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Ah. Funny. (Honestly, no sarcasm)
Kubica injured in rally crash - Now rallying again...
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Ah. Funny. (Honestly, no sarcasm)
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- astrosdude91
Perhaps it's too soon to be making Kubica related jokes.
Anyways, the team does need a replacement while Kubica is out. Since it will most likely be all season, they'll most likely bring someone in. The only two candidates I see as being the best fit for the job who don't already have an F1 seat are Heidfeld and Raikkonen. Kimi is the closest match to Kubica's skill, but since he's already committed to another WRC season, it would have to be Heidfeld.
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(this is not a reply to the above post)
It has been 2 days, and things are looking good for Kubica. I think it would be ok to discuss LRGP's plans to fill his seat until his return, as LRGP have already mentioned not ruling out hiring a somewhat proven driver or better, I will put the question though if it should be done in this thread or a new thread. (if at all, a slight ammendment to the thread title perhaps)
It has been 2 days, and things are looking good for Kubica. I think it would be ok to discuss LRGP's plans to fill his seat until his return, as LRGP have already mentioned not ruling out hiring a somewhat proven driver or better, I will put the question though if it should be done in this thread or a new thread. (if at all, a slight ammendment to the thread title perhaps)
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- astrosdude91
Yes, if the team is talking about it at this point, I think it's appropriate for the general public to talk about it. And since it is part of the fallout from Kubica's accident, I think this thread is ok for this discussion. But I'm not I moderator, so it's not my call.
Though, bottem line before anything else. The most important thing is that Robert makes a full recovery with as few complications as possible.👍
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A joke can be said any time I already made mine on post 145.
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The co-driver involved in the accident is saying the FIA need to design new rally cars to protect the cockpit.
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blaaah
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Of course, many jokes are bad taste and at the expense of others.
But we are not at his bedside and the joke is not meant for him or those who know him.
And those who know him or even he himself might love Star Wars and find great spirit in the humour and raise a smile even when in pain. I would rather have someone visit me in hospital ready to tell a joke rather than one with false frowns and sympathy. Anyway after saying I think my joke is tasteful, there is justified humour in frank bad taste it's part of our culture as humans. Separate are the things said in life of which their only purpose is to cause hurt, with no cheerfulness intended. Humour is a fine line though, and there is no problem with that. It has many forms, it still exists today in a primal mostly harmful intent. Evolving from the observed misfortune of others and sharing in that observation to strengthen social bonds in those who felt they were in the privileged place. I can imagine early joke/humour coming from comments of tribesmen catching a member of another tribe alone and them beating him to death and finding it hilarious and very social and good. Humour in the end is for the greater good, if it falls on ears that don't appreciate it then so be it, but there are other ears that do. Depends on sense of humour as we call it today. Fortunately we are less inclined to kill people and find it funny and socially uplifting these days. But violent youth gangs on the streets are echoes of our ancestral past.
Just thought I would say...
But we are not at his bedside and the joke is not meant for him or those who know him.
And those who know him or even he himself might love Star Wars and find great spirit in the humour and raise a smile even when in pain. I would rather have someone visit me in hospital ready to tell a joke rather than one with false frowns and sympathy. Anyway after saying I think my joke is tasteful, there is justified humour in frank bad taste it's part of our culture as humans. Separate are the things said in life of which their only purpose is to cause hurt, with no cheerfulness intended. Humour is a fine line though, and there is no problem with that. It has many forms, it still exists today in a primal mostly harmful intent. Evolving from the observed misfortune of others and sharing in that observation to strengthen social bonds in those who felt they were in the privileged place. I can imagine early joke/humour coming from comments of tribesmen catching a member of another tribe alone and them beating him to death and finding it hilarious and very social and good. Humour in the end is for the greater good, if it falls on ears that don't appreciate it then so be it, but there are other ears that do. Depends on sense of humour as we call it today. Fortunately we are less inclined to kill people and find it funny and socially uplifting these days. But violent youth gangs on the streets are echoes of our ancestral past.
Just thought I would say...
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- Burnout_PT
I was just reading his statements.
It kept bugging me how fast he had to be going to do what I said previously, and the speed you can see in the video from Moreno is no where near it. So I've been digging deeper and by reviewing earlier co-pilot statements (or their translations...) it becomes very clear. He said there were two separate sections of guardrail. They hit the first and then were aimed straight into the second one.
He said that there was an opening that made no sense (on purpose or a fallen piece, I don't know) and he criticized the organization for all those rails we can see in the video.
So, the "killer guard-rail" it was. They should ban those death traps.
Safety, although it can and should always improve, is pretty good for "proper" rally crashes:
Let's just hope something good comes out of this.
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- Ardius_
Problem is, its sometimes difficult to tell if someone's "humour" is indeed humour or an actual attack on someone. In a circumstance like this, you are more likely to start an argument with those who do not read your humour, and what is the greater good in that?
Especially as this is the internet and all, where the expression and meaning of words can be lost.
I don't see why its necessary to make these comments, why can't the discussion be left at "I hope Robert recovers", "Get better Kubica!", etc?
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Computer simulation of Kubica's accident:
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/videos/752/computer-simulation-of-kubica-s-accident/
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/videos/752/computer-simulation-of-kubica-s-accident/
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The car was not going fast enough to open the gap, but since it was already there, the car dynamics on that simulation is perfect 👍
That co-pilot statement was more or less complete in several sites, since many sites/press preferred to say "hit a church", "amputated" and other bombshells rather than posting real info. But here is one, in English:
http://www.ssportsnews.com/kubica-crash-co-pilot-says-that-injured-f1-star.html
Where you can read:
“After skidding car leaned against the railing and pushed outward. Then it crashed against the security fence following,”
Gerber said it took emergency crews over a half hour to clean the remains of Kubica. He criticized the gap between the guardrails, which led to the second section of the penetration of the car and called for greater protection around the cockpit.
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There is an image from today's "the SUN" that shows it from the front (which can't be used without permission, otherwise I'd post it directly):
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...8212/Robert-Kubica-fights-to-save-career.html
THAT is how dangerous open end guard-rails are.
That co-pilot statement was more or less complete in several sites, since many sites/press preferred to say "hit a church", "amputated" and other bombshells rather than posting real info. But here is one, in English:
http://www.ssportsnews.com/kubica-crash-co-pilot-says-that-injured-f1-star.html
Where you can read:
“After skidding car leaned against the railing and pushed outward. Then it crashed against the security fence following,”
Gerber said it took emergency crews over a half hour to clean the remains of Kubica. He criticized the gap between the guardrails, which led to the second section of the penetration of the car and called for greater protection around the cockpit.
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There is an image from today's "the SUN" that shows it from the front (which can't be used without permission, otherwise I'd post it directly):
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...8212/Robert-Kubica-fights-to-save-career.html
THAT is how dangerous open end guard-rails are.
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He probably did, but not this time
LOL
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Now seriously, some concrete and good news, from:
http://www.lotusrenaultgp.com/spip.php?article3982
08/02/2010 - Update on Robert Kubica:
Today, Robert’s general condition has once again improved. According to the doctors, the levels of inflammation are in the norm considering his medical condition, and the recovery of his forearm remains encouraging.
Yesterday, Robert was able to talk to his doctors and relatives. His medication makes him sleep quite a lot, but he is responding to all external stimulation. He has reacted well to the news about his condition and is ready to fight for his comeback.
On Thursday, Robert should undergo some more surgery in order to stabilise the fractures to his right shoulder and right foot. Three or four days later, another operation will allow his elbow fracture to be stabilised as well.
Robert will remain at the Santa Corona Hospital for two to three weeks. A decision will then be taken about where he should go in order to continue his rehabilitation.
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some more pix from the crash on a polish site http://sport.onet.pl/fotoreportaze/samochod-kubicy-po-wypadku,4168617,8686723,fotoreportaz-maly.html
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That's good to hear, hopefully he'll be back to good health soon.
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News
Lotus-Renault confirmed that Kubica will undergo surgery within days
Doctors will take care of fractures in the shoulder, leg and right elbow of the Polish
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Lotus-Renault confirmed on Tuesday that Robert Kubica will have to undergo further surgery in the coming days after the good outcome of treatment. After the serious accident on Sunday and the operation of more than seven hours at the Hospital Santa Corona in Pietra Ligure town for the reconstruction of his right hand, he should still get an extra three days in the ICU. In the speech, scheduled for Thursday, doctors will take care of fractures in the shoulder and right foot polish. Three or four days after a new procedure will take care of the problem in the elbow.
You Can See pictures of the accident here
The doctors are optimistic about the improvement of Polish. They said the pilot of 26 years showed no infections after the long emergency operation and the recovery of hand and forearm are encouraging. The Polish and spoke to his parents and his manager on Monday and was visited by the chief Eric Boullier and fellow Russian Vitaly Petrov.
-- I am close to him as a colleague, but also as a friend. We do not talk about the accident, only about their health conditions. I really hope to see you again on the floor beside me. Robert is a great professional, a great pilot. We can not lose it - 'Vitaly Petrov
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I just watched the Singapore GP race replay this morning. It made me very sad to know I will not see him race this season watching him overtake 3 cars in the last 5 laps at the Marina Bay Circuit. This is such a tragedy. 
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I really hope it's Liuzzi. He's shown his worth and speed in F1 and deserves a good car. I remember a few seasons ago he was being hounded by the F1 media for his piercings. They don't make him slower, I don't see what the big deal was. Heidfeld has had his chance to shine in F1 and was, coincedentally enough, outshined by Kubica at BMW Sauber. He's a good driver, but not the best racer.
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Screw Liuzzi, he's had 3 chances now and he never shows anything beyond a few promising results.
Heidfeld is a far better driver than Liuzzi and he actually beat Kubica in 2007 and 2009. Heidfeld is faster, more consistent and more useful as a development driver than Liuzzi ever was.
Since when has Liuzzi shown that he is better than Heidfeld? Or even Senna? Since when has Liuzzi actually shown he deserves to even be in F1? He has shown promise occasionally with some speed. But this is not enough, what use is a driver who can only deliver one or two races each season?
I don't really mind if Senna or Heidfeld get the drive, either is worthy of the chance. For Senna, its a chance to see what he can really do in decent machinery and for Heidfeld he deserves a seat in F1 still, he at least deserves the chances Button gets.
But I can't help but laugh at the prospect of Renault fielding a Senna/Petrov line-up. It just sounds so risky if neither of them show anything. Passing off a safe bet like Heidfeld is pretty silly, I will be very surprised if Renault don't go for Quick Nick.
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As much as I don't like it, Liuzzi has really turned all teams off him because of 2010. The only reason Renault want him is because they need someone with experience, which Liuzzi has, as well as some skill. Liuzzi was a few points shy of Petrov in a car that's considerably slower. He's not especially talented, but he's good enough to be in F1, just needs to work on his consistency, his only problem.
As for Heidfield, I would love to see him back in F1, but he's only wanted for the same reason Liuzzi is, for experience and for at least a bit of skill. And I think that after this season, they'll just throw Nick out the door again. Same for Liuzzi. If Senna does okay, the team might consider keeping him, probably replacing Petrov, if he were to beat him. Senna's career can be made here, the other 2, not so much.
As for Heidfield, I would love to see him back in F1, but he's only wanted for the same reason Liuzzi is, for experience and for at least a bit of skill. And I think that after this season, they'll just throw Nick out the door again. Same for Liuzzi. If Senna does okay, the team might consider keeping him, probably replacing Petrov, if he were to beat him. Senna's career can be made here, the other 2, not so much.
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This is true, but I think Liuzzi has more raw speed than any of the other free agents. It's all subjective at this point. I don't want to argue.
Get well soon Kubica. I hope his upcoming surgeries are executed perfectly. I personally saw him as the next McLaren or Ferrari driver, possibly even champion, as soon as a seat became available.
Get well soon Kubica. I hope his upcoming surgeries are executed perfectly. I personally saw him as the next McLaren or Ferrari driver, possibly even champion, as soon as a seat became available.
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