Joey's Cooper Thread; Suspension Thoughts
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So wait:
She was traveling at 40MPH, saw you and then hit the brakes, thus hitting you at about 10MPH, right? Did you get any pictures of the other cars damage?
Just be glad that everyone is all right and still alive, it could have been a lot worse you know. Hopefully insurance will cover most of it.
She was traveling at 40MPH, saw you and then hit the brakes, thus hitting you at about 10MPH, right? Did you get any pictures of the other cars damage?
Just be glad that everyone is all right and still alive, it could have been a lot worse you know. Hopefully insurance will cover most of it.
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I hate saying this Joey, but they're gonna blame you, because you were pulling on to the highway.
The same thing happened to my brother, only instead of a Mini it was a rusted-out Mazda B2000, and instead of a Passat, It was a Police car doing 55MPH without the siren on. Guess who got the ticket. And flipped onto his side.
It was the same situation: pulling onto a road with very poor vision. There's a dip in the road with a railroad bridge across it at this intersection, and quite a bit of the road is blocked from view by the bridge. The officer was traveling FAR too fast to not have his siren on, (and, to of all things, a domestic dispute...) but the letter of the law says that if a car is leaving a driveway or intersection and a collision happens, then the driver of the car leaving said driveway or intersection is to blame. That's how it was explained to us. We still dislike the Chief of Police. Siren should've been on: it was a dangerous intersection and they knew it, traveling that fast.
I don't know why the Trailblazer owner didn't see the VW. If there is any justice, this girl's insurance will fly skyward, and her parents will get on her case about it...but I somehow doubt daddy and mommy's little girl's life will be significantly impacted.
The same thing happened to my brother, only instead of a Mini it was a rusted-out Mazda B2000, and instead of a Passat, It was a Police car doing 55MPH without the siren on. Guess who got the ticket. And flipped onto his side.
It was the same situation: pulling onto a road with very poor vision. There's a dip in the road with a railroad bridge across it at this intersection, and quite a bit of the road is blocked from view by the bridge. The officer was traveling FAR too fast to not have his siren on, (and, to of all things, a domestic dispute...) but the letter of the law says that if a car is leaving a driveway or intersection and a collision happens, then the driver of the car leaving said driveway or intersection is to blame. That's how it was explained to us. We still dislike the Chief of Police. Siren should've been on: it was a dangerous intersection and they knew it, traveling that fast.
I don't know why the Trailblazer owner didn't see the VW. If there is any justice, this girl's insurance will fly skyward, and her parents will get on her case about it...but I somehow doubt daddy and mommy's little girl's life will be significantly impacted.
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That sucks bro! Hope you aren't too mangled.
Cars can be fixed or replaced.
Just out of curiousity which hand was she holding the phone in?
If it was in her right hand it would have been blocking her vision to her right...where you happened to be.
That would go to her driving without due care.
If you must talk on the phone while driving, Bluetooth is your friend.
obtain the technology, use the technology.
There is no excuse with Bluetooth earpieces going for as low as $30 (lower on sale).
Cars can be fixed or replaced.
Just out of curiousity which hand was she holding the phone in?
If it was in her right hand it would have been blocking her vision to her right...where you happened to be.
That would go to her driving without due care.
If you must talk on the phone while driving, Bluetooth is your friend.
obtain the technology, use the technology.
There is no excuse with Bluetooth earpieces going for as low as $30 (lower on sale).
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if she was already on the road, then you were definitely supposed to yield to her.
right of way goes to whoever is on the road, no who is trying to get on the road.
sucks
right of way goes to whoever is on the road, no who is trying to get on the road.
sucks
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She was driving on the shoulder. On her cell phone. At an intersection with a red light.
Oh yes, Joey is totally at fault here.
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So technically, she wasn't on the road at the time of the crash, and if she was going to be on the road, I'm guessing she would have had to blast through several cars to get to him at all.
By the sounds of it, the law says yes. That's why we have the courts, where we can address the times when the law doesn't fully represent the situation.
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First of all glad you're OK Joey. As everyone said with that kind of damage she didn't hit you at 40mph but to think if she did I think the damage to the car would have been substantially worse and more importantly to you. 
Sucks about the MINI man, I know you love it and stuff but in the end it's a car and it's good that you're ok... for the most part. I agree with pretty much everyone else that as far as who should have gotten the ticket: Ditzy 17yr girl on the phone thinking she's always in the right > The smart driver
Sucks about the MINI man, I know you love it and stuff but in the end it's a car and it's good that you're ok... for the most part. I agree with pretty much everyone else that as far as who should have gotten the ticket: Ditzy 17yr girl on the phone thinking she's always in the right > The smart driver
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Sounds terrible, but uh I was just wondering if we could have an MSpaint representation of the events? I'm really confused as to what exactly happened even reading your post a few times...cause wouldn't a t-bone at most speeds really screw up your car worst than what it is?
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Thank you for illumining me to the error of my ways. I wasn't aware that driving while talking on the phone was a crime.
More importantly, it wasn't at a red light as you say, but leading up to a red light. There was a lady stopped in the road, trying to let Joey merge. Technically, the traffic behind her still had right of way. Joey has to yield to ALL traffic on the road he is trying to join. And if there is someone on the median, say, riding thier bike, he is still supposed to yield to them. Thats right, you have to yield to pedestrians, cyclists, horses, spaceships on the median/ bike path/ whatever.
So regardless of the fact that she was on the bike path, driving an M1 Abrams, while talking on a megaphone and texting her favourite singer to American Idol, she still had right of way.
Congratulations. You have added nothing worthwhile to the conversation.
A co worker of mine was attempting to make a left turn at a light on a street that had 3 lanes going in each direction plus the turning lane. The light turned yellow, traffic coming the other way in the turning lane and 1st two lanes stopped. There was no traffic coming in the last lane, so he started to make the turn. Just as a car that was previously in the 2nd lane swung into the vacant lane to try and make it through the light. Regardless of the fact that my friend went by the actions of the other drivers and the impending red light, he was still culpable in the ensuing accident.
Bone up on your traffic laws.
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It is. Well not a crime but illegal.
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It is illegal where I live.
Joey, was the light at the intersection red?
Does anyone know if the bike path is considered a lane?
Was your friends insurance the one that had to foot the bill, and did he receive a ticket? Or was it the one who caused the accident who had to pay? Like Philly said, that's why there's court. Sometimes the law doesn't cover all of it.
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I hate to say it Joey but I'm having trouble figuring out how this isn't your fault - can you draw it or something? The entire thing is not exactly clear. I can't understand how you entered a road and she was driving down the RIGHT shoulder and you got hit on the LEFT of your car. Couldn't you see someone on the RIGHT shoulder, since it would be closest to your driveway?
BTW an edit several hours later -- just based on what I know of you, and of your description, I'm 100% certain fault was not entirely yours. I'm just a little foggy on the details, that's all.
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I'd tell you that she didn't hit you at 40mph, but that's pretty obvious and you've already figured it out.
I was in car that t-boned another at ~30mph. Both cars written off.
Also, as for this being Joey's fault: from what I can tell, he was horizontal across a lane when another came along. That == not giving way.
I'm not saying whether Joey was in the right or wrong (her being on the cellphone, etc.), but those are the facts as I see them.
I was in car that t-boned another at ~30mph. Both cars written off.
Also, as for this being Joey's fault: from what I can tell, he was horizontal across a lane when another came along. That == not giving way.
I'm not saying whether Joey was in the right or wrong (her being on the cellphone, etc.), but those are the facts as I see them.
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YOU ARE NOT BRITISH.
Since I am British, We call "Turn Signals" Indicators and the "Windshield" the Windscreen.
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Can we quit being hung up on the 40mph? That's what the police officer told me, either he misspoke or I misheard. I'm waiting to see what the police report says to be sure before I go any further with that.
Here is the best diagram I can draw. She was in the blue car and you should be able to tell which one is mine. At some point in time she had to have passed the cars on the shoulder to get to where she was when she hit me. I was also at a dead stop and already in the road, so there was nothing for me to yield to. As far as I'm concerned she wasn't paying attention and didn't have proper control of her vehicle.
She had to have originally been behind the gray car since there was at least two vehicles backed up there.
Here is the best diagram I can draw. She was in the blue car and you should be able to tell which one is mine. At some point in time she had to have passed the cars on the shoulder to get to where she was when she hit me. I was also at a dead stop and already in the road, so there was nothing for me to yield to. As far as I'm concerned she wasn't paying attention and didn't have proper control of her vehicle.
She had to have originally been behind the gray car since there was at least two vehicles backed up there.
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I'm under the impression that if she was in a lane when she hit you, they will consider her to be in the road regardless of how she got there.
BUT, if she was going at 40 before she saw you and had time to slow to a speed more representative of the damage to your car, she had to have been far enough back to see you stopped in the road around the cars already stopped for you. Sadly, I don't think there is a law that says you have to look out for hazards when you have the right of way or that it's your fault if you make no attempt to slow down and plow into a car just sitting in the middle of the road. Sounds like her being on the phone is the best you have to go off of.
But then again, I am no traffic lawyer.
BUT, if she was going at 40 before she saw you and had time to slow to a speed more representative of the damage to your car, she had to have been far enough back to see you stopped in the road around the cars already stopped for you. Sadly, I don't think there is a law that says you have to look out for hazards when you have the right of way or that it's your fault if you make no attempt to slow down and plow into a car just sitting in the middle of the road. Sounds like her being on the phone is the best you have to go off of.
But then again, I am no traffic lawyer.
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There was no cars there when I moved into the road, I looked to be sure. She must have whipped around the gray car as far as I can tell and hit me. Remember I was stopped and had been stopped for at least a second. She just didn't see me and ran into the side of me. Like I said, I can not yield to what is not there. Also that lane starts no more then 50 feet from the end of my driveway, probably even less.
And I'll google earth it when I get home.
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