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[CopperySinger]

No


If you are referring to the Confederate Battle Flag then it is part of the heritage of many citizens and history of this country.
Actually I do have Ancestors that fought for the South in the civil war, I do live south of the mason-dixon line and in an area that is rich in this nations civil war history. I am proud of my heritage and do not support the attempted elimination of acknowledgement of this era of history in our nation. So make your own deductions on my views further than that as that is what you will do anyway.

Nope, not talking about the original confederate flag but the Democratic Rebel flag two different flags. The one flown today is a symbol of war hatred racism and intimidation (Rebel Flag) flown during war. Keep in mind that these people were the ones who enforced slavery while gaslighting the modern democrats blaming them for slavery. On the other hand, the confederate flag was a symbol of southern heritage but nobody seems to care about that flag. Yet, another episode of Misguided Americans Gone Astray,

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Nope, not talking about the confederate flag but the Democratic Rebel flag two different flags.

Would you please post a picture of what you are calling the Democratic Rebel Flag? I am not sure what flag to which you are referring.

But if your answers were honest, you're either left of and more liberal than Elizabeth Warren or your opinions are so ill-considered that they're all over the map.

I disagree as I surely do not associate or share my beliefs with Pocohantis (our resident loony Democrat white woman trying to falsely play off being of native american ancestry) .

I do not think apparently the party definitions in the U.S. split on the same lines or issues as those in Europe. In this country my viewpoint would definitely not be considered to be in line or agreement with the Democrats way of thinking on pretty much any issue across the board.

 

[Rallywagon]

I did this a couple years back too but I guess I didn't post my results, at least not here.
Anyway, my anecdotal evidence says it's pretty spot on, however, I do which some of the questions were better worded, and a completely neutral response was allowed.

 

[Rallywagon]

I hope the irony of claiming to not be racist while the very next day using a Native name disparagingly towards a white person doesnt escape you.

 

[Famine]

I disagree as I surely do not associate or share my beliefs with Pocohantis (our resident loony Democrat white woman trying to falsely play off being of native american ancestry) .

Which is very odd, as your answers put you both to her left and more liberal than her.

If you aren't, then the only two remaining options are that your answers were not honest, or that your opinions are so ill-considered they're all over the map. But since you won't share them, it's tough to know which of the three options it is.

I do not think apparently the party definitions in the U.S. split on the same lines or issues as those in Europe.

They don't, but I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

In this country my viewpoint would definitely not be considered to be in line or agreement with the Democrats way of thinking on pretty much any issue across the board.

And yet your answers put you right in there. Well, slightly to the left of most of them, in fact.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Which is very odd, as your answers put you both to her left and more liberal than her.

If you aren't, then the only two remaining options are that your answers were not honest, or that your opinions are so ill-considered they're all over the map. But since you won't share them, it's tough to know which of the three options it is.

They don't, but I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

And yet your answers put you right in there. Well, slightly to the left of most of them, in fact.

And the exact reasons I contend that the quiz may not accurately portray the results in alignment with the takers stance on issues. In my case it surely is not correct, I am against open borders, allowing illegals into our country not in confinement to wait for a court hearing, illegal aliens and sanctuary cities, against DACA or dreamers being rewarded for decades of ignoring our laws with citizenship.

I am against firearm bans or gun laws which only end up affecting law abiding citizens, I am against legalizing marijuana or removing criminal prosecution to those that again violate the laws of this nation.I strongly believe in the death penalty. Should I continue or is that enough that my viewpoints are not the same or align with the Democratic party in this country against what this little incorrect quiz may claim?

 

[Famine]

In my case it surely is not correct, I am against open borders, allowing illegals into our country not in confinement to wait for a court hearing, illegal aliens and sanctuary cities, against DACA or dreamers being rewarded for decades of ignoring our laws with citizenship.

I am against firearm bans or gun laws which only end up affecting law abiding citizens, I am against legalizing marijuana or removing criminal prosecution to those that again violate the laws of this nation.I strongly believe in the death penalty.

These are all authoritarian positions, placing you higher on the vertical axis. There doesn't seem to be anything in there about fiscal points of view that would place you on the horizontal axis.

Should I continue or is that enough that my viewpoints are not the same or align with the Democratic party in this country against what this little incorrect quiz may claim?

You could just share your answers...

For you to be placed where you are, your answers on the questions would be broadly supportive of personal taxation and restrictions on businesses, while also broadly supportive of laws restricting personal freedoms, but not overwhelmingly so in either case and not across the board on every topic.

Did you see the chart I posted which had the US political figures for the next Presidential Election plotted on it? That's the "quiz" as applied to their policy positions and public statements on issues. Here it is again:

You can rail against it all you like, but for you to be placed where you are, your answers are either dishonest, or they're honest and you really are slightly left and slightly authoritarian, or they're honest and your opinions are all over the map. I don't know why you keep bringing your country and Europe into the equation.

It's accurate, so long as what you put in is accurate.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Did you see the chart I posted which had the US political figures for the next Presidential Election plotted on it? That's the "quiz" as applied to their policy positions and public statements on issues. Here it is again:

That chart is putting the candidates that in the U.S political spectrum are considered very extreme far left and has them being on the right! There is no way that Harris, Biden, Booker, Buttplug or Warren would in this country even be considered to be near a central line much less across the line into right biased territory.

You would probably be better off sticking with trying to rank the players and voters in a country that you are familiar with how the political viewpoints may be ranked as to whether they are left or right!

That chart and its placement of the political candidates is a total joke when you are trying to place Trump in the same quadrant with Biden, Buttplug, Booker, Harris and Warner. That is a joke!

 

[Famine]

That chart is putting the candidates that in the U.S political spectrum are considered very extreme far left and has them being on the right!

There's a very good reason for that.

There is no way that Harris, Biden, Booker, Buttplug or Warren would in this country even be considered to be near a central line much less across the line into right biased territory.

Again you're bringing your country into it like there's some relevance to it.

You would probably be better off sticking with trying to rank the players and voters in a country that you are familiar with how the political viewpoints may be ranked as to whether they are left or right!

It's not me that's doing it, and again the country has no relevance.

That chart and its placement of the political candidates is a total joke when you are trying to place Trump in the same quadrant with Biden, Buttplug, Booker, Harris and Warner. That is a joke!

It's interesting that you don't see what the problem is. It's more interesting that you're making a massive effort to prove how Trumpian you are when your answers to the political compass questions do not put you anywhere near him...

 

[VFOURMAX1]

and again the country has no relevance.

Apparently how the individual issues are graded or sorted whether to be considered left or right the countries must not agree in how that is determined apparently if you and/or that chart or survey think or are under the impression those candidates lean to the right and I lean to the the left within this country.
May be considered to be right leaning in your country but not within ours.

 

[Dotini]

@VFOURMAX1
The Administrator is correct when he says the political compass has no relevance to the US. The US has no relevance to the political compass.

From wikipedia

The website does not reveal the people behind it, beyond the fact that it seems to be based in the United Kingdom.[2][3] At the bottom of any page on the website, it is stated that the copyright of 'The Political Compass', which is claimed as a trademark, belongs to an organisation named Pace News Limited.[4] Pace News Limited is a company registered in New Zealand whose director is political journalist Wayne Brittenden.[5] According to The New York Times, the site is the work of Brittenden.[1] According to Tom Utley, writing in The Daily Telegraph, the site is connected to One World Action, a charity founded by Glenys Kinnock.[6] An early version of the site was published on One World Action's web server.[7]


Political compass as used by 'The Political Compass'[8]
The underlying theory of the political model used by 'The Political Compass' is that political ideology may be better measured along two separate and independent axes. The economic (left–right) axis measures one's opinion of how the economy should be run: 'left' is defined as the desire for the economy to be run by a cooperative collective agency (which can mean the state, but can also mean a network of communes) while 'right' is defined as the desire for the economy to be left to the devices of competing individuals and organizations. The other axis (authoritarian–libertarian) measures one's political opinions in a social sense, regarding the amount of personal freedom that one would allow: 'libertarianism' is defined as the belief that personal freedom should be maximised while 'authoritarianism' is defined as the belief that authority should be obeyed.

A number of other multi-axis models of political thought exist and some are based on similar axes to 'The Political Compass'. A similar chart appeared in 1970 in The Floodgates of Anarchy by Albert Meltzer and Stuart Christie and in 1968 in the Rampart Journal of Individualist Thought by Maurice C. Bryson and William R. McDill.[9][10] Meltzer and Christie's and Bryson and McDill are pretty much the same as Nolan's, but for a change of nomenclature and the political compass is also the same, but flipped and rotated 45° anti-clockwise.

The website does not explain its scoring system.[11] A number of writers, including Tom Utley and Brian Patrick Mitchell, have criticised its validity.[6][7]

Edit:
#1 see above
#2 IMO, if the site has a bias, it might be for Albion, for One World, Labour, humanism and feminism. Not all bad!


The Right Honourable

The Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead

FRSA

Minister of State for Africa and the United Nation

 

[Famine]

Apparently how the individual issues are graded or sorted whether to be considered left or right the countries must not agree in how that is determined apparently if you and/or that chart or survey think or are under the impression those candidates lean to the right and I lean to the the left within this country.
May be considered to be right leaning in your country but not within ours.

Again, the country has no relevance. The political compass doesn't care what country you're in because it isn't a subjective measure. The reason many Democrat potential Presidential candidates are to the right of centre is because... they are.

... and your answers put you to the left of almost all of them, which is a fiscal position.


Have a look at the site's FAQ. It may be instructive for you - although of little help with your acceptance of your answers that you will not share.

 

[Dotini]

The political compass doesn't care what country you're in because it isn't a subjective measure. The reason many Democrat potential Presidential candidates are to the right of centre is because... they are.

If the political compass is not subjective, is it because the site is objectivist, the philosophy of rational individualism founded by Ayn Rand?

Wayne Brittenden, the supposed director of the site, is a political journalist who seems very sympathetic to the Libertarian cause. Listen to interview in linked video.

(note: I identify as an antiwar libertarian, and have consistently voted that way for many elections.)

 

[Famine]

If the political compass is not subjective, is it because the site is objectivist, the philosophy of rational individualism founded by Ayn Rand?

Wayne Brittenden, the supposed director of the site, is a political journalist who seems very sympathetic to the Libertarian cause. Listen to interview in linked video.

(note: I identify as an antiwar libertarian, and have consistently voted that way for many elections.)

Sorry, that was too many points in one post. Can you restrict yourself to just one?


Regardless of the site's leanings, what it measures is not subjective. The left/right scale terminates in absolutes: complete government control of the means of production on one side, total free market absent regulation on the other. So does the perpendicular scale: complete government regulation of behaviour at one end, complete absence - anarchism - on the other.

Over time, the entire US - and UK - political arena has wandered to the authoritarian right. Even present-day Democrats and Labour, traditionally socialist (left) parties are right of centre, although Labour's leader Jeremy Corbyn is very much further left than that, while the Democrats' Bernie Sanders is also left of centre - although likely opposite sides of the authoritarian scale from each other. The parties most likely to be left of centre now are Green and regional nationalist independence parties (while ironically the nationalist parties are much further right, and authoritarian).

Whether a party is to the left in the US or not isn't relevant. It may be more left than another one, but it's still right of centre.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Seems about right:

However, I feel like all of the questions are phrased in a "are you woke or not" kind of way. Doesn't seem very partial to well-intentioned right wing viewpoints. But I digress.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

but it's still right of centre

Perhaps by the definition of a party based overseas and not remotely relevant or competitive in U.S. politics.

But the issues and political parties agenda or platform that determine what is or where the center is or what would be considered a left-center-right position in this country is apparently very different to the population than to who does that quiz, chart and rating system.

I can promise you in this country to the majority of the voting public that the Democratic party nor the candidates, Warren, Harris, Buttplug, Booker, Biden, Sanders are considered to be right of center in American politics or issues.

If you take a center position the Democratic party would be considered liberal and left of center and different candidates would be considered to be from basically slightly left center to far left.
The Republican party would be considered conservative and right of center and their candidates would be considered from just being right of center to far right.
Somebody like Sanders is of neither main party he is a Socialist, which on many issues concerning welfare types of government giveaways financed with working peoples tax dollars would align closer to the Democrats who also think the wealthy should foot the bills for the less wealthy.

This may not be how the same issues or politicians are viewed in your country but it is the status here in this country.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Perhaps by the definition of a party based overseas and not remotely relevant or competitive in U.S. politics.

You need to understand that this gauge covers the assessment of political positions across the world. Pointing out that the US has a much narrower political bandwidth (for the most part) is pointless. It's not all about the USA

 

[Adamgp]

Had some spare time, so I took this again. IIRC, pretty close to where I was last time.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

It's not all about the USA

When the conversation is based off of events in the U.S., the candidates listed on the charts are candidates in the U.S. and we are discussing where I as a U.S. citizen stand concerning supporting left or right biased viewpoints inthe U.S. I think perhaps this particular subject matter is all about the U.S.!

I have repeatedly stated that perhaps what is viewed as left-center-right in politics could be different in other parts of the world. I have followed the politics and issues and voted in every election since my eighteenth birthday in this country and I am in my 60's now so I guess I may have gained just a little understanding of U.S. politics in that time frame.

 

[Northstar]

When the conversation is based off of events in the U.S., the candidates listed on the charts are candidates in the U.S. and we are discussing where I as a U.S. citizen stand concerning supporting left or right biased viewpoints inthe U.S. I think perhaps this particular subject matter is all about the U.S.!

I have repeatedly stated that perhaps what is viewed as left-center-right in politics could be different in other parts of the world. I have followed the politics and issues and voted in every election since my eighteenth birthday in this country and I am in my 60's now so I guess I may have gained just a little understanding of U.S. politics in that time frame.

Considering it's all using the same measurement, what we would consider "left" and "right" has no effect on the results.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Whether a party is to the left in the US or not isn't relevant. It may be more left than another one, but it's still right of centre

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| LEFT------------------CENTER-------------------RIGHT
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LIBERAL DEMOCRATS----------------REPUBLICANS CONSERVATIVE
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This more illustrates a chart that would better describe how the politics that currently hold any relevance in a major elections results in the U.S. would be ranked or how it works in this country.

With center being a dividing line between the two parties Democrats are considered liberal and leaning left while Republicans are considered conservatives and right leaning of the center position.

Democrats or their followers are always considered to be liberal to a degree and never called conservatives.
Republicans are considered to be conservatives and not referred to as being or following a liberal position.
Candidates are judged as to how far leaning their left or right agenda may be when looking at an issue from a central or neutral position that is middle of the road between the two parties.

As an example say a Republican that is for no immigration and closed borders in this country would be labeled very far right, a Democrat that wanted totally open borders with no controls to immigration at all would be very far left. A candidate of either party with not as an extreme viewpoint on immigration may have one foot in the center but would still be associated as left or right only much more neutral or and having a more moderate viewpoint depending on his party affiliation.

Most political party members do cast their votes down party agenda lines. Crossing the aisle and voting against the party lines is an option but that candidate runs the risk of alienating the voter base that elected him and not being reelected to office.

Most independent candidates are usually more moderate and towards the center perhaps with one foot on the right and one foot on the left but usually stand little or no chance of winning a major hotly contested election against one of the two entrenched parties in power.

 

[Famine]

This more illustrates a chart that would better describe how the politics that currently hold any relevance in a major elections results in the U.S. would be ranked or how it works in this country.

"Liberal" isn't left. "Socialist" is left. Left/right is fiscal.

Perhaps by the definition of a party based overseas and not remotely relevant or competitive in U.S. politics.

No, you're not getting this.

The political compass uses an absolute scale on both axes. One end of the left/right scale is complete government control of the means of production, while the other is total free market absent regulation. One end of the social scale perpendicular to it is complete government regulation of behaviour, with the other is complete absence of it (or social anarchism). Total fiscal left and total social authoritarian is communism. Total fiscal right and total social liberalism is anarchism.

Centre is... centre, on both axes.


It doesn't matter what country you're in. Everyone's political views can be plotted on the compass. US politics has - like in many other countries - wandered to the right (that's a fiscal scale, remember) and become more authoritarian over time. While it may once have been the case that the Democrats were left of centre and the Republicans were right of centre, it's now not the case. Both parties are right of centre, just the Republicans are further right than the Democrats. This is an issue, as it leaves very little option for anyone who isn't authoritarian right, and it's made more of an issue by people who call a right-of-centre party "left" because it's more left than a further right party...

... and none of this changes the fact that your answers put you further left than either (remember, this is a fiscal scale), which is something you seem to be struggling with. I'm not sure why you're so reticent to share your answers, but if it helps you, I can share my answers which put me six points further right than you, and six points more liberal.


I think if you read the political compass site's FAQs it might help you, because you're labouring under several misapprehensions that they answer.

 

[Dotini]

Pity poor old @VFOURMAX1
For decades he was a conservative to himself, his family and his friends. Now, knuckling under to a smooth talking Englishman, he's got to explain to them all that now he's really a liberal.

 

[Joey D]

I agree with the results. Being authoritarian is the absolute worse since it's not the government's job to dictate people's lives. Also, my money is my money and something, something, taxation is theft.

I also like how this shows there's not one candidate who's announced a 2020 run yet that I agree with.

 

[zzz_pt]

I was quite shocked at the result I got today.

Same here. I always think I'm quite in the center. Maybe I chose "Strongly agree" and "Strongly disagree" too often.

It's interesting to see that Sanders is almost on the right and everyone who considers themseves "in the center", are in the middle of the right/authoritarian quadrant.

 

[Dotini]

Psy-ops! Fake polls!!
The thing to do is take the poll over and over again until you achieve the desired position.

 

[zzz_pt]

Psy-ops! Fake polls!!
The thing to do is take the poll over and over again until you achieve the desired position.

My desired position is what I got, because I answered what I desired. The thing is, the left-right spectrum is so skewed nowadays, that we (me included) forget what extreme/radical views really are and what those who held them think and propose.

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On the political compass itself, some questions gave me pause and I wasn't convinced of the answer I gave. Might share some thoughts later today (I'm writting this at 5h30 am before going to sleep for a few hours).

 

[Imari]

I have followed the politics and issues and voted in every election since my eighteenth birthday in this country and I am in my 60's now so I guess I may have gained just a little understanding of U.S. politics in that time frame.

Ah, cool. You can join Dotini in the "I'm old so I must know what I'm talking about" club.

 

[Northstar]

Ah, cool. You can join Dotini in the "I'm old so I must know what I'm talking about" club.

I've always found it odd how that club doesn't get along well with the "I'm a student so I must know what I'm talking about" club.

 

[PocketZeven]

That compass with the current candidates, filters out the idea the righwing “Democrats are extreme socialists” rhetoric somewhat. It also exposes so many conflicts in American politics concerning authoritarian within democrats vs Republicans. They are more alike then they realize.