Junior Formula. Discussion of F2, F3, F4, Formula Renault, TRS, W-Series, Indy Lights, etcOpen Wheel

[Jezza819]

Super Formula is racing now.

 

[Rangeraus]

Not sure how you fix F3/F2/F1 qualifying at Monza... F3 qualifying was a bit of a farce.

 

[PeterJB]

A short-term fix for F1 tomorrow would be to keep a five-second gap between cars on hot laps. If you wanna get pole you do it yourself rather than getting pulled around by the guy in front.

 

[PeterJB]

NINE penalties have been dished out for the F3 feature race. This leaves Liam Lawson on pole, and Igor Fraga P7!

https://www.fiaformula3.com/Latest/571CPXsakLqBkuOV6wZUlx/round-8-post-qualifying-penalties

 

[HenrySwanson]

F2 race is delivering

 

[PeterJB]

Hell of a launch from Schumacher at the start. That seat at Alfa Romeo next year is looking ever more likely.

 

[Spacegoat]

The F3 race was wild. One heck of a drive from Oscar Piastri to get onto the podium.

 

[PeterJB]

Triple-retirement for Prema, but they've already won the constructor's so hey-ho, neutralised the driver's title fight too.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Logan Sargent had got up from 26th to 5th by lap 10, seen his title rival taken out in an absolute mess at the first chicane and then threw it all away in an unnecessary move back across the front of his team mate having made the move. Hero to Zero is a very short amount of time.

 

[mustafur]

The title fight in F3 is awesome looks to be going down to the wire between the two Prema Team mates.

I assume who ever wins will get the free Prema seat in F2 for who ever goes to Alfa Romeo next year.

 

[PeterJB]

So tomorrow morning Vesti will start 3rd, Sargeant 5th, Pourchaire 7th, Beckmann 8th, Lawson 12th and Piastri 16th...

 

[Spacegoat]

So tomorrow morning Vesti will start 3rd, Sargeant 5th, Pourchaire 7th, Beckmann 8th, Lawson 12th and Piastri 16th...

Anything can happen but it's Sargeant's championship to lose now. It's going to be a tough task for Piastri starting that far back.

 

[PeterJB]

So, here are all the possible scenarios for the F3 championship tomorrow, the points for fastest lap make this much more complex than it otherwise would be!

Piastri Champion

Piastri 1st with or without fastest lap
Piastri 2nd with or without fastest lap, with Sargeant 3rd or lower
Piastri 3rd with fastest lap with Sargeant 4th or lower
Piastri 3rd with Sargeant 4th or lower with or without fastest lap
Piastri 4th with fastest lap with Sargeant 3rd or lower
Piastri 4th with Sargeant 5th or lower with or without fastest lap and Pourchaire 1st without fastest lap
Piastri 4th with Sargeant 5th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 5th with fastest lap with Sargeant 6th or lower
Piastri 5th with Sargeant 6th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower with or without fastest lap
Piastri 5th with Sargeant 7th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 6th with fastest lap with Sargeant 5th or lower
Piastri 6th with Sargeant 7th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 6th with Sargeant 8th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 6th with Sargeant 7th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 7th with fastest lap with Sargeant 5th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 7th with Sargeant 9th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 7th with Sargeant 8th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 7th with Sargeant 8th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 8th with fastest lap with Sargeant 6th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 8th with Sargeant 9th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 8th with Sargeant 10th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower
Piastri 8th with Sargeant 9th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 4th or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 9th with fastest lap with Sargeant 7th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 9th with Sargeant 10th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 9th with Sargeant 10th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 4th or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 10th with fastest lap with Sargeant 8th or lower and Pourchaire 3rd or lower
Piastri 10th with Sargeant 11th or lower and Pourchaire 4th or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 10th with Sargeant 11th or lower and Pourchaire 5th or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 11th or lower with Sargeant also 11th or lower and Pourchaire 4th or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 11th or lower with Sargeant also 11th or lower and Pourchaire 5th or lower with fastest lap

Sargeant Champion

Sargeant 1st with or without fastest lap
Sargeant 2nd with or without fastest lap, with Piastri 3rd or lower with or without fastest lap
Sargeant 3rd with fastest lap with Piastri 4th or lower
Sargeant 3rd with Piastri 4th or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 3rd with Piastri 5th or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 4th with fastest lap with Piastri 5th or lower
Sargeant 4th with Piastri 5th or lower
Sargeant 4th with Piastri 6th or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 5th with fastest lap with Piastri 6th or lower
Sargeant 5th with Piastri 6th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower with or without fastest lap
Sargeant 5th with Piastri 8th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 6th with fastest lap with Piastri 5th or lower
Sargeant 6th with Piastri 7th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 6th with Piastri 9th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 6th with Piastri 7th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 7th with fastest lap with Piastri 6th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 7th with Piastri 8th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 7th with Piastri 10th with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 7th with Piastri 8th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 8th with fastest lap with Piastri 7th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 8th with Piastri 9th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 8th with Piastri 9th or lower and Pourchaire 4th or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 9th with fastest lap with Piastri 8th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 9th with Piastri 10th or lower without fastest lap or lower and Pourchaire 3rd or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 9th with Piastri 10th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 4th or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 10th with fastest lap with Piastri 9th or lower and Pourchaire 3rd or lower
Sargeant 10th with Piastri 11th or lower and Pourchaire 4th or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 10th with Piastri 11th or lower and Pourchaire 5th or lower with fastest lap

Pourchaire Champion

Pourchaire 1st with fastest lap with Piastri and Sargeant 4th or lower
Pourchaire 1st with Piastri and Sargeant 5th or lower without fastest lap
Pourchaire 1st with Piastri and Sargeant 7th or lower with fastest lap
Pourchaire 2nd with fastest lap with Piastri and Sargeant 5th or lower
Pourchaire 2nd with Piastri and Sargeant 8th or lower without fastest lap
Pourchaire 2nd with Piastri and Sargeant 10th or lower with fastest lap
Pourchaire 3rd with fastest lap with Piastri and Sargeant 8th or lower
Pourchaire 3rd with Piastri and Sargeant 10th or lower without fastest lap
Pourchaire 4th with fastest lap with Piastri and Sargeant 10th or lower


Piastri has 30 possible scenarios that make him champion, Sargeant has 28 and Pourchaire has 9. With Sargeant starting 5th tomorrow, Pourchaire 8th and Piastri 11th, I think it'll go to Sargeant.

 

[mustafur]

If Piastri got 10th it would be his to lose now sargent has the advantage big time, however its still close enough for anything to happen.

Unlike Monza this isn't a track you can make your way up from the back so a perfect race is needed if your behind.

 

[PeterJB]

Can we please give Dan Ticktum a seat in F1 just for his radio commentary?

 

[BrainsBush]

Can we please give Dan Ticktum a seat in F1 just for his radio commentary?

Ok he's still a young kid but maybe this sport is a little to stressful for him? Final stint he lost six places. Probably everyone's fault besides his own
Yep it's entertaining but feel a little bit sorry for the spoiled kid.

 

[PeterJB]

Ok he's still a young kid but maybe this sport is a little to stressful for him? Final stint he lost six places. Probably everyone's fault besides his own
Yep it's entertaining but feel a little bit sorry for the spoiled kid.

I think it would get less attention if not for his little incident in 2015. In other news, Ilott is doing a fantastic job of throwing this championship away.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I think it would get less attention if not for his little incident in 2015. In other news, Ilott is doing a fantastic job of throwing this championship away.

And Schumachers doing a good job of switching it to his favour. Be interesting to see how the sprint race goes down tomorrow with Schwartzmann and Ilott out of position and Schumacher going from 4th. Could be a big swing.

 

[ScottPuss20]

So, here are all the possible scenarios for the F3 championship tomorrow, the points for fastest lap make this much more complex than it otherwise would be!

Piastri Champion

Piastri 1st with or without fastest lap
Piastri 2nd with or without fastest lap, with Sargeant 3rd or lower
Piastri 3rd with fastest lap with Sargeant 4th or lower
Piastri 3rd with Sargeant 4th or lower with or without fastest lap
Piastri 4th with fastest lap with Sargeant 3rd or lower
Piastri 4th with Sargeant 5th or lower with or without fastest lap and Pourchaire 1st without fastest lap
Piastri 4th with Sargeant 5th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 5th with fastest lap with Sargeant 6th or lower
Piastri 5th with Sargeant 6th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower with or without fastest lap
Piastri 5th with Sargeant 7th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 6th with fastest lap with Sargeant 5th or lower
Piastri 6th with Sargeant 7th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 6th with Sargeant 8th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 6th with Sargeant 7th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 7th with fastest lap with Sargeant 5th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 7th with Sargeant 9th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 7th with Sargeant 8th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 7th with Sargeant 8th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 8th with fastest lap with Sargeant 6th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 8th with Sargeant 9th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 8th with Sargeant 10th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower
Piastri 8th with Sargeant 9th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 4th or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 9th with fastest lap with Sargeant 7th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Piastri 9th with Sargeant 10th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 9th with Sargeant 10th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 4th or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 10th with fastest lap with Sargeant 8th or lower and Pourchaire 3rd or lower
Piastri 10th with Sargeant 11th or lower and Pourchaire 4th or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 10th with Sargeant 11th or lower and Pourchaire 5th or lower with fastest lap
Piastri 11th or lower with Sargeant also 11th or lower and Pourchaire 4th or lower without fastest lap
Piastri 11th or lower with Sargeant also 11th or lower and Pourchaire 5th or lower with fastest lap

Sargeant Champion

Sargeant 1st with or without fastest lap
Sargeant 2nd with or without fastest lap, with Piastri 3rd or lower with or without fastest lap
Sargeant 3rd with fastest lap with Piastri 4th or lower
Sargeant 3rd with Piastri 4th or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 3rd with Piastri 5th or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 4th with fastest lap with Piastri 5th or lower
Sargeant 4th with Piastri 5th or lower
Sargeant 4th with Piastri 6th or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 5th with fastest lap with Piastri 6th or lower
Sargeant 5th with Piastri 6th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower with or without fastest lap
Sargeant 5th with Piastri 8th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 6th with fastest lap with Piastri 5th or lower
Sargeant 6th with Piastri 7th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 6th with Piastri 9th or lower with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 6th with Piastri 7th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 7th with fastest lap with Piastri 6th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 7th with Piastri 8th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 7th with Piastri 10th with fastest lap and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 7th with Piastri 8th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 8th with fastest lap with Piastri 7th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 8th with Piastri 9th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 3rd or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 8th with Piastri 9th or lower and Pourchaire 4th or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 9th with fastest lap with Piastri 8th or lower and Pourchaire 2nd or lower
Sargeant 9th with Piastri 10th or lower without fastest lap or lower and Pourchaire 3rd or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 9th with Piastri 10th or lower without fastest lap and Pourchaire 4th or lower with fastest lap
Sargeant 10th with fastest lap with Piastri 9th or lower and Pourchaire 3rd or lower
Sargeant 10th with Piastri 11th or lower and Pourchaire 4th or lower without fastest lap
Sargeant 10th with Piastri 11th or lower and Pourchaire 5th or lower with fastest lap

Pourchaire Champion

Pourchaire 1st with fastest lap with Piastri and Sargeant 4th or lower
Pourchaire 1st with Piastri and Sargeant 5th or lower without fastest lap
Pourchaire 1st with Piastri and Sargeant 7th or lower with fastest lap
Pourchaire 2nd with fastest lap with Piastri and Sargeant 5th or lower
Pourchaire 2nd with Piastri and Sargeant 8th or lower without fastest lap
Pourchaire 2nd with Piastri and Sargeant 10th or lower with fastest lap
Pourchaire 3rd with fastest lap with Piastri and Sargeant 8th or lower
Pourchaire 3rd with Piastri and Sargeant 10th or lower without fastest lap
Pourchaire 4th with fastest lap with Piastri and Sargeant 10th or lower


Piastri has 30 possible scenarios that make him champion, Sargeant has 28 and Pourchaire has 9. With Sargeant starting 5th tomorrow, Pourchaire 8th and Piastri 11th, I think it'll go to Sargeant.

That sure is a lot of possibilities. I'll definitely be watching this race today.

 

[PeterJB]

We'll, the racing God's have decided it's not Sargeant's time...

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Oh, you’ve really got to feel for Sargeant.

 

[LumpiestFish]

Shame it was able to be a proper battle between Sargeant and Piastri, but awesome for Piastri to pick up the win.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Great drive from Pourchaire, he's a real talent thats for sure. Solid from Piastri, did it the hard way and over the course of the season is probably the driver that deserved the title, really solid and consistent for the most part.

 

[PeterJB]

Sargeant easily could've won this year but completely blew it at Monza.

 

[mustafur]

Sargeant easily could've won this year but completely blew it at Monza.

Not really, Piastri had a few reliability and crashes that he wasn't at fault for that cost him big as well, it equalled out.

 

[Spacegoat]

Couldn't be happier for Piastri but yeah, massive shame for it end the way it did for Sargeant.

 

[PeterJB]

Schumacher is really stepping up to the challenge, very aggressive racer. I cannot fault F2 this year.

 

[psychoazubi]

With this drive, Schumi has secured his F1 seat i guess. Very strong and consistent season while it is going the other way for Shwartzman. Schumi and probably Illot (although he has hardly any funding behind him) will make it to Haas/Alfa with the guaranteed seat for Ferrari Juniors in both Teams. Probably Tsunoda too with Alpha Tauri, so we might get another year with 3 drivers making the step to F1

 

[JockeP22]

Very good consistency from Schumacher during the second half of the season.
I checked the points haul starting from the sprint race at Silverstone II up to and including the feature race here at Sochi:

Schumacher 139
Ilott 66
Lundgaard 58
Tsunoda 98
Shwartzman 55



Also, it's such a shame how poor Sophia Floersch's results have been this year in F3.
I was really hoping she'd have a good season after such an amazing comeback from the horrifying Macau crash,
but she very rarely managed to break into the top 20. She had the best looking livery on the grid, though.

 

[PeterJB]

Very good consistency from Schumacher during the second half of the season.
I checked the points haul starting from the sprint race at Silverstone II up to and including the feature race here at Sochi:

Schumacher 139
Ilott 66
Lundgaard 58
Tsunoda 98
Shwartzman 55



Also, it's such a shame how poor Sophia Floersch's results have been this year in F3.
I was really hoping she'd have a good season after such an amazing comeback from the horrifying Macau crash,
but she very rarely managed to break into the top 20. She had the best looking livery on the grid, though.

I didn't really notice Lundgaard this season but only today did I realise how many points he's lost that would've put him right up with Schumacher. Tsunoda is doing well, but also living up to the Japanese standard being literally hit-and-miss when it comes to overtaking manoeuvres.

And yeah it's a shame about Floersch. I really want to a woman to succeed in single-seaters but the sad truth is that their results would go completely unnoticed if they were men.