Lamborghini’s 50th anniversary - Veneno (Lambo's fastest car ever!)

[sumbrownkid]

Reminds me a bit of the 1993 Stealth car, designed by Lotus/McLaren designer, Jim Router.
(Especially the windscreen).

Did it actually spoof the speed detectors used by police?

 

[Exorcet]

Did it actually spoof the speed detectors used by police?

Unlikely with windshield wipers, mirrors, and lights on top of tires. Plus I doubt it's made out of RAM.

Also, the F-117, like all stealth aircraft, was not invisible, but had a reduced RCS that would change with orientation to the opposing radar. More the likely, the F-117 would be above the radar, and its shape was made with that in mind.

 

[McLaren]

Yep. The Tuatara pulls off the modern aviation look, unintentionally, more convincingly than any of these Lambo concepts. I think it's so childish.

Funny, that's exactly what critics said about the Countach when it was revealed back in the 70's.

It's quite clear you don't really have a grasp as to how this design language is nothing new for Lamborghini & has always worked well in their favor over time. From a couple men who have years more experience with Lamborghini than anyone I have yet to see in this thread, let alone this board.

Im going to say Lambo is smart kid in the room and you guys dont get it.

They are looking to the future. They realize that many of tomorrows wealthy exotic buyers are growing on radical designs as seen in movies like Transformers.

They cant, nor should they, be trying to compete with Ferrari on Ferraris playing field. Its a losing proposition for any company.

So they are taking the game to their own home field by catering to a completely different clientele than those that drool over Ferraris. They may be slightly ahead of their time but my bet is it works out for them quite well in the long run

A total homerun publicity wise. Huge FB/Twitter/response.

As a business model a home run as well. They sold 3 V's at about 3.5MM profit per even after development costs.

I bet they sell 5 of these at 4MM+ as well.

Lambo special projects is very profitable.

When fans fotoshop and spread your product all over the net for free it's a companies delight.

Jim I think what some commenting here are forgetting is that the Veneno and this car are essentially PROTOTYPE CONCEPT cars. They are not PRODUCTION cars, so the concern that Lamborghini cars are getting too radical is unfounded.

The production cars still remain stunning, sexy etc.

Prototype Concept cars are supposed to spark the imagination and fulfill our wildest automotive dreams. They are supposed to get people talking (good, bad or indifferent) and they are supposed to make them go OMG. It appears to me that's exactly what is happening, all the while with an explosion of interest in the marque due to social media as well as traditional.

For me the DNA of a company is different than carrying an "egg crate" grill or something styling wise. I love the brand identity of sports cars. (There is a guy on this forum that I believe is building an interesting one). What are the combinations of intangibles that make a Ferrari, a Porsche, or a BMW. And I hate when an interesting brand is watered down or ruined, even if the brand was not my favorite.

At one point, I owned nearly every Lamborghini model at one time and for me I had a pretty good feel of the DNA that carried well through it. And it's not about just the way the brand always looked. It's more than that. The Gallardo looked like a lamborghini, but it scared me a bit because aside from an angular look it was the first car that, at least for me, when too far in the direction of a German sports car. For me these concepts are moving back in the right direction.

When the Countach was first shown in 71 it was angular, outrageous, and criticized by the elite as impractical. The concept was criticized as garish, a boys fantasy.. The collectors called it rude, angular, ugly, silly, impractical, no taste, purely to arouse, it was a cartoon: all phrases we now see again. There was no styling throwback to a previous model. It was looked at as a crude attention getter. It was criticized for not being a real car. ( And from someone who drove his daughter to school in one last week, I can tell you 42 year later, the CT still is not a real car. )

And it made the company interesting. Alpine wanted to sell stereos to 14-17 year old boys, and took a picture of one and started one of the most successful ad campaigns in history. Every teenage boy had a poster of this car on their wall. It invented the phrase "poster car." Lamborghini never really gave a hoot what the blue bloods thought of there car, or design. This was intentionally pure teenage boy fantasy stuff.

These concepts look far more what people think of as a Lamborghini than the CT looked like when it sat on a stand next to the SV. But that was never the point. For someone that's spent a lot of time studying the brand, I think its going in the right and traditional direction for Lamborghini. And it means the creation of controversy.

I am aware of the companies shortcomings, and there are many. This company is not Ferrari and never will be. For me, I want in a brand is for it to successfully get in touch with the virtues (if any) of the brand. I don't see these direction as thrown together. Rather I think someone is thinking about the brand and what it means.

Just my opinion of course.

VERY TRUE, great recollection, and I've got a few magazine articles to back that sentiment up.

In fact, for years after production of the Countach went on, lovers of other car marques often thought of it as a joke, a cartoon of a car, just like some are saying about Lamborghini's current concepts. It is only in the last decade or so that the Countach is taken seriously and thought of as a true classic. Prices prior to that period mark that as an accurate observation. 10 years ago you could pick up an Lp400 for under a hundred grand. I did.

Though I don't expect anyone to know all these names, most should recognize Napolis & know that his opinion is based on him being one of the people they would market this type of car to.

These guys get it & these are men who were alive to see the Countach come out into the world. As many have made it known, they have watched how Lamborghini's styling has changed, yet remained bold & outlandish because it works. It creates publicity whilst still moving cars.

To those who want to see the old days, there's a strong point in this post.

I don't think they quite have to do that and they wouldn't stay in business that way.
Hard to argue that they're the most financially viable they've ever been.
As others have noted here they are trying to grab a bit of spotlight time.

That fuchsia colored Diablo from Japan did as well. I won't celebrate that one either.

Face it Peter, we prefer the older car designs.

I know this a prototype show car but if very much of the styling cues on that car make it to the Gallardo replacement I just don't know ...

But hey, when the Espada came out there were plenty who though it was too outrageous and it's still a car that divides people. I liked it because it simply wreaked of exotic to me.
The interior wasn't exotic save maybe the flip side windows and VIP interior versions.

Some maybe it's just someone else's turn.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Funny, that's exactly what critics said about the Countach when it was revealed back in the 70's.

It's quite clear you don't really have a grasp as to how this design language is nothing new for Lamborghini & has always worked well in their favor over time. From a couple men who have years more experience with Lamborghini than anyone I have yet to see in this thread, let alone this board.

I'd love to see some evidence to back that up. From all I've found they were amazed, but I don't think 'childish' was the word their pens wrote down.

What bothers me more than anything about the last couple Lambos is that they are so unoriginal. Derivative. Too...Michael Bay.

The Sheiks and Top Gear will love it, and I'm sure that's predominantly who they care about.

 

[Tornado]

I don't see how cribbing so liberally from 20+ year old airplane designs is forward thinking just because it took 20 years for them to actually produce the airplane (and no one else is cribbing stuff from old airplanes).

You should just apply for lead design at Lamborghini, because clearly you know what they need to be doing, and they just don't have a clue.

Loosely translated:

 

[McLaren]

I'd love to see some evidence to back that up. From all I've found they were amazed, but I don't think 'childish' was the word their pens wrote down.

The word of someone likely not past the age of 25 & just did a 5-minute search on Google, or the word of a 50+ year old man who says he has magazine articles that back up another owner's words.

Anyone with any sense knows you're still just flapping your jaw. Do yourself a favor, & read the quotes above. These men have much credibility to their name than anyone in this thread does in regard to how Lamborghini's styling is dictated; they were witnessing it before most here were born. As John said above, the words of the past Countach are being echoed again today with the next generation.

 

[DeathSmiles]

lol @ Tornado *gif saved

And bravo, McLaren. I'm saving that post, aswell.

What bothers me more than anything about the last couple Lambos is that they are so unoriginal. Derivative. Too...Michael Bay.

There's literally nothing else on the market that resembles Lamborghini's last couple of concepts. Please show me why this (and whatever other cars you are speaking of) are unoriginal.

 

[Tornado]

Did Lamborghini ever even do these limited run things before VAG ownership? The only examples I can think of were the handful of cars that they prepped to go racing before deciding against it and selling them to private hands instead.

 

[McLaren]

Did Lamborghini ever even do these limited run things before VAG ownership? The only examples I can think of were the handful of cars that they prepped to go racing before deciding against it and selling them to private hands instead.

As far as the Diablo goes, the SE30 Jota, SV Roadster, Alpine Edition, Monterey Edition, Momo Edition, & Millennium Roadster were the only real limited edition cars (though you could argue the regular SE30, GT & 6.0 SE fit the bill as well, but built in bigger numbers than the forementioned). And unlike the Gallardo, these were actually limited & are quite rare and valuable to collectors. They were also subtle in design, so it takes a bit of a keen eye to spot one (minus the Momo as soon as you see the interior) from the regular Diablos.

With the Countach, I think the Walter Wolf models were as close you could get to a limited edition Countach, since he had 3 made. But, these would fit more under custom ordered by today's standards.

 

[DeathSmiles]

The Prototype LP 500. There were very few cars that resembled it. It was a very drastic, over the top design from a group of young designers. They were trying to be bold, and outlandish and as history has shown, they knew what they were doing.

And you can see the heritage in the Egoista, Veneno, Sesto, Aventador, and so on and so fourth, to the LP 500.

No one has to tell me I was looking at a Lamborghini when I see those.

 

[Ranman20]

I see no resemblance.

 

[DeathSmiles]

The long rear, all the angular shapes and vents everywhere don't do it for ya?

 

[Yauma9]

It looks like a hybrid between the Tumbler and a Sesto Elemento/Veneno.

I'd paint it matte black with yellow details and add some turrets and missiles.
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And be Batman.

 

[GranTurismo916]

The Sesto Elemento was cool, The Veneno was crazy, but the Egoista is taking it too far, Lamborghini...

 

[Azure Flare]

The Sesto Elemento was cool, The Veneno was crazy, but the Egoista is taking it too far, Lamborghini...

Just refer back to my post a couple pages back.

 

[MoLiEG]

Just refer back to my post a couple pages back.

So true

 

[RocZX]

Lamborghini Veneno Roadster Confirmed

Lamborghini CEO Stephan Winkelmann has told Car and Driver in an exclusive interview that the Italian manufacturer will build a small run of roadsters based on the Veneno hypercar that was launched at the Geneva auto show earlier this year. Rumors of Lamborghini executives gauging interest levels within the brand’s most-loyal customers circulated last month, but those reports went unconfirmed by officials in Sant’Agata.

While the closed-roof ultra-Aventador was built in only three units, Winkelmann tells us that production of the open-top version will triple that number. The Veneno Roadster, which is the car’s official name, will cost €3.3 million (roughly $4.4 million at today’s exchange rates), exactly 10 percent more than the original Veneno. The Roadster will keep the fixed-roof car’s Aventador-derived powertrain without alteration.

Car and Driver

This is just stupid!

I think it's a little dump that they are doing this, mostly cause they are making 9 and they don't even has the extra power. It will just be a Aventador roadster with the Veneno body kit and on top of that it will cost more money.
If they only make 3 like they doing the coupe and would make it much more cooler and special.

 

[MoLiEG]

Wat?

I can't even imagine that thing as a Roadster...

 

[McLaren]

And they'll sell every one of them. Like Bugatti, these ridiculously high priced limited editions are what generate a ton of revenue for the company. It's funny in a way.

 

[AudiMan2011]

The Gallardo replacement has come out to play. Cabrera name tipped for use.

Autocar
The first test mule for the*Lamborghini Gallardo*replacement has been scooped in testing. The new model is set to be introduced in 2014 at the Geneva motor show, sources close to the Italian supercar maker have revealed.

The new two-seater, the production version of which is set to go on sale in the UK during the second half of next year, follows the example of its predecessor in sharing key components, including a lightweight carbonfibre and aluminium spaceframe structure, with the replacement for today’s Audi R8, due in 2015.*

The new car, which carries the internal codename LP724, is said to have grown marginally in length to almost 4500mm, or 16mm longer than its predecessor, with width and height remaining close to the 1900mm and 1165mm respectively of the Gallardo. This is backed up the test mule, which appears longer than the current Gallardo.*

Together with an edgy new exterior inspired by the dramatic Sesto Elemento concept, the Gallardo replacement is set to adopt a new interior layout that, with a slight increase in wheelbase over its predecessor at 2600mm, will offer added levels of accommodation.

Despite harbouring initial plans to base its new car around a contemporary carbonfibre monocoque similar to that of the Aventador, Lamborghini has been forced to follow a more conservative route dictated by parent company Audi and its second-generation R8 supercar.

Both cars have been conceived around a modular spacefame. This will allow them to share vital components, including selected parts of a new, lightweight carbonfibre and aluminium structure that, Autocar can confirm, weighs 198kg in the form to be used by the Audi. That is 24kg less than the all-aluminium structure used by the current R8.

Despite using a similar structure, the R8 and the Gallardo replacement will receive different wheelbases. The Audi’s is 30mm longer than the Lamborghini’s for greater levels of interior accommodation, including stowage space behind the seats. By using a shorter wheelbase than the Audi, the structure of the new Lamborghini is a further 3kg lighter, at just 195kg.

The new spaceframe structure will be clothed in a body that uses a combination of carbonfibre-reinforced plastic and aluminium panels. The move is aimed at bringing the new mid-engined Lamborghini to the scales at less than 1500kg — the official kerb weight of today’s four-wheel-drive Gallardo.

Power will come from an updated version of the Gallardo’s naturally aspirated 5.2-litre V10 petrol engine. It will be tuned to deliver close to 600bhp and 400lb ft of torque in standard guise, while complying with stringent new EU6 emissions regulations set to come into force next year.

The reworked engine will be mated to a standard six-speed manual gearbox, while the new seven-speed dual-clutch automatic from the R8 will be optional, replacing the current Gallardo’s six-speed automated manual ’box.*

Alongside standard four-wheel-drive models, Lamborghini also plans selected rear-wheel-drive versions of its new supercar.

Meanwhile, rumours suggest that the Gallardo replacement will take the name Cabrera. In keeping with Lamborghini tradition, it refers to a line of Spanish bulls whose lineage can be traced to other famous breeds, including the Miura, Gallardo, Navarra, Veragua and Vistahermosa-Parladé.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

They had better nail the styling on the new Gallardo. Somehow, on those photos, it looks pretty boring to me.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The roof/pillar structure looks very similar to the current car towards the front. I wonder how much of the platform. if any, is carrying over?

 

[KinLM]

Looks like the Sesto Elemento actually served some R&D use overall!

I can see some similarities from the Sesto to this new Gallardo. The two were always (somewhat) alike.. Sorta.

 

[The Stig Farmer]

I assume we're continuing discussion of the Cabrera here? Whatever, here's some Nordschleife footage.



...and one of the prototypes with a bit less camo.

Aspect ratio appears to be messed up, so it isn't as tall as it looks.

 

[MoLiEG]

Looks interesting... and even with the camo, it already looks better than any Gallardo... (I never liked it)

 

[Ddrizle]

 

[AudiMan2011]

Veneno Roadster revealed. 9 will be made costing £2.8 million plus taxes. Looks evil and I like it.

MotorAuthority

 

[Stotty]

I thought they were only building 3?

It remains a vile monstrosity of a car.

 

[AudiMan2011]

I thought they were only building 3?

It remains a vile monstrosity of a car.

That was the coupe.

 

[The Stig Farmer]

That is the most gratuitous car in existence.

So it's an Aventador with a roid-rage-LMP bodykit and no roof.

For the win.