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- Rallywgn81
Ok, update done. Setting up the room now
KaWerks MC: Cat and Mouse and Dirty RallyXOpen
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- Rallywgn81
Its a public room currently. KaWerks Cat and Mouse. 1472-6881-3286-8589-0876
- 525
- Michigan
- dcschwinn
I don't think I've been granted access to the room or its not open yet? One of the other. lol
- 832
- Vienna
- sinna123
It's been the first time I played C&M - wow - big fun 
@Rallywagon thanks for hosting as choosing cool tracks 👍
@Rallywagon thanks for hosting as choosing cool tracks 👍
- 1,879
- Canada
- Ch11chcftzp
Sorry I couldn't make it guys, something came up.
I am going to try and put together a Cand M team to enter every week. Anyone up to joining me?
Team colors would be a huge advantage, that way in the heat of the battle, you know who you are bashing just by color. I know when the scrum is on it's difficult to know who is who.
This "racing" series is a blast and a half.
I am going to try and put together a Cand M team to enter every week. Anyone up to joining me?
Team colors would be a huge advantage, that way in the heat of the battle, you know who you are bashing just by color. I know when the scrum is on it's difficult to know who is who.
This "racing" series is a blast and a half.
- 525
- Michigan
- dcschwinn
Well I've only done 2 races, But I would love and be honored to be on a Crazy :censored:Canucks team.!
Question is do I get to wear the colors?? 
Let me know @Mike Lobban
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- 4,566
- Ohio
- Lessenjr
For the moment you just show up @vsfit 
Subjects to discuss
Subjects to discuss
- For those who raced Tuesday, what did you think of boost?
- How does everybody feel about color matching?
- Qualifying/Team formation?
- Cat car list
- Team headcount
- Meh. I'm beginning to find that I do not like boost for anything. Even though C&M is meant to be lighthearted, there should still be some element of advantage involved as it's still a competition. I would say light boost at most.
- Right now it's a pain, but I think it is a goal we need to work toward as it will provide a better environment and also photography (every photo tells a story)
- I enjoy the single dirty lap format, but the selection process needs to be ironed out a bit. Food for thought: 5 Permanent team Captains each with their own permanent team color? We can rank Captains so there's no discussions necessary as total participation varies.
- Instead of setting a dealership PP limit and allowing detuning because of oil change, can we just have a general pp limit of 515 or something along those lines?
- 3. I think that's the best format and makes it simpler to keep track of who's who.
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- beatin_the_odds
1. Don't mind it to much but I guess it depends how close do you want the finish, 1 team that should have been out on one match almost came back to win it, I would say a little more time with it and go from there.
2. Good idea, was a little confusing at the beginning but I narrowed it down to 1 mouse and 3 cats and I painted 1 of each black, blue, yellow, and red so I should be covered for next time.
3. Current method is good, I like the team idea but it would be hard for me to commit to every Tuesday, I like the idea of showing up if you want, unless there is enough interest eventually to have a solid 3 people show up on each team each week.
4. Like the idea of limiting the PP with no tuning, keeps it pretty even among the teams so it comes down to skill/luck.
5. Probably the best way right now with limited amount of people showing up being something new.
2. Good idea, was a little confusing at the beginning but I narrowed it down to 1 mouse and 3 cats and I painted 1 of each black, blue, yellow, and red so I should be covered for next time.
3. Current method is good, I like the team idea but it would be hard for me to commit to every Tuesday, I like the idea of showing up if you want, unless there is enough interest eventually to have a solid 3 people show up on each team each week.
4. Like the idea of limiting the PP with no tuning, keeps it pretty even among the teams so it comes down to skill/luck.
5. Probably the best way right now with limited amount of people showing up being something new.
- 7,689
- Michigan
- Rallywgn81
Morning everyone, hope you all had a good New Years!
On to business shall we? To touch on the subjects you brought up Lessen, we have had a fair bit of consistency in the group. Die, yourself, coach, me and a few others, we are regular. So I think we can build at least two, possibly 3 teams of 3, and rotate every Tuesday. Or perhaps once a "season," if you all are of a mind. I've talked with Zer0 and was given the OK to run on SNAIL once a month, during the tour car events off week. So, my idea is that we can get 3 weeks running some "scrimmage" events or if we have enough teams, do some sort of competition through the month with that one SNAIL event run as a sort of championship main event. I like the notion of teams, especially when it comes to getting things organized before the night starts. For all of my patience, I don't like waiting. So getting people to show up with the right cars and in the right colors would be awesome, and allow us to get more track time, instead of waiting for someone to jump out and grab something, then head back in. As for the cat issues. As much as you guys may want a "vague" PP range, I have been considering just restricting it to a few cars. every week we kinda "float" the PP range as it is already. But still we have people show up and we have to span it a bit more to include more people. I would rather just have a set list and say, get one of these three cars to use instead. I think this will head off most of the "will this car work?" issues.
Head count will be 3 to a team as default, however it is mostly based on participation. We ran a 4 on 4 last week, because 2 full teams I feel is better that 2 teams of 3 with 2 tom cats, and 4 teams of 2 doesn't work well. Boost will stay at low. Its nice to have when you are the mouse that is way back. I want the finishes to be very close. The only point of this event is fun, something I would like to maximize.
We already try to coordinate colors as much as possible right now, so I don't think it really needs to be discussed, as it is something we are striving for anyway.
Now my question to you guys. Would you like to keep running this in public rooms or should we go private? Having randoms drop in, try to run them through the rules and waiting on them to find/get the right cars takes away from track time at best. However, we did have a couple of good experiences this past week as two fellows that joined us seemed to know the game already and meshed well. I personally am split on the subject. Setting up teams would be easier and chaos kept to a minimal, but we may be able to get bigger fields leaving it open.
On to business shall we? To touch on the subjects you brought up Lessen, we have had a fair bit of consistency in the group. Die, yourself, coach, me and a few others, we are regular. So I think we can build at least two, possibly 3 teams of 3, and rotate every Tuesday. Or perhaps once a "season," if you all are of a mind. I've talked with Zer0 and was given the OK to run on SNAIL once a month, during the tour car events off week. So, my idea is that we can get 3 weeks running some "scrimmage" events or if we have enough teams, do some sort of competition through the month with that one SNAIL event run as a sort of championship main event. I like the notion of teams, especially when it comes to getting things organized before the night starts. For all of my patience, I don't like waiting. So getting people to show up with the right cars and in the right colors would be awesome, and allow us to get more track time, instead of waiting for someone to jump out and grab something, then head back in. As for the cat issues. As much as you guys may want a "vague" PP range, I have been considering just restricting it to a few cars. every week we kinda "float" the PP range as it is already. But still we have people show up and we have to span it a bit more to include more people. I would rather just have a set list and say, get one of these three cars to use instead. I think this will head off most of the "will this car work?" issues.
Head count will be 3 to a team as default, however it is mostly based on participation. We ran a 4 on 4 last week, because 2 full teams I feel is better that 2 teams of 3 with 2 tom cats, and 4 teams of 2 doesn't work well. Boost will stay at low. Its nice to have when you are the mouse that is way back. I want the finishes to be very close. The only point of this event is fun, something I would like to maximize.
We already try to coordinate colors as much as possible right now, so I don't think it really needs to be discussed, as it is something we are striving for anyway.
Now my question to you guys. Would you like to keep running this in public rooms or should we go private? Having randoms drop in, try to run them through the rules and waiting on them to find/get the right cars takes away from track time at best. However, we did have a couple of good experiences this past week as two fellows that joined us seemed to know the game already and meshed well. I personally am split on the subject. Setting up teams would be easier and chaos kept to a minimal, but we may be able to get bigger fields leaving it open.
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- cambridge
- Birdy1084
- I like the set list of cars then I don't have to go threw the garage finding "the best" cars for this event. As we find good cars we can add them to the list of allowed.
- I like the idea of the colour pallet it does help differentiate the teams.
- as for the set teams if we can get people confirmed every week that would be great gets some of the confusion out of the start of the night, team captains works too but then you got to still have non captains buy the different cars in the different colours. But then it could be a quicker school yard pick
- I like the boost on low keeps the racing interesting and the pack together which C&M is all about!
- as for the snail thing I'm interested in the racing and not particularity interested in being the bastard child of snail but I'll go where the racing is good and the mikes is plentiful!
- 2,782
- Washington
- GrimGrnninGhost
Id be happy to help promote the event on the off weeks of the TCS in the TCS thread as a way of letting off steam (so to speak). We run 4 weeks then have a week off between seasons. The next off week is 2/3/15 so if you decide this will work, I'll do what I can to help out. Just let me know.
- 4,566
- Ohio
- Lessenjr
Good to see some solid development here.
I do have to say that I'm not a fan of a short list though. That might be a spoiler for me personally. I enjoy an open pick. The variety is cool and I like the strategy game of what car will work best for me.
I'm racking my brain trying to come up with some ideas of structure so the night will flow better.
I do have to say that I'm not a fan of a short list though. That might be a spoiler for me personally. I enjoy an open pick. The variety is cool and I like the strategy game of what car will work best for me.
I'm racking my brain trying to come up with some ideas of structure so the night will flow better.
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- Rallywgn81
The only way to get it to flow better is to have consistent grids with people prepared with either teams, or a slew of cars running different colors. I feel we definitely have enough to create some teams now. If it worked a bit more like GT5, we wouldn't even need to worry about cars either. Being able to select a number of different cars from the recommended list was pretty useful for this. Anyway, all the juggling with the PP and everything is getting tedious and destracting from the event I think, and considering the fact that in any given PP range there will only be a few usable cars, I am more apt to just create a car list for cats. Sorry Les, I hope its not a deal breaker, since the game is the same, but for the good of the group as well as the easy of running and planning for the event, I feel this is best. I'll try and get that list put together this evening.
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- Canada
- Ch11chcftzp
I like the idea of a list of cars to use. Saves time.
I like the set team concept and colours.needs commitment.
I like that there are no real rules.
I like ice cream, who doesn't.
I like the set team concept and colours.needs commitment.
I like that there are no real rules.
I like ice cream, who doesn't.
- 4,566
- Ohio
- Lessenjr
@Rallywagon
Can we set in stone the five "allowable" team colors? The five I suggested were based on contrast and likeliness to look similar.
Can we set in stone the five "allowable" team colors? The five I suggested were based on contrast and likeliness to look similar.
- 7,689
- Michigan
- Rallywgn81
If we set teams, then teams can set their own colors as the please, I only ask they post it up. first come first served and all that.
That being said, for the sake of last minute brouhaha and all that, Blue, Red, Green, Yellow, Black.
That being said, for the sake of last minute brouhaha and all that, Blue, Red, Green, Yellow, Black.
- 7,689
- Michigan
- Rallywgn81
Alright everyone. The OP is updated with the eligible list of cat cars. I am also looking at setting up teams now to, anyone interested in being on a team say so here. I will generate them. Let me know if you guys would like to run teams for a month season or generate new teams every Tuesday?
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- cambridge
- Birdy1084
why not trying setting teams based on snail roster for the season and go from there
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- Rallywgn81
It woul dbe nice if we had the option to create "folders" kinda like the favorites option in the garage. THis way I could keep the C&M cars separate from the SNAIL cars and so on.
- 4,566
- Ohio
- Lessenjr
Yep. Since I just bought a whole lot of C&M cars their all in a string except for a couple I've had laying around and from the first night.
I'll be staying away from the R8 though, that thing is evil unless I turn down the steering sensitivity on the DS3.
Nice collection though @Rallywagon I've got 5 each of the M5, Avant, and Viper. Probably grab 5 of the KTM. Yeah, I think I'll do that now. (I'm off work today!)
Hmmm. Would you consider swapping out the KTM for some other lightweight nimble street course car? Although it can be painted, there's no painted bodywork at the rear of the car at all.
Might I suggest the Renaultsport Megane Trophy Base '11. It's slightly lower on PP (518 after oil) but is similar in that it doesn't have a ton of HP and is light like the KTM. Both cars are significantly slower (yet comparable to each other) in a straight line than the Viper and R8 anyways.
I'll be staying away from the R8 though, that thing is evil unless I turn down the steering sensitivity on the DS3.
Nice collection though @Rallywagon I've got 5 each of the M5, Avant, and Viper. Probably grab 5 of the KTM. Yeah, I think I'll do that now. (I'm off work today!)
Hmmm. Would you consider swapping out the KTM for some other lightweight nimble street course car? Although it can be painted, there's no painted bodywork at the rear of the car at all.
Might I suggest the Renaultsport Megane Trophy Base '11. It's slightly lower on PP (518 after oil) but is similar in that it doesn't have a ton of HP and is light like the KTM. Both cars are significantly slower (yet comparable to each other) in a straight line than the Viper and R8 anyways.
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Les, the reason I passed, and will continue to pass, on the Megane is that it doesn't meet the qualifications of being a street car. The only car the can be race based is the Tom Cat. I would like to keep the rest street cars only. I do feel ya about the back of the KTM, however, if you are seeing the back of a car and your a mouse, chances are really good its because they are trying to stop you.
As for teams, without more people coming on and saying they are going to be there, I am hesitant to make teams. I don't want there to be issues with 1 or two people not showing on a team, so for now, lets all fill up on some rides and colors and plan for a placer race tomorrow night.
As for teams, without more people coming on and saying they are going to be there, I am hesitant to make teams. I don't want there to be issues with 1 or two people not showing on a team, so for now, lets all fill up on some rides and colors and plan for a placer race tomorrow night.
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Meow! I'm going to make sure I have my garage ready to roll tonight!
Time and Location: Doors open at 8:30 PM EST. Racing starts when all teams enter the track or 9:00 PM is reached. Held in the KaWerks Club Lounge.
Cars:
Mouse:
Time and Location: Doors open at 8:30 PM EST. Racing starts when all teams enter the track or 9:00 PM is reached. Held in the KaWerks Club Lounge.
Cars:
Mouse:
- Honda Beat '91
- Suzuki Cervo SR '07
- Daihatsu Copen Active Top '02
- BMW M5 '08
- KTM X-Bow Street '12
- Audi R8 4.2 FSI R tronic '07
- Audi RS 6 Avant '08
- Dodge Viper GTS '02
- Any Car 600 PP and above.
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