Kony 2012
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Human Rights Watch on Kony2012.
You have a weird sense of "Wrong", where there are subjective things in judgment, there are things that are always wrong independent of culture. Please take something like that to the Human Rights thread.
You have a weird sense of "Wrong", where there are subjective things in judgment, there are things that are always wrong independent of culture. Please take something like that to the Human Rights thread.
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Unfortunately, the video posted by Moglet has been taken down due to a copyright violation. Here's the same video from the producers, Channel 4, as it could bear reposting...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om17yHZrXtE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om17yHZrXtE
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Am I the only one who's under the impression that the "activists" have lost their interest in the Kony 2012 campaign? Not that I'm suprised, though; it came out of nowhere and people started to become aware of Uganda because of a marketing trick. Stuff like that never lasts long, does it?
Like any other advertise on TV. No matter how clever it seems when you see it for the first time, it gets old pretty fast.
Like any other advertise on TV. No matter how clever it seems when you see it for the first time, it gets old pretty fast.
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Interesting twist.
Kony: Sovereignty in his jungle?
Uganda armed forces: Sovereignty in their country?
Sovereignty to me follows out of a respect of rights, that makes people liable towards you. Violation of rights makes you lose sovereignty, always.
Sovereignty is also based on property rights, I have major issues with how people think about land as property.
@Touring Mars: that one is taken down as well. Freedom of .... removing things from youtube it seems.
but you can still find it on the net.
On that video:
=> it does discredit the IC execution capability, but IMHO even the "Kony2012" video does.
=> it talks beside the point, for me the point remains: Sending a message to Africa about the world not accepting Human Rights violations.
=> it does similar sins as what it criticizes: People argue the Kony2012 video does more harm then good,... (then silent on what they mean with that).
It is clear that the best thing would be that the coalition of Ugandan, Congolese, Central African and South Sudanese would be able to guarantee safety of people living in that zone of the world. It is not clear what the best help from the west is to reach this (the coalition seems not to ask), but similar to fighting mafia, to stop the highest in command will weaken the "criminal" organizations most. Why not start with Kony.
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Embedding's not enabled on it, but it works on YouTube. It should work, considering it was posted by programme makers themselves!
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Did the campaign not get what it wanted, attention to put pressure on the politicians? Hopefully it even reached some African Warlords.
However, it will not have changed a lot in practice, I wonder if the big day in April is going to revive the action. I hope some (African) youngsters have found inspiration to keep on fighting for the rights off all out of this.
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- HamiltonMP427
It lost plenty of steam, especially after the co-founder had his break down. However, I think it would have come to this with that or without it.
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It seems they are trying to steam up again, I'll watch it tonight.
wonder if they learned from the first round?
wonder if they learned from the first round?
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Why, because they don't give all of the money they raise to Uganda?
You obviously have no idea how an advocacy group works. How, exactly, are Invisible Children supposed to travel around the country raising awareness of the issue if they have no money to pay for fuel?
Face it, the only reason why people are looking critically at the KONY 2012 video is because it went viral, and while those people feel bad about what is happening, they don't want to do anything about it - so they go looking for excuses not to.
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Added to that, a sizeable amount of supporters are people who go on Facebook to "like" a photo because that will "get Kony arrested sooner" when clearly that does very little (if anything) to the situation at hand.
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The fact that they keep 2/3's of all donations isn't what bothers me (Although that is a bit much according to some). No, what bothers me is that this is just the tip of the iceberg. I agree that Kony is a terrible person who should be brought to justice, but he's just one of many. There are multitude of issues in Uganda, let alone Africa, that the Invisible Children Organization could have chosen to address. However, given the emotional reaction that the Kony story provokes, they chose this one. Also, they ask for military action/assistance. This would be at the cost of our tax dollars, and I'd rather not support such an action due to the fact that they almost never fully succeed solving the problem to begin with.
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I believe that the 30% figure is sourced from IC. Apparently they refuse to give out their actual financial figures to any organizations or people.
And besides, have you seen the videos they use the money on? It's stuff like High School Musical Activism Edition and some ridiculous fantasy with people riding on vans in the desert...
And besides, have you seen the videos they use the money on? It's stuff like High School Musical Activism Edition and some ridiculous fantasy with people riding on vans in the desert...
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Kony pros:
Got a message out to the world
Raised huge awareness
Possibly something more will be done
Yes low % given from profits but at least it's something.
Kony cons:
Not one actually African on their team
Lied about Kony fighting for no reason
Lied about how he is equally bad as Hitler in scale
Lied about how Kony is terrorizing Uganda now while he is barely there anymore
Giving very low % of the profits
Spending profits on high budget movies since they are all film makers
Telling people to vandalize by writing Kony or putting stickers which they sell in public streets
Giving some of the profits to Ugandan military while the military has been caught doing exactly the same things as Kony does
Making it seem like "the white man" will come save everyone
Simplifying a very complicated issue and not giving all the facts
These are the problems people have with invisible children. The actual stopping of Kony I think we can all agree that yes it would be a good idea to stop him, but donating to this particular charity doesn't help much.
Edit: lol idk why it made a weird mark infront I put the dot thing so it would look like each one is a point
Got a message out to the world
Raised huge awareness
Possibly something more will be done
Yes low % given from profits but at least it's something.
Kony cons:
Not one actually African on their team
Lied about Kony fighting for no reason
Lied about how he is equally bad as Hitler in scale
Lied about how Kony is terrorizing Uganda now while he is barely there anymore
Giving very low % of the profits
Spending profits on high budget movies since they are all film makers
Telling people to vandalize by writing Kony or putting stickers which they sell in public streets
Giving some of the profits to Ugandan military while the military has been caught doing exactly the same things as Kony does
Making it seem like "the white man" will come save everyone
Simplifying a very complicated issue and not giving all the facts
These are the problems people have with invisible children. The actual stopping of Kony I think we can all agree that yes it would be a good idea to stop him, but donating to this particular charity doesn't help much.
Edit: lol idk why it made a weird mark infront I put the dot thing so it would look like each one is a point
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Wow, upon reading this, I thought it was a hoax. Very unbelievable that the co-founder of a major non-profit did this. But if you think about it, the amount of criticism from a viral video can force me to go haywire, but not to that extent. I guess people out there will do anything to contradict something as simple yet receive global popularity as Kony '12.
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I believe they did learn from the first round.
They did not avoid to include the critics, they included more local faces, they changed their message.
...The ending ticked me off, again.
Partially agree, the message before showed that the pressure by the "ignorant" white children has lead to a more focused action by African leaders (I was unable to confirm this by other sources) to handle the issue, something where the African forces probably want support from the rest of the world.
What got me is:
1) they changed so much in line of the critics, proving the critics were justified.
2) the man of the international court is the same, is this the only one man there supporting this?
3) Including more African speakers was good, but it is clear the message still has the US as target.
4) the removed the clear message that they ask money for their packs, actually the money part is the only thing that became more obscure.
=> I still believe that a focused action (why not kony) and international support is the best way to reach something.
=> I still regret that people that say this action is no good are not calling for alternative action (focused and supported, without stealing IC effort).
=> I still regret the IC pretends to do so much, where they are the pressure group. The (very partial) solution will come from Africans using the support this pressure gives them.
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Once this issue is addressed, there will be one less in Uganda. And Invisible Children can pick another one and start working on it. "There's a whole lot of issues in Uganda, so why start with this one?" isn't a valid argument, because it can be applied to any issue the country is facing, and ultimately achieves nothing. But if anything is going to be achieved, you have to start somewhere. Kony is as good as any.
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Too bad that they're talking about an issue that officials and locals have said is one that is not really an issue at all anymore. So how could it be one less issue due to the help of IC? Especially when they were late to the scene. That's like saying they're helping prevent WWII, two years after the last troops left (figurative). How is Kony as good as any if reports local and international say he is no longer there and if even alive (locals say he's been dead) he is most likely in Sudan. Why start with Kony when the Uganad forces should be addressed instead. If the infrastructure isn't sound not too much head way will be made.
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I like how, in the video it tells us to use "common sense". 
It's amazing how daft some can be. In the first video the Kony 2012 thing seems to supports vandalism. I guess after trial and error that doesn't really seem to bring out a positive message 
. No matter what happens I just know that the guy behind this is a nutcase and I will always be reminded of when he ran around naked supposedly "masturbating". For me, that's the final nail in the coffin (as well as disabling their comments in their second video).
It's amazing how daft some can be. In the first video the Kony 2012 thing seems to supports vandalism. I guess after trial and error that doesn't really seem to bring out a positive message . No matter what happens I just know that the guy behind this is a nutcase and I will always be reminded of when he ran around naked supposedly "masturbating". For me, that's the final nail in the coffin (as well as disabling their comments in their second video).
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Be realistic now. When has military intervention by a foreign country ever worked in regards to catching a war criminal? And even if it does work, who's to say someone won't simply take his place?
I explained why they decided to "start with this one".
I'd rather not pay for such. If one wants to donate, go right ahead.
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Well, it turns out that the KONY 2012 creators are actually spies working for the Ugandan government. This is coming directly from Wikileaks.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/10042012-kony-2012-creators-spied-for-uganda-according-to-wikileaks/
http://www.eurasiareview.com/10042012-kony-2012-creators-spied-for-uganda-according-to-wikileaks/
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Odd, you would think it coming from Wikileaks would mean it would be featured on Wikileaks' website.
Remember, just because it's on the Internet, doesn't mean it's true.
