Japan: Model of the future
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Gladly. The capacity of a gun, in the plausible situation that you will be outmatched by your assailant, to create a greater balance or give you an advantage is logical. Guns are fast, powerful and efficient, and provide good range. Thus, you are more independent. With out it there is an imbalance; and you are more reliant on the security measures of the state.
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The Finnish are suicidal?
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While modern and ancient japanese culture is very interesting and beautiful the country still has far too many problems to be used as a model. However, Japanese inovations in recycling and urban development are world class and should be looked to as population densities increase..
So, basically it becomes a violent free-for-all, and no-one has any confidence in the government to provide a safe environment for its citizens. Wouldn't you define this as a basic part of the role of government? Isn't this a fundamental failing of the government?
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I don't think so.. I think the right to arms is important because it allows people to say no to the "tax man" Remember, dictatorial societies were stripped of arms, and rebels were slaughtered by the masses. I think that a freedom to posses firearms is the greatest protection for a person.. but not for something as superficial as a robbery or "stick up" it is a statement that the government listens to the populace, not the other way around.. (a beautiful thing.. 
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)Originally posted by Seito4Counter
I don't think so.. I think the right to arms is important because it allows people to say no to the "tax man" Remember, dictatorial societies were stripped of arms, and rebels were slaughtered by the masses. I think that a freedom to posses firearms is the greatest protection for a person.. but not for something as superficial as a robbery or "stick up" it is a statement that the government listens to the populace, not the other way around.. (a beautiful thing..
Mmm. I guess it's a matter of perspective. Australia was a country born from peace - we didn't have a civil war, the government's always been democratic (voting is compulsory) - so the mindset of needing to protect ourselves from the government is, for all but the smallest of minority groups, simply not one that exists here.
I've been detecting lately that there seems to be a disconnect between people from the US and particularly the US Federal Government, and I can't figure out if it's just something in the group psyche of the US people or something that's been developing gradually over the last thirty or forty years.
Thinking further along those lines, I wonder if the big campaigns, the big interests and lobbying, and the sheer damn size of the US means that there is an unbridgeable difference between the US Federal Govt and the US people - an example being the Bush-Gore presidential election, where we saw the candidate with the majority of the votes effectively lose the elections at the hands of a courtroom.
Coming back to the start, I've noticed that the 'protecting yourself from the Government' and the 'self protection' arguments are ones that come up again and again in the gun debate, and I'm starting to think that there is something so fundamentally different in the psyches of the Australian and the US people that I simply can not understand what drives your side of the debate, much in the way that you can not understand what drives my side of the debate.
Law and order issues are similar here - indeed there has been an ongoing gun-crime matter in the south west of Sydney that has, relevantly, just been solved by police with the main offenders in court at the moment - but the general populace simply has no interest in holding firearms for protection. There is the trust that the police will both catch offenders, and provide the protection implicit in the unwritten citizen-state contract - something that many in the US, from what I've read, simply don't believe that the state can deliver.
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well yes your right about that.. I dont really feel like i can rely on the federal or state governments at all, mostly because most of the people that work there are complete idiots.. hell this country elected a coke smoking draft dodger as the friggin president.. i mean wtf? (its like a bad comedy movie) and people in public positions usually are idiots here because if they had any sense or were adept at all they could make more money privately.. so in the USA we are left with a general incompetance.. also there is a rebellious mind in a lot of us citizens and a lot of people dont take well to people telling them what to do.. (particularly if they are idiots)
I mostly advocate firearms because i really dont want to listen to what some freak in D.C. thinks i should do... and when he sends the atf or fbi to come and get me for it id rather have an automatic rifle than a peashooter and a lot of goodwill.. (but right now i dont own anything.. i swear)
I mostly advocate firearms because i really dont want to listen to what some freak in D.C. thinks i should do... and when he sends the atf or fbi to come and get me for it id rather have an automatic rifle than a peashooter and a lot of goodwill.. (but right now i dont own anything.. i swear)
Well, it's not intended as a criticism, duke - I've been struggling to understand the gun issue and why it's such a big deal in the US. Our cultures are drawing ever closer together, and yet this fundamental issue is one that the average Australian shows absolutely no interest in. I would be extremely surprised if anyone in our street owned a gun - mind you, we're 100 metres from the police station.
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Not completely. Failure is acting inadequately within the rules one is bound by, as well not succeeding in one's responsibilities. I cannot reasonably expect total protection from anything, and would not want it from the state because of inherent risks to what freedoms I have. Therefor, being armed is part of that balance. Let the government do somethings, but worry more about large security, and me partially about my own.
VM, there's a gun thread here if you haven't read it yet.
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Isnt it in the American Constitution that you have the right to bear arms?....or something like that...
this is not a critisism, i am just learning but i have two questions.
1. Why is that in the Constituition?
2. Why is it not in the Constituition of other countries, in otherwords, what make America different in this respect?
this is not a critisism, i am just learning but i have two questions.
1. Why is that in the Constituition?
2. Why is it not in the Constituition of other countries, in otherwords, what make America different in this respect?
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its is a little off topic dan but dont worry, instead i'll ask why Japan doesnt have the right to bear arms in its constitution. What are americans so frightened of that they feel the need to have a gun in their shirt pocket the whole time? and Why dont the Japanese feel this fear?
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Uh when the new japanese constitution was written after ww2.. the u.s. wouldnt let the japanese have guns.. same thing with germany. ( sorry for answering..)
For Japan to be a model of anything it needs to be given the freedom of other states.. even today japan is restricted greatly in what it can and cant do from the older pacts signed after ww2. Mostly ones partaining to no war. There is also a law that states no person can be a traitor of the japanese state unless japan is at war.. problem is japan legally cant be at war.. so japan has no traitors.. i think a big debate here should be should nationalism be part of this model of an "ideal country" and if not is it just a neo capitalist type of regime put in place only to regulate businesses.. not to conduct war or defense... I think the u.s. would prefer this model..
For Japan to be a model of anything it needs to be given the freedom of other states.. even today japan is restricted greatly in what it can and cant do from the older pacts signed after ww2. Mostly ones partaining to no war. There is also a law that states no person can be a traitor of the japanese state unless japan is at war.. problem is japan legally cant be at war.. so japan has no traitors.. i think a big debate here should be should nationalism be part of this model of an "ideal country" and if not is it just a neo capitalist type of regime put in place only to regulate businesses.. not to conduct war or defense... I think the u.s. would prefer this model..
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i'm not american...forgive me if my american history is a bit patchy
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no worries.. that was sort of a prick thing to say.. seeing as which i dont know my history of every country in the world.
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we all know that the mere thought of japan as a model for the future is a nightmare and would bring tears to even the hardest criminal....
anyway...as for hijacking...HE started it..
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i know, but some people have some weird picture of Japan that stems from thier technological acheivements, playstations, anime etc....they obviously have no idea of the history and culture of Japan.
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They obviously have no idea of Japan's history or culture.. Wow, thats pretty insulting.. I enjoy Japanese history and culture, some of the most rich and well perserved in the world i might add.
What do you know about Japan's history and culture?
What do you know about Japan's history and culture?
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i wasnt talking about you...i was referring to all those kids who love thier playstations and anime and think thats ALL that Japan has to offer.
i know enough about Japanese culture to know that i prefer what i have here.
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there is nothing wrong with a naive dream..
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Why? What do they know about American history? If nothing, I couldn't care less. You shouldn't be so sensitive.
So some histories are "richer" than others?
I know that their subjugation of Korea and China in the first half of the 20th century was brutal and cruel, especially the human testing of chemical warfare on Chinese villages.
I also know that the vast majority of Japanese have no idea of WWII or what an imperial and bloody history Japan really has. Plenty of skeletons in their closet.
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"Until you expect the world to live it out for you and become bitter when they don't." You sound pretty bitter.
yes some histories imho are richer than others.. but like i said thats an opinion
Hey we are in an opinion forum arent we?
Also there are plenty of skeletons in everyones closet.. britain, u.s., spain, germany, russia, china..
Japan is no different.
yes some histories imho are richer than others.. but like i said thats an opinion
Hey we are in an opinion forum arent we?
Also there are plenty of skeletons in everyones closet.. britain, u.s., spain, germany, russia, china..
Japan is no different.
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