Kubica injured in rally crash - Now rallying again...

Looking bad for this season, with still risk for his entire career:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89315
As well as multiple fractures to his right arm, leg and hand, of more immediate concern was his partially severed right hand.

There were fears that the hand may have had to be amputated, but doctors managed to reattach the blood supply during a lengthy operation and are hoping the repair will be successful.

Doctor Igor Rossello, who is a hand specialist, told local media on Sunday night that it would take several days for doctors to assess the success of the operation - and warned that Kubica could need up to one year to recover.

"We need to wait for a week at least to verify whether the hand survives," Dr Rossello was quoted as saying by Italian media. "The nerve lesions are the ones that leave us with the most question marks over the recovery of functions.

"Rehabilitation will be relatively long, probably one year. He came here with multiple traumas, with several associated injuries. He won't necessarily have to undergo further surgery on the hand, but he will if needed."

Dr Rossello said that he expected it would take at least 12 months before Kubica would be able to drive an F1 car again - although he admitted racing drivers often recovered from injury far quicker than predicted.
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I was really looking forward to seeing him race after the performances he put in last season. Now he may never be the same again. :nervous: And he can't really challenge for the title this season.
 
Damn this sucks for Robert but I'm sure he'll make a full recovery.





blaaah
You don't understand sport then, Bruno will be delighted to take the racing seat even if Kubica died. You realise it's possible to have something called "mixed emotions", you feel sad at a loss, but also elated at a wonderful opportunity. This is exactly what David Couthald felt when Senna died and he was given Senna's seat in the Williams F1 car, he was thrilled to have the chance.
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I agree whoever it is who takes his place will obviously feel good about the drive but at the same time as a human being you feel bad but that's racing all pro drivers know the risk they also are very competitive people very much. So whoever takes his place will appreciate it gladly.

The guy broke some bones and almost lost his hand he'll be alright it ain't the end of the world.
 
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I don't think it was serious - it was just an Italian newspaper blowing things out of proportion.
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Seeing that his hand was partially severed, later revascularized and nerves repaired (by a hand specialist surgeon professor no less) I'd say gangrene wasn't far from becoming a reality. That is serious and could easily have led into an amputation had more time been lost.
 
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I don't think it was serious - it was just an Italian newspaper blowing things out of proportion.
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I think it is serious as it will take a few days to get an idea on how well his right hand will recover. If one year is best case scenario at the moment to have his hand fully recovered then imagine if there are complications.

It is hard to believe he will most likely miss the whole reason and maybe more. Only a few days ago I saw this interview of him:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9387707.stm

He was talking about two rallies he did after the 2010 season and then I see the news today that he has been injured in a rally. I thought he would have been concentrating on the 2011 car with the 2nd test coming up so soon.
 
saidur_ali
I think it is serious as it will take a few days to get an idea on how well his right hand will recover.
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No, I mean I don't think the reports about his hand possibly being amputated were serious. Most of the reports variously claimed injuries to his writs, hand, arm, leg or any combination thereof. It was one or two Italian newspapers that claimed his hand would need to be amputated.
 
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No, I mean I don't think the reports about his hand possibly being amputated were serious. Most of the reports variously claimed injuries to his writs, hand, arm, leg or any combination thereof. It was one or two Italian newspapers that claimed his hand would need to be amputated.
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I see what you mean now but he did have arm and leg fractures. I was hoping the amputation rumours were not true but I can see why some the media would use the most extreme example. His hand is severely injured though and initially losing functionality of his hand is close to the speculation of amputation.
 
What I read is that it will be a week before they know absolutely about whether his hand will survive/heal properly, It is the most logical statement and I stand by it.

Wishing him a full recovery.

Lastly, #@*$ everyone who has disrespected Kubica, Petrov and Senna in this thread.
 
Hun200kmh
Two pics. One is a "montage" trying to show how/where the rail entered the car. It's not that good though, because it almost seems the rail entered to the left of Kubica, and we know it was his right leg, arm and hand that were affected.

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Here's an actual picture of it http://www.gry-online.pl/Galeria/Forum/2/350348059.jpg ,Warning Robert is still in the car in that picture so don't click if you don't want to see.
 
Professor Mario Igor Rossello
At the end of the operation, Robert’s hand was well vascularised and warm, which is encouraging. Following the surgery, Robert Kubica will remain under permanent monitoring overnight because his condition remains serious.
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This is very encouraging! More updates will come tomorrow... Eric Boullier and Vitaly Petrov will made their way to Italy tomorrow.
 
Wygonin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbxMiwf4nw&feature=player_embedded
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:nervous:
I was quite shocked when I first found this had happened last night, I was looking forward to seeing Kubica's performance this year, especially in the interesting design the Renault team came forward with....

But it's not going to happen now, maybe B.Senna will get a chance to show his real pace, but that is the only small upside to this.... Kubica, would have given us a good few exciting moments if he had not had this happen. :guilty:

I refrain to note, but as they pass the wreck, the impacted pole is going through and coming out the boot/rear of the car..... How fast did they hit!?

I truely wish Kubica a speedy recovery, infact, I believe he is lucky to be alive! :scared:
 
From another forum:

Someone on another forum translated the the final thing the Italian driver says in that video as "I knew he would crash here". The place may have been known to local drivers as dangerous, perhaps due to the bump in the road.
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I'm not very familiar with rally classes and regulations, but beyond the roll cage do cars need to have crumple and safe zones in the front of the car?

I'm thinking something like a survival cell or something of sorts.

Because I find it extremely dangerous the way the guard rail almost got him in a direct hit, which could've led to more serious consequences.

Hope he gets well soon.
 
Stradivis
Because I find it extremely dangerous the way the guard rail almost got him in a direct hit, which could've led to more serious consequences.
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Rally cars do have standardised survival cells. The problem is that with the precise combination of factors, there is very little that can be done. And the number and complexity of factors mean that it is impossible to predict them and plan for them. Look at the death of Henry Surtees, for example - he was struck by a tyre while travelling at speed. In order for that to happen, Surtees had to be in an exact position on the road and travelling at a certain speed, while the car that threw a tyre also had to hit the wall at an angle and at a certain speed in order to throw the tyre in its arc. These combinations are so rare that they are impossible to predict. The same thing happened here.
 
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Look at the death of Henry Surtees, for example - he was struck by a tyre while travelling at speed. In order for that to happen, Surtees had to be in an exact position on the road and travelling at a certain speed, while the car that threw a tyre also had to hit the wall at an angle and at a certain speed in order to throw the tyre in its arc. These combinations are so rare that they are impossible to predict. The same thing happened here.
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Or Massa's accident at Hungary.

Wygonin
From another forum:Someone on another forum translated the the final thing the Italian driver says in that video as "I knew he would crash here". The place may have been known to local drivers as dangerous, perhaps due to the bump in the road.
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I also noticed that the driver, while being pushed by his co-driver to go faster, said that the road was very slippery.
 
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Rally cars do have standardised survival cells. The problem is that with the precise combination of factors, there is very little that can be done. And the number and complexity of factors mean that it is impossible to predict them and plan for them. Look at the death of Henry Surtees, for example - he was struck by a tyre while travelling at speed. In order for that to happen, Surtees had to be in an exact position on the road and travelling at a certain speed, while the car that threw a tyre also had to hit the wall at an angle and at a certain speed in order to throw the tyre in its arc. These combinations are so rare that they are impossible to predict. The same thing happened here.
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Yeah,well said interludes,i was about to say the same thing... 👍

Also ,this is just one of these bad luck things...

If this guard rail would have entered the car a couple of inches different it could have been either:

1:missed Kubica's body and the hole story would have been ;wow,Kubica had a crash,but isn't hurt so lucky him...

2:hit Kubica fatally;worst scenario...very bad luck.

3:what actually happened;he is sadly badly hurt,but he will live and most probably heal well enough to continiue his beloved sport...very lucky.


As interludes discribed well,there is and will always be the unforeseen(luck/bad luck) factor in any motorsport(Massa,Senna,Zanardi,etc etc etc)in which you just can't totally protect the drivers/co pilotes/fans and crowd who are watching it...

But thats the dangerous part in it we all love...it sounds wierd i know,but if motorsports would be 100% safe,it would become very boring,and wouldn't be the adrenaline rush the drivers are addicted to...and also us sitting on the edge of our seats at home in front of the TV watching it and enjoying it... 👍


Lets just hope and pray for Robert that he will have a swift and well enough recovery so we and him can enjoy motorsport again a.s.a.p. :)


spy.
 
I doubt there is much they can do with the design of a rally car to stop a metal rail stabbing through without making it a tank. The way to prevent it happening again is not rallying on or changing that piece of road. However, if we were to not rally on stages with dangers like this, there would be no more rallying....
Its amazing that such concerns haven't banned the motorbike road-racing on the Isle of Man and in Ireland yet.
 
Perhaps then the design and position of the barrier needs a rethink? Although it could again be down to him hitting it at a very unlikely angle.

Get well soon Robert. 👍
 
Piket
Or Massa's accident at Hungary.
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True. Surtees' death was just the first accident that came to mind. The best example is actually Jacques Villeneuve's accident in Melbourne, the one that killed that marshall - the tyre tht killed him was 46cm wide; the gap in the fence was 47cm.
 
Good news from Polish press - a moment ago doctors said that Robert is making a progress. He is conscious, recognise ppl with who is chatting to, and is coming extraordinary fast to good health condition. Although still this season for him is in a doubt, but i believe that we saw the same situation after Canadian GP, when he came back really fast to racing, I know this is more serious, but Robert as a Polish is very strong in both mentally and phisically way ;)
 
F3niX
Good news from Polish press - a moment ago doctors said that Robert is making a progress. He is conscious, recognise ppl with who is chatting to, and is coming extraordinary fast to good health condition. Although still this season for him is in a doubt, but i believe that we saw the same situation after Canadian GP, when he came back really fast to racing, I know this is more serious, but Robert as a Polish is very strong in both mentally and phisically way ;)
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The recent update on the Lotus Renault site mentions Kubica being able to move his fingers as well. That's extremely good news.
 
F3niX
Good news from Polish press - a moment ago doctors said that Robert is making a progress. He is conscious, recognise ppl with who is chatting to, and is coming extraordinary fast to good health condition. Although still this season for him is in a doubt, but i believe that we saw the same situation after Canadian GP, when he came back really fast to racing, I know this is more serious, but Robert as a Polish is very strong in both mentally and phisically way ;)
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Yeah man Slavic people are beast! 👍:lol:
 
Its not only great to hear that Kubica is getting better, but to move his fingers is a good sign of recovering. 👍 But its not over yet though, as he might need to go for another surgery to treat his elbow and shoulder fractures in the next couple of days at least. On another note, this is good news for him as well:

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Renault: Far too early to discuss replacements

Lotus Renault GP has stressed that a replacement driver is currently the last thing in mind, with Robert Kubica lying seriously ill in an Italian hospital on Monday following his freak accident in Sunday morning’s opening stage of the Ronda di Andora club rally in Italy.

As photographs and video footage have revealed on Monday, Kubica’s Skoda Fabia struck a metal roadside barrier, which penetrated its radiator grill before passing through the cockpit – severely injuring Kubica’s right hand, arm and leg – before emerging from the boot lid of the car.

Although co-driver Jakub Gerber was able to walk away, Kubica is believed to have been trapped in the car for up to one hour before undergoing a seven-hour operation in the Santa Corona Hospital in Pietra Ligure.

After being placed into an induced coma on Sunday night, when he was visited by Fernando Alonso, the Pole was woken on Monday morning and spoke with manager Daniel Morelli plus relatives.

“He has briefly woken up but he will be put under medication for the next 24 hours,” a Lotus Renault GP team spokesperson explained to GPUpdate.net. “Here at the factory we are keeping everyone informed.”

With a selection of fans on Twitter now asking which driver could replace the injured Kubica, the Enstone-based team are unable to say at present.

“It’s far too early to be thinking about that at this stage,” the spokesperson continued. “Bahrain is five weeks away, so there is plenty of time for the team to make a decision and it would be indecent of us to make that decision, with Robert being the primary concern at this moment.”
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http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/252133/renault-far-too-early-to-discuss-replacements/
 

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