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Kubica injured in rally crash - Now rallying again...
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But you got to remember though, Liuzzi has competed in F1 for several years with Red Bull and Toro Rosso while Petrov was still in his rookie season so its not really fair to compare their performance. I think Petrov did quite okay for his first season despite being heavily outpaced by Kubica, but I think he deserves another chance to prove himself!
As for Kubica's replacement, I think I will have to agree that Heidfeld would be a realistic choice rather than Senna or Hulkenberg.
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Luizzi will not get the job done.
If they hire Luizzi, he MUST outperform Petrov immediately (as must anyone who is to replace Kubica and isn't Senna), failure to do so would be humiliation for Luizzi and Renault. I'm sure Renault won't risk that.
Heidfeld is the clear choice, but I do believe they should avoid totally spitting in Senna's face.
Hulkenberg was never going to renault at any point last year or now.
If they hire Luizzi, he MUST outperform Petrov immediately (as must anyone who is to replace Kubica and isn't Senna), failure to do so would be humiliation for Luizzi and Renault. I'm sure Renault won't risk that.
Heidfeld is the clear choice, but I do believe they should avoid totally spitting in Senna's face.
Hulkenberg was never going to renault at any point last year or now.
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Indeed, which is why I doubt Liuzzi will get the seat. He may have the experience but past results can only show he wouldn't be good enough for Renault. (unless he proves otherwise) I was only suggesting Hulkenberg since he was quite good near the end of last season as well as some report that he "might" be included in the list as well. (but sadly I think the source is gone)
Anyhow, the realistic choices are now Senna, Heidfeld and Liuzzi. Will just have to wait until this Thursday to see who Renault might be testing... 👍
Heidfeld and Liuzzi in frame for Renault drive
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I personally don't see why Liuzzi is in contention. I am aware that a few people in the paddock have seen a certain side of him that the rest of us haven't and are convinced he is one of the best out there, but personally I'm not convinced.
I read this in Autosport magazine when Liuzzi was unveiled for Force India in 2010. The best option is Nick, unless renault want to develop their future drivers. From a commercial point of view, it makes sense putting someone in the car who can develop it and give good feedback, but despite beating Kubica in 2 seperate seasons, Nick will only extract what is there for the taking. He seems quite happy to sit back and extract the best possible result from the situation, whereas Kubica would aim higher.
Heidfeld seems to wait for an opportunity and more often than not, he'll take it. Robert creates opportunities for himself.
Senna would be an interesting choice, but for a team on the brink of a highly successful season, they would be daft to run a Senna/Petrov lineup. Perhaps they could give Bruno a few races at the start of the season but it's unlikely.
I read this in Autosport magazine when Liuzzi was unveiled for Force India in 2010. The best option is Nick, unless renault want to develop their future drivers. From a commercial point of view, it makes sense putting someone in the car who can develop it and give good feedback, but despite beating Kubica in 2 seperate seasons, Nick will only extract what is there for the taking. He seems quite happy to sit back and extract the best possible result from the situation, whereas Kubica would aim higher.
Heidfeld seems to wait for an opportunity and more often than not, he'll take it. Robert creates opportunities for himself.
Senna would be an interesting choice, but for a team on the brink of a highly successful season, they would be daft to run a Senna/Petrov lineup. Perhaps they could give Bruno a few races at the start of the season but it's unlikely.
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I'd like to see bruno get a chance, but i can't see how he could be chosen over nick. Bruno has never done anything in motorsport to show he is a real winner or a champion, his record shows that he is a good race driver, but sadly he is not ayrton senna.
I really hope Kubica recovers soon, he was one of the few drivers in Formula 1, with a really good chance of becoming world champ, exciting to watch.
I really hope Kubica recovers soon, he was one of the few drivers in Formula 1, with a really good chance of becoming world champ, exciting to watch.
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I hope he gets well soon. He's one of my favorites in F1.
Even with an arm injury there is still a good chance he can return. Gary Bettenhausen drove midgets, sprints and Indy cars after hurting his arm in the 70's. I've met him and seen him drive several times. Helluva racer.
Good luck Robert.
Even with an arm injury there is still a good chance he can return. Gary Bettenhausen drove midgets, sprints and Indy cars after hurting his arm in the 70's. I've met him and seen him drive several times. Helluva racer.
Good luck Robert.
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Sure, he can still race with an arm injury, but will he still be the same driver? Even losing a little strength in his hand would be a major weakness when you are having to hold the wheel for 50 odd laps. The fitness level in F1 is so high that such injuries can change a top driver to a merely good driver.
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He has won many championships before formula 1, and during his F1 career he scored 12 podiums, last year he proved he was really fast when he jumped into the sauber.
Bruno has never won a championship, the best he did was 2nd in GP2, he only has F1 experience in a car that is not much faster than a GP2 car, compared to Nick's years of experience. He also was matched or outperformed by karun for the time he was driving, and Klien outperformed bruno during the 1 race he was at.
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But keep in mind, a modern day Formula One car takes much more strength and concentration to drive than a midget racer from the 1970's. But luckily medical technology and medicine has advanced hugely in the span of 30 years. So hopefully he won't have to worry about driving with a bad arm.
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Bruno outperformed Karun and Sakon. There were rumours throughout 2010 that Hispania weren't giving Bruno the same chances, e.g. Karun's car was the first to have a segregated fuel tank, etc. Besides, a car that is so off the pace is difficult to really judge how good the drivers are. In all races he would have had to deal with blue flags, and qualifying and setting up the car is more of an excercise in keeping it on the track than going fast.
But I do remember two occasions when Bruno was mixing it with the Virgin cars in races, particularly in Turkey I remember him overtaking and battling Di Grassi. Something that none of his teammates ever did and with a car that was quite clearly slower than the Virgin.
Bruno was also quite decent in GP2, sure he didn't win the championship, but he wasn't rubbish either. At the very least, he should/could be a good F1 driver of the likes of perhaps Panis or Fisichellla.
May I also point out we currently have a driver who proves you can't always judge on lower formula...Kamui Koabayashi.
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I hope he can still race to the same amazing ability he did before, something which of course struck Olivier Panis when he injured his legs in 1997 Canada. He was doing amazingly at the start and after the accident he was never the same again. Of course, it is largely what kickstarted Jarno Trulli's career... (leading at Austria much?)
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Kamui's one in a million though.
j/k. It's a risk for Renault and is basically bad news for all concerned (except the driver who takes Robert's place). Heidfeld is clearly the best option though. For a team who was aiming to have a good season and has put an enormous effort into their car, this is a major blow.
Perhaps we might even see a different Heidfeld (assuming he gets the drive). He may realise that this will effectively be his last chance. He might be a bit more aggressive.
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Or in Button's case, "a bit more wiser".
I can't see Heidfeld going aggressive like Kubica (not in a million years even!), but there with his vast experience and team strategy (like how Button did with Brawn GP) I think Heidfeld will finally have his break and to challenge for the championship with Renault, probably even more closer than when he was with BMW. Also Heidfeld was better than Kubica for 2 seasons back in BMW not for sheer pace either...
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Or in Button's case, "a bit more wiser".
I can't see Heidfeld going aggressive like Kubica (not in a million years even!), but there with his vast experience and team strategy (like how Button did with Brawn GP) I think Heidfeld will finally have his break and to challenge for the championship with Renault, probably even more closer than when he was with BMW. Also Heidfeld was better than Kubica for 2 seasons back in BMW not for sheer pace either...
I just don't see him challenging for a championship, but perhaps knowing that he has been given a "proper" second chance may stir something deep within him.
I'd at least like him to add a win to his name. If he can go for the championship, then he must realise that this will be his last chance and take it. If he performs well, he may turn up elsewhere in 2012, but I can't imagine him ending up in a top team unless he wins the title this year. Something which is very unlikely IMO.
Renault want a championship contender
I doubt they'd be willing to pay Kimi's wages though. He's the only "free agent" who could do it. The only way it would happen would be if he'd be willing to go with a much lower salary on the basis of having a good car and being with a team that Kubica clearly feels at home with. But then again, there was that little verbal battle between raikkonen and renault last year...
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You guys have said it, Renault won't want to pay Kimi's salary as well as they dislike his personality. There's no doubt he has talent, but he has little desire. Still something inside me wants him to comeback just because he had some really funny/embarrassing moments that can be very memorable. In a realistic view I wish Bruno could get a chance but now they have publicly said they are looking for experienced drivers...probably Heidfeld. I just hope RK can make a comeback at some point, but such an injury to the hand (as well as other parts) will definitely test him.
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Confirmation that Heidfeld is "a potential replacement for Robert Kubica as a race driver."
http://www.lotusrenaultgp.com/spip.php?article3997
EDIT: is there any way I can edit the thread title to include " - replacement driver discussion"?
http://www.lotusrenaultgp.com/spip.php?article3997
EDIT: is there any way I can edit the thread title to include " - replacement driver discussion"?
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Well, I guess both Senna and Heidfeld will give all they got, just hope they don't crash! 
And dear Vitaly should do some serious lapping too, although his place is probably and contractualy very secure, he just can't afford to be (significantly) slower than the two contenders for a race seat!
And dear Vitaly should do some serious lapping too, although his place is probably and contractualy very secure, he just can't afford to be (significantly) slower than the two contenders for a race seat!
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