Which is exactly why I said that overall terrorism in Europe is at a lower level than in was in the 60s' and '70's, and by quite a margin. Something you seem to want to gloss over totally.
Not gloss over but....why are we talking about terrorism again? And why say the '60s when your source begins from 1970?
Scaff
Interestingly the only way you manage that is via cherry-picking data, so as that's now a door you opened, remember that the last person to carry out a terrorist attack (and a political assassination at that) in the UK was a White Nationalist. The last terrorist group prescribed in the UK was a Christian Neo-Nazi group who were carrying out pro-Christian, anti-Semitic, homophobic and racists campaigns. The largest terrorist attack in the Scandinavian region was carried out by a Christian Neo-Nazi. That the German police have foiled countless Neo-Nazi terror attacks, the latest of which was in progress with the two suspects arrested with over 150 kilos of explosives.
You need to re-evaluate your usage of the words "cherry-picking" I think! I said:
"Your other source has a graph showing an upward trend since 2004, largely due to Islamic terrorism."
A statement borne out from....your source.
And then proceed to present data
that is cherry-picked to highlight the Far Right!
Namely:
- remember that the last person to carry out a terrorist attack (and a political assassination at that) in the UK was a White Nationalist.
OK, and seeing as we don't generally go by trends that use an index case as being the only example let's look at say the past decade of attacks carried out/foiled and we get:
Carried out:
- 2007 January–February: Miles Cooper letter bomb campaign.
- 2007 30 June: Glasgow International Airport attack perpetrated by Islamist extremists.
- 2008 22 May: Exeter attempted bombing in a café toilet by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.
- 9 April 2013: Pavlo Lapshyn attacks. Lapshyn, a Ukrainian student and right-wing extremist, stabbed Mohammed Saleem, a Birmingham resident to death. He later admitted to police that he wished to start a "race war".[28] Lapshyn later detonated a home-made bomb outside a mosque in Walsall on 21 June. 150 homes were evacuated but no person was injured.[28] On 28 May Lapshyn detonated a second home-made bomb near a mosque in Wolverhampton, and attacked a mosque in Tipton with an improvised explosive device containing nails on 12 July. Friday prayers were delayed that day, and so his intended victims were still inside. Laphsyn was later sentenced to serve a minimum of 40 years.[29][30][31]
- 22 May 2013: A British soldier, Lee Rigby, was murdered in an attack in Woolwich by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, two Islamist extremists armed with a handgun and a number of bladed implements. Both men were sentenced to life imprisonment, with Adebolajo given a whole life order and Adebowale ordered to serve at least 45 years.[32]
- 5 December 2015: Three people are stabbed at Leytonstone tube station in east London, with one person suffering severe knife injuries; police subsequently announced that they were treating the stabbings as a 'terrorist incident'.[33] Video footage emerged following the stabbing of the attacker repeatedly shouting "this is for Syria", in reference to the Royal Air Force's bombing of the Islamic State in Syria, which had commenced on 3 December after parliamentary approval.[34]
- 16 June 2016. Labour MP Jo Cox, aged 41, was killed by right-wing extremist, Thomas Mair, 52 who shouted "Britain First" during the attack. Cox was fatally shot and stabbed outside the library in Birstall, West Yorkshire, where she was about to hold a constituency surgery at 1:00 pm. A 77-year-old local man, Bernard Kenny, was stabbed in the stomach while trying to fend off her attacker. The trial judge described it as an "act of terror".
Note this also doesn't include the massacare of 30 British nationals in Tunisia by a member of the "Religion of Peace"
Foiled:
- 2007 1 February: Plot to behead a British Muslim soldier.
- 2007 29 June: London car bombs.
- 2008 27 February: British police thwarted a suspected plot to kill Abdullah of Saudi Arabia during a state visit to Britain in the year 2007 a senior officer said.
- 2009 3 September : Manchester Piccadilly multiple suicide bomber plot.[37] In 2009 Pakistani national Abid Naseer, was one of 12 suspects arrested on suspicion of being part of a Manchester Terror cell, after arriving in the UK a year before. All were released on insufficient evidence, but ordered to be deported from the UK. Naseer's deportation to Pakistan was prevented on human rights grounds, as he was ruled 'likely to be mistreated'. In 2013, on further evidence from Al-Queda sources, including documents from the bin Laden Raid, he was extradited to the US, and on 4 March 2015 was found guilty of masterminding an Al-Queda directed plot to synchronize multiple suicide bombings around Manchesters Arndale Centre and Piccadilly Shopping centre in a coordinated attack involving other locations including the New York Subway with other cells.
- 2012 June: Five extremists plotted to bomb an English Defence League rally in Dewsbury but arrived late and were arrested when returning to Birmingham. A sixth was also convicted.[38]
- 2013 April: As part of Operation Pitsford 11 Muslim extremists are jailed for a plotting terror attack involving suicide Bombers.[39]
- 2015 12 Feb : Liverpool Ricin Plot:[40] Mohammed Ammar Ali, an I.T. worker who rented a flat in Liverpool as a base of operations, attempted to buy 500 mg of Ricin, which could kill as many as 1,400 people, using the darkweb. He was instead delivered a white powder by the FBI. Evidence was also found of attempts to purchase rabbits or chinchillas to test the poison out on.
- 2015 7 July : Attempted anniversary London 7/7 bomb plot.[41] Mohammed Rehman and Sana Ahmed Khan were found guilty of possession of 10 kg of Urea Nitrate. Rehman called himself the 'silent bomber' and asked his Twitter followers to choose between the Westfield Shopping Centre or the London Underground for the planned suicide bomb.
And that's not even an exhaustive list of foiled attacks...
- The last terrorist group prescribed in the UK was a Christian Neo-Nazi group who were carrying out pro-Christian, anti-Semitic, homophobic and racists campaigns
By this you are talking about
National Action.
I control-F this article:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/get-hope/issue18/young-nazi-and-dangerous/ for "Christian", googled "National Action Christian" and came up with nada. But if you want to say that they are Christian or that
any denomination of Christianity would even associate them then, well go ahead I guess!
And just so the ladies and gentlemen know about why I throwback the accusation of cherry picking, here is the list of proscribed terrorist organisations:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ment_data/file/578385/201612_Proscription.pdf
If I just use groups beginning with "A" we come up with this list:
- The largest terrorist attack in the Scandinavian region was carried out by a Christian Neo-Nazi
And the largest terrorist attack in Europe was by Sikh militants, so what? Is Europe more concerned with Sikh militants than any other group? Better question: is there more of a threat to Scandinavia from Islamic immigration or the Far-Right
- That the German police have foiled countless Neo-Nazi terror attacks, the latest of which was in progress with the two suspects arrested with over 150 kilos of explosives
And? Not to comment on the bad taste of picking Germany that has had to deal with an Islamist attack only a month ago if we look at the recent past:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...iled-plots-Threat-Security-Islamic-State-ISIS
well over half of those listed are Islamist in nature.
Scaff
Europe is safer from terror attacks that it was during the 60's and 70's, and terror plots and attacks are not limited to Muslims (as your tone would certainly suggest), now it may just be that the far-Right is stupid and easier to catch, but that doesn't and shouldn't be used to attempt to minimize them as a danger.
So? That's cold comfort to the people living with the realities of the threat
as it is now. Let us not forget, using
your own source:
The overall threat to the security of the European Union has increased over recent years and remains on an upward trajectory. The main concern reported by EU Member States continues to be jihadist terrorism and the closely related phenomenon of foreign terrorist fighters, travelling to and from conflict zones. The attacks in Paris in January and November 2015 represented a clear shift in the intent and capability of jihadist terrorists to inflict mass casualties on urban populations designed to induce a high state of well-publicised terror. Other attacks committed by radicalised and violent jihadist individuals that occurred in the EU - such as the killing of two people in Copenhagen, Denmark, and the knife attack in Nice, France which wounded three soldiers – both in February 2015 – underscore the diversity of the threat. Most jihadist terrorist acts that took place in the EU in 2015 were performed in the name of Islamic State (IS). It is a highly challenging task for the security services and law enforcement authorities to prevent every planned terrorist attack by keeping track of the everincreasing numbers of people suspected of being, in one way or another, sympathetic to IS ideology, and to focus their attention for unspecified lengths of time on those who might be willing and able to perform violent acts. Meanwhile, Al-Qaeda affiliates – and AQAP in particular - are still a factor to be considered and a reason for the EU to focus on a broader range of jihadist terrorist groups. The developments in the MENA (Middle East and North Africa) region, such as the political unrest in Libya, enabling IS to take up a prominent position in countries bordering the EU, add to the overall threat to Member States. Numbers of arrests for Jihadist terrorist activities have again increased in 2015 compared to 2014, illustrating the enormous efforts being undertaken across Europe to fight this kind
Your source also says 151 people died from terrorist attacks in 2015....
150 of them were from Jihadists.
Just applying some basic maths here and that's....let's see....
99.3% of the fatalities sustained in the EU were due to Jihadists
Scaff
No you have mentioned migration and refugees, and claimed 'we' are being out-bred.
None of which constitutes an 'Invasion' in even the most generous form.
Oh Scaffy, of course it does!
It's even got a nifty name: Hijrah
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260019/hijrah-europe-robert-spencer
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/08/the_hijra.html
Scaff
Its also nonsense that's been de-bunked many times before.
You mean the birth rate? Yeah The Guardian did a great job debunking the finding that now 1 in 10 babies in England and Wales are Muslim:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/10/rise-british-muslim-birthrate-the-times-census
Of course articles like this are probably nonsense too:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6721/muslim-invasion-europe
Scaff
If migrants and refugees are an Invasion then they are going about it very, very badly (why have the vast majority of this refugee invasion force headed to other Muslim countries in the region).
You're confusing the refugee situation with the migrant. Of course there is considerable overlap.
Scaff
As far as the being out-bred, that's far from unique as a claim to Islam (we had it for the Indian migrations of the '50s and the West Indian one of the 60's), it was claimed in the US when the Italians and Irish were heading over. The simple fact is that birth rates from developing countries (regardless of religion) are higher than in developed countries. However that trend doesn't remain past the first generation and drops off rapidly.
Oh Islam is a special cookie when it comes to that. Yasser Arafat said it best:
"The womb of the Arab woman," Arafat says smugly, promising ultimate victory over the Jews, "is my strongest weapon."
"Globally, Muslims have the highest fertility rate, an average of 3.1 children per woman—well above replacement level (2.1) due to young age of Muslims (median age of 23) compared to other religious groups"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth
You also ignored this:
Aaaaand this:
(Which neatly compares the three dominant South Asian religions that you brought up and, I hope, shows your theory doesn't hold up)
Scaff
This is simply dog-whistle nonsense that appeals to the far right and has no basis in either fact or accurate analysis.
Is this liberal logic I'm not privvy to
Scaff
So which religious group right now suffers the most deaths at the hands of terrorists or religious attacks?
Erm, that would be Muslims since they are largely in Islamic controlled territory which commits the attacks....
Better yet, google:
"What is the most persecuted religion"
Scaff
Now I forgot to get back to you on the above when you posted it. YOu seem to be using this as if it were proof that Christians are either being forced to convert or forced out of these countries due to 'Islam'.
However a couple of issues exist with that, of the countries that a drop has occurred two have been conflict zones for over a decade, one has undergone serious political change and rioting, one is semi-blockaded and one is about as non-Muslim as you can get (seriously your attempting to use a chart that shows a drop in Christians in Israel and paint the cause as Islam).
Then we come onto the other odd part, that two of these Muslim countries have seen an increase in the Christian population, one of which is the centre of Islam and the other of which now has a Christian population that is, by percentage of total population, significantly greater than the Muslim population in most European countries!
Its almost as if it a combination of various different factors, none of which actually support the claim you made.
So the immigration can be explained by:
"These Christians are
mostly migrants from the
Philippines, South Korea, and
other countries working in oil
production, construction, domestic
tasks, and other jobs in the service
industry."
And do you want to go into what working conditions can be like for these workers?
Really?
And the Israel thing is not used to "paint the cause" as Islam. I used the graph to show a general trend in Muslim dominated countries - obviously if I created it myself it wouldn't be in there.
) consider me an "Islamophobe" or "anti-Muslim"?
