for his claim......
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This thread:
I wonder which side feels foolish
I wonder which side feels foolish
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It'd be great if everyone thought like this when someone posts their emotionally loaded outrage in public, but unfortunately* opinions like that tend to gain quite a following on social media.
What's there to add? The people outraged about this show are more or less the same ones who would be the first to deny any connection between ISIS and Islam. It's just that it doesn't work both ways - if ISIS, who are the only party mocked in the show, aren't representative of Islam, there's literally no way it could be "Islamophobic" (a pseudo-word I would like to see die**).
* Yes, I posted that word earlier in the Words I Hate thread. Don't bite.
** Hopefully I won't get warned again, since wanting a word to die probably also means wanting the people using it to die, or something.
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And?
What's to add?What's there to add? The people outraged about this show are more or less the same ones who would be the first to deny any connection between ISIS and Islam. It's just that it doesn't work both ways - if ISIS, who are the only party mocked in the show, aren't representative of Islam, there's literally no way it could be "Islamophobic" (a pseudo-word I would like to see die**).
* Yes, I posted that word earlier in the Words I Hate thread. Don't bite.
** Hopefully I won't get warned again, since wanting a word to die probably also means wanting the people using it to die, or something.
A shred of evidence to back up your claim.
'Because I say so' doesn't cut it, yet that's effectively what you are trying to do.
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What? "more or less", "would be" - I didn't ask for a description of people you think exist, I asked for evidence of the people who actually exist that showed the double standards you claimed...... @PeterJB had no trouble doing so for his claim (even if I have issues with it), I don't see why you can't either (unless this is evidence you do not have and you've literally invented people in your own head to make a point - which would be misleading and ridiculous).
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My take?.... Humour can be incredibly valuable in breaking down boundaries. Strange as it might seem on first consideration though, for me the problem here is that it's not making fun of people I want to be friends with. I don't want to break down boundaries with IS. I don't want to be back slapping them and saying "Ha, you crazy suicide bombing rascals, you.", with one of them quipping back "Hey, I've seen your music collection. You know how our lot like to blow up idolised ancient relics, right?". It's the misplaced version of the humour us Aussies inherited from the Brits, and ran with. It's had some great success - but with the tv show in question, success would be a failure.
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The post wasn't exactly definite in the first place, was it?
Well, it's making fun of the enemy. I think it could lighten up the feelings of quite a few people now that the war against said enemy is still raging.
Which saying that I do wish Islamic countries and prominent clerics to be more open minded. Even Catholic is more open thanks to the beloved Pope Benedict we have today.
Mind you though, its a different story when concerning muslim people. What if I told you alot of those people even disagreed with their clerics most of the time on some things.
And all of Ku Klux Clan are Christians. Its a flawed logic in the end.
Extremism/hard fundamentalism hurts regardless of religion.
We'll see and hope. Just remember though a couple of extreme minority doesn't represent entire thing. Which is why I slightly agree on tight up the border. However it should apply to all people, not based on certain religion or any personal properties.Don't count on other states to solve the middle east or muslimic problems, IMHO it might get better if religious and political power will be completely separated, but looking back in history i guess it will take a long time and many lives.
I do feel bad to both Americans/Europeans who feel threatened from this terror fiasco and Moslems who have to be represented this way in front of, basically, the world.
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If you hate murderers are you considered a murderphobic?
No, not if your hatred didn't include a fear if them (which would be homocidophobia or thanataphobia)
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It's very easy to blame things on a 'group' of whatever, I hate liberals no, I hate conservatives. Wait a sec the bloody christians are to blame but let's not forget about those pesky jews, hold on hold on hold on I almost forgot what color your skin was.
It's the action that holds importance, labels are silly and it's silly to expect people of any kind to explicitly denounce a part of their kind doing wrong. Wrong is wrong and we all know that, easy peasy.
The parody might ease tensions or it might not, I'm quite sure there was no intention of worsening a damn thing.
It's the action that holds importance, labels are silly and it's silly to expect people of any kind to explicitly denounce a part of their kind doing wrong. Wrong is wrong and we all know that, easy peasy.
The parody might ease tensions or it might not, I'm quite sure there was no intention of worsening a damn thing.
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Do we as in the U.S. simply like Saudi Arabia for oil, or is there more to it? I think this is a decent piece worth a watch.
Have discos
There is a guy around 20' who knows what he is speaking of, only takes a few minutes to see his point.
31'30 is a good place to watch.
Have discos
There is a guy around 20' who knows what he is speaking of, only takes a few minutes to see his point.
31'30 is a good place to watch.
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The point was we are constantly reminded of how bad the Empire was, and even blamed for how backwards the ME can be:
http://www.hoover.org/research/truth-about-western-colonialism
And as for applying it to any country, faith or ideology, that may be true of time past - but there's one ideology/faith that has a monopoly on it in the present day.
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My post and the article used to source it was not about Empire at all, as a good number of countries that the UK has invaded or been at war with never formed part of the Empire.
Nor did I state a position on the pros and cons of it at all, as such your link missed the point totally.
The point was that map showing how something has spread, influenced or been in conflict is not an indicator of the merits or issues with the institution in question at all.
Oddly you did with your initial post exactly what you are now using a source to complain about. Happy to point out that historical Western Empires should be judged fairly and without automatic bias, yet that's exactly what you did in regard to Middle Eastern Empires!
Now a question in regard to the West having a part in how bad the ME? Do you think that British support of the birth of Saudi Arabia and Israel not a contributor to the current situation? What about the invasion of Iraq or the CIA and British Intelligence services role in overthrowing a democratically elected leader, installing a puppet ruler and then sitting back as it resulted in an extremist coup in Iran?
Now I personally would never state these were the only factors, but they certainly are strong contributors to the current situation.
Now as far as the contemporary status of any group, I've already covered that, and you don't have to wait long in historical terms for the situation to change.
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Pretty much all of the Country line drawing in the middle east is indirectly the British empires fault for todays issues though.
None of it was drawn up according to what kind of people are living in that area but rather how the British wanted to group them, the Kurds are probably the ones that got the most screwed over, as well as not spliting the Sunni and Shia factions which is creating Massive issues today.
None of it was drawn up according to what kind of people are living in that area but rather how the British wanted to group them, the Kurds are probably the ones that got the most screwed over, as well as not spliting the Sunni and Shia factions which is creating Massive issues today.
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Wouldn't that just be insisting that they need to be treated like children? That they are incapable of the maturity required to co-exist, and must be separated?
If Australia was to be split up, what people would you be incompatible with? I'm going to think, none, by default. That's showing due respect to you, as a fellow human.
Note - that, logically excludes taking issue with being divided based on character traits. I'm certainly not putting my hand up to live in South East Bogantown - but Muslim, Chinese, gay, black, tall, whatever - I'm not incompatible with any of those people by default, and I would be insulted if someone presumed me to be.
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You would think but Australia seems to be free of most it, for now atleast.
But everyone is new here so conflicts haven't really had much time to materialise if they will.
Alot of the Cuture Conflicts in the Middle East on the other hand, have been going longer then Australia has existed.
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Because they made the Country lines, I did say this from an hindsight point of view.
The country lines made it worse as before they where all in their own area, the country lines forced them into zones, the Kurds are the ones most victim to this, they where promised their own Country but they didn't get one and instead where split up to Eastern Turkey, Western Iran and Northern Syria and Iraq, and all 4 countries have had bad history with them at some point, alot of which could of been resolved if they had a country.
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Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it? If the Kurds had been given some territory, someone else would probably have been mad/jealous/envious and you could have ended up in worse position than you are now. Given the divisions already in the region that have existed for centuries, all we can really say is that things might have been different given different territorial boundaries, but we can't say with any certainty it would have been better or worse.
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If borders would make such a positive difference it makes one wonder why it's not been done.
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