JSTC GT400 (GT300) Season 2 - Winter Test Session 2/9/13 4pm Pst

[freshseth83]

Ok besides limiting the # of cars per 'team' how are we going to decide who goes first or who goes last in picking their car for the season? That's why I said a time trial to decide who goes where would be good. The slowest guy can pick his car first, the fastest last. But to equal it out we can give out points for the Time Trial so there's still a benefit of not 'sandbagging' to get your preferred car choice instead of going fast as possible.

 

[BAZZER]

I think the people should get to choose whether or not to stay with the car they got to grips with throughout season 1. If they stick with their car fair enough but if not they can choose from what's left on a first come first serve basis. I've already said I'm going for the Celica so there's one Lexus less if that's a concern.

 

[freshseth83]

I'm not concerned with the Lexus in particular. I'm using it as an example. Lots of people want to change, but if there isn't that much parity between cars than choosing any car shouldn't be such a huge ordeal. But to give the slower guys a chance at getting something they are comfortable in I proposed the time trial.

 

[TylerJDallas]

I have no idea what car to start testing with.

 

[TDZdave]

Thanks BAZZER,

 

[CJ tha KIDD]

Is there any room left to join up with this series?

 

[phil bell]

You can never even a race out imo. Take skeng for instance, he will always be faster than me in the Celice. People just have to come to terms with how fast they are and enjoy the races for what they are, fun. I've made plenty of mistakes in races this season and don't just quit, the only time I quit was when I got dc'd.

Unless we get a group of people that don't mind finishing last to mid-pack then we will always struggle to keep numbers up. And no matter how the specs are changed this will always be the case.

I agree. The top guys will always be a class act no matter what. Racing should always reward speed, it IS a race after all lol.

Ballast seems enough.

 

[phil bell]

Is there any room left to join up with this series?

Sure is man, stay tuned for S2 thread.

 

[CJ tha KIDD]

Sure is man, stay tuned for S2 thread.

K. Thanks

 

[freshseth83]

Still need a car selection process, not just "I wanna use this" or "I'm going to use that", that'll end up leaving people out of a car they want to use. Unless people can come to a civilized decision, but I don't see it happening if were limited to 3 of each car.

 

[joetruckv8]

Is there any room left to join up with this series?

Season 2 tread will be up in 7 to 14 days max! 👍

 

[phil bell]

Still need a car selection process, not just "I wanna use this" or "I'm going to use that", that'll end up leaving people out of a car they want to use. Unless people can come to a civilized decision, but I don't see it happening if were limited to 3 of each car.

We already have one, first-come first-serve. More likely than not there are always going to be people that cant use what they want. It's unavoidable regardless.

Besides, trades can always be arranged between drivers who want to swap chassis if both parties want to swap.

That sounds decent enough to me.

 

[freshseth83]

First come first served doesn't work in a series like this in my experience. There's not even a date to pick the cars by anyway.

 

[joetruckv8]

Scenario 1:
Once the tread is up the picking will begin and soon as we hit 3 drivers per chassis that's it. Once we get to driver 17 (if it happens), we will re open the chassis selection from 3 driver per chassis to 4 drivers per chassis until we reach driver 22 - 24ish. If we get more than 24 drivers then we will re open the chassis selection a final time for a maximum 5 drivers per chassis @ 32 drivers per field. This scenario will allow the most people to drive the car of there choice vs getting whats left.

Scenario 2:
If we really want to push the issue of filling up the whole entire grid with different cars such as GATE with 36 drivers then we will lock the field at 4 driver teams then we will need 8 chassis which I believe were at excluding the challenge car Razo Silvia. And Jstc will be at full capable diversity limit.

note: a pm will be giving out right before and right at the moment of op completion so every has a fair chance to select the car of there choice.

 

[joetruckv8]

Season 2 Car Regulations:

Scenario 1:: Slow down Arta from being noticeably the fastest car on grid
Autobacs ARTA Garaiya <---- Fastest Car on Grid
Everything allowed
364 hp <---- 10hp reduction
1180 kg

Lexus Weds Sport IS350 <---- On Pace
Everything allowed
394 hp <---- No Gain on Field Except Arta
1160 kg

Nissan C-WEST RAZO SILVIA (JGTC) '01 (Standard) <----Slowest Car on Grid
Unrestricted tune <---- No Gain on Field Except Arta

RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 '04 <---- On Pace
Engine Stage 3 tune NOT allowed
Everything else allowed
374 hp <---- No Gain on Field Except Arta
1170 kg

RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX7 '06 <---- On Pace
Engine Stage 3 tune NOT allowed
Everything else allowed
374 hp <---- No Gain on Field Except Arta
1170 kg

Subaru CUSCO DUNLOP SUBARU '08 <----Slowest Car on Grid
Unrestricted tune <---- No Gain on Field Except Arta

Subaru CUSCO SUBARU ADVAN IMPREZA '03 <---- On Pace
Everything allowed
384 hp <---- No Gain on Field Except Arta
1140 kg

Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S '00 <---- On Pace
Everything allowed
374 hp <---- No Gain on Field Except Arta
1160 kg

Toyota WEDSSPORT CELICA '03 <---- On Pace
Everything allowed
364 hp <---- No Gain on Field Except Arta
1180 kg

Scenario 2: Brings Silvia/Subaru '08 more into pace w/ field
Autobacs ARTA Garaiya <---- Fastest Car on Grid
Everything allowed
364 hp <---- 10hp reduction <---- Equalizes Pace w/ the Field
1190 kg <---- 10kg increase <---- Losses Pace to Silvia/Subaru

Lexus Weds Sport IS350 <---- On Pace
Everything allowed
394 hp
1180 kg <---- 10kg increase

Nissan C-WEST RAZO SILVIA (JGTC) '01 (Standard) <----Slowest Car on Grid
Unrestricted tune <---- Gains 10kg more pace on Field

RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 '04 <---- On Pace
Engine Stage 3 tune NOT allowed
Everything else allowed
374 hp
1180 kg <---- 10kg increase

RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX7 '06 <---- On Pace
Engine Stage 3 tune NOT allowed
Everything else allowed
374 hp
1180 kg <---- 10kg increase

Subaru CUSCO DUNLOP SUBARU '08 <----Slowest Car on Grid
Unrestricted tune <---- Gains 10kg more pace on Field

Subaru CUSCO SUBARU ADVAN IMPREZA '03 <---- On Pace
Everything allowed
384 hp
1150 kg <---- 10kg increase

Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S '00 <---- On Pace
Everything allowed
374 hp
1170 kg <---- 10kg increase

Toyota WEDSSPORT CELICA '03 <---- On Pace
Everything allowed
364 hp
1190 kg <---- 10kg increase

note: I would like to run these scenarios at Saturday's Winter Testing, and along with and other minor changes from drivers perspectives'

 

[joetruckv8]

Last but not least: Penalty System

Zach do to his commitment, managing, and organizing skills (plus a little GMT friendly) will be co-founder next season to help me keep up with the pace of Jstc as a hi pace system in action. My schedule will not allow me to be as prudent as I like to be, so Zach coming into play will help the overall quality of the series.

Zach is handling the penalty system this is his v2.0:
Okay so as promised here's my revised penalty system.

Crossing the pit exit line will result in a 10s penalty, regardless of if you are around another car or not.

A collision that results in another driver losing control of their car will result in a 5s penalty multiplied by positions lost.

A collision that has clear intent to force another driver to lose control will result in a 10s penalty multiplied by positions lost.

When a driver overtakes unfairly and fails to yield within a reasonable time, a 20s penalty will be applied on top of any other penalties.

The disadvantaged driver has 1 opportunity to reclaim his position. If the driver spins or crashes while another driver is trying to yield, no penalty will be applied except for the contact.

Slight contact and taps will be allowed, but excessive force will result in a penalty.

If a driver disconnects after causing a collision worthy of a penalty, the penalty will be applied to their next completed race.

Using a car that failures to meet the regulations (e.g. Using an illegal engine upgrade) will result in you being disqualified from the event.

Offenders that receive 5 or more penalties will get a further 10s penalty on their next penalty given.

Discussion of collisions between the drivers is forbidden in the thread. All discussion must take place using the private messaging service.

When an incident is reported to the stewards a PM will be sent out by ZachAK47 to the drivers involved. They will then get a chance to explain their perspective and this will be noted by the stewards in subsequent action.

Any appeals against penalties must be declared by PMing ZachAK47. Not in the thread.

The penalty system may be altered after an incident to result in more appropriate action applied if it occurs again.

Any questions about the penalty system should be directed to ZachAK47

 

[Willfred_1]

is worth me in the highlight including collisions as in previous experience we had 2 different pictures from 3 replays sound odd i know but the driver who caused the collision didn't appear to touch in one stewards replay however in the other stewards replay the cars touched so we had to get someone else to have a look

 

[SkengD]

Sounds good , good work joe and zach

 

[freshseth83]

Why would you give a hp cut to the Garaiya when you can just say don't use engine 3? That's what made it fast on the straights.

 

[Willfred_1]

is me or am i getting a sense of hostility from seth it may be me just reading into it too much but their is and underlying tone to your posts
i found last night im faster in premium scooby so i will be using that so that frees up a mazda

 

[ZachAK47]

is worth me in the highlight including collisions as in previous experience we had 2 different pictures from 3 replays sound odd i know but the driver who caused the collision didn't appear to touch in one stewards replay however in the other stewards replay the cars touched so we had to get someone else to have a look

Each steward will pass judgement using their own replay. But Having you upload the crashes would be excellent, as then if a steward forgets the save the replay they can use yours.

Also the more replays we have the better idea we have of what actually happened, and so more likely to give an appropriate penalty.

 

[BAZZER]

I don't think pm'ing everyone right before the thread goes up and telling them to choose there car is the right way to go, there are to many variables to mess it up. Firstly somebody might not get the pm until hours after leaving them at a massive disadvantage and secondly the time difference will favour est or gmt depending on what time it's posted.

Like I said earlier, people should get to choose whether or not they stick with the car they used last season and go from there. I don't know if I will be here to choose instantly which is why I've already choosen the celica. Only 1 person used it last season and nobody has declared interest, only me weeks ago so that's what I'm taking.

 

[SkengD]

Yeh it was surprising that i was the only celica driver , its a nice car

 

[freshseth83]

is me or am i getting a sense of hostility from seth it may be me just reading into it too much but their is and underlying tone to your posts
i found last night im faster in premium scooby so i will be using that so that frees up a mazda

Hey, its the internet, I don't know how you can tell someone's tone is hostile? I'm giving my opinion. Instead of a hp drop, just take away engine tuning.

 

[joetruckv8]

Why would you give a hp cut to the Garaiya when you can just say don't use engine 3? That's what made it fast on the straights.

Honestly Seth, because I'm not checking to make sure people arent using eng 3, plus we adjusted the cars previously using +/- hp and +/-kg and it worked out beautifully. If we allow the Arta to be more hp then we risk re reging all the cars to match the Arta which could turn into another nightmare. Honestly again running this series has taken up so much of my time my girl is looking at me sideways, and I haven't been getting practice in for racing due to so much treading, and pming'

Also the 2nd problem with the Arta 2nd is its natural hi corner speed as well.

 

[freshseth83]

It's not the corner speed, it's the corner entry. That's because it's mid engine layout. 2nd, if you're talking about top speed, the car isn't that fast. The Lexus is easily 5mph faster at the top end, so is the Premium Subaru. The issue isn't it's top speed, it's the acceleration. When you give it engine stage 3 you're letting it have a lot of torque, that's what gives it the acceleration. With the standard Garaiya, no engine tuning done on it, even though the car is lighter, it's not as good in acceleration. That's because the lack of torque. If it were up to me, I'd run all the cars with their stock engine and only boost the ones that are slower than the rest with add-ons like the engine stages and additional turbos. The premium cars (besides the Subaru) seem to be able to go upwards of 500hp when fully tuned.

 

[Willfred_1]

It's not the corner speed, it's the corner entry. That's because it's mid engine layout. 2nd, if you're talking about top speed, the car isn't that fast. The Lexus is easily 5mph faster at the top end, so is the Premium Subaru. The issue isn't it's top speed, it's the acceleration. When you give it engine stage 3 you're letting it have a lot of torque, that's what gives it the acceleration. With the standard Garaiya, no engine tuning done on it, even though the car is lighter, it's not as good in acceleration. That's because the lack of torque. If it were up to me, I'd run all the cars with their stock engine and only boost the ones that are slower than the rest with add-ons like the engine stages and additional turbos. The premium cars (besides the Subaru) seem to be able to go upwards of 500hp when fully tuned.

my friends lexus is faster than my well tuned gtr at 610pp

 

[BAZZER]

After the Lexus got it's power taken away it was never the fastest all season!

 

[rosckolove]

Why don't you run another spot race (in any car we like) before the season like you did last time and let the finishing order determine what order people get to select their cars..

It would be nice if this race took place after the 15th though, as thats when I am getting my own playstation.

 

[TylerJDallas]

Someone hit me up on PM or PSN when we figure out the car thing. Ill be playing FIFA till then.