Lets settle this...

[MazKid]

Alright, here's a series of E-mails from me and Buzz/GTSR_man/whatever you want to call him(bad names work too).

Buzz is comparing the Mazda 6 with the Neon SRT-4, but he neglects to send me the first E-mail again, so this is starting with my reponse to the first E-mail. These are totally un-edited. Who is right?

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Subj: Re: Mazda 6 vs. Dodge SRT-4 Neon!
Date: 11/8/2002 6:30:41 AM Central Standard Time
From: MazKid
To: Buzz094b



First off, you're comparing a sport compact with a mid to full size sedan. That ends that...

Subj: Re: Mazda 6 vs. Dodge SRT-4 Neon!
Date: 11/12/2002 6:05:40 PM Central Standard Time
From: Buzz094b
To: MazKid



who gives a crud..... Are you telling me Mazda sucks against Dodge........ American better than foreign??? *gasps* mmm mmm mmmmm*shakes head* thats bad. i can match the RX8 against the viper, the MPV to the Grand Caravan, the B200 series to the ram and so on and so forth.....

Subj: Re: Mazda 6 vs. Dodge SRT-4 Neon!
Date: 11/12/2002 7:26:03 PM Central Standard Time
From: MazKid
To: Buzz094b



But you would be bloody wrong Buzz!

The B2000-B4000 is a SMALL TRUCK, where as the Ram is a FULL SIZE
The RX-8 is a SPORTS SEDAN, and the Viper is a FULL ON SPORTS CAR
The Mazda 6 is a TOURING SEDAN, and the Neon is a SPORT COMPACT.

Really Buzz, when you know something, come back here. But while you know little about car classifications, don't try to act smart, because you are far from it kid. Please, don't fight me on this, and don't try to get others to think that you are right because you flat out aren't.

Sorry if I hurt your lil feelings and self ego, but it's the truth and you have to deal with it.
Ryan

Subj: Re: Mazda 6 vs. Dodge SRT-4 Neon!
Date: 11/12/2002 7:29:04 PM Central Standard Time
From: Buzz094b
To: MazKid



you didnt hurt my feelings dont have any im raw!

Well to bad Mazda cant run wit the big dogs!

The B4000 series is a truck the ram is a truck

The RX-8 is a car, the Viper is a car

The MPV is a mini-van, the Grand Caravan is a mini-van

Tell me when you've learned something...

Subj: Re: Mazda 6 vs. Dodge SRT-4 Neon!
Date: 11/12/2002 7:37:19 PM Central Standard Time
From: MazKid
To: Buzz094b



YOU ARE A BLATHERING IDIOT!!!

a Geo Metro is a car, and the Viper is a car...can you equally compare them? HELL NO!!!

You are comparing apples to oranges, sure thier both "cars" but they are uncompareable.

AGAIN, your knowlage is severely limited based on inexperience and stupidity. Please, don't go around say idiotic stuff. I'm well above that, and if I wanted to hear that I would listen to people at school. I'm not just a 16 year old "kid", I'm way above that in knowlage and way of thinking, and I beg you to be the same way and GET SMARTER! Being dumb only means that you make other people dumb. Soon the world is dumb because Buzz is telling people this garbage, and like the idiots that unfortunately make up a lot of the world, THEY LISTEN!
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Vote please!

 

[1X83Z]

Haha, in Colorado, the Hummer and the Nissan Sentra used to be in the same classification for registration purposes. I used to laugh and laugh at that.

In any case - the Ram's a fullsize truck; the B-series is a compact truck. The RX-8's got about half the horsepower of a Viper, and probably much better engineering. None of those cars are comparable. The MPV/Grand Caravan's a bit of a better battle, but the Grand Caravan is (sorry) a better van. The SRT-4 thing and the Mazda6 thing is totally irrellevant, since the 6 has got enough horsepower to match the nice Altima and nice Accord, both of which have around 235 horsepower, and both of which are in its class.

The SRT-4 is more of a WRX competitor, but not a very rightful one.

 

[MazKid]

Thankyou Doug. I also found that the only realistic comparasion is the MPV and Caravan.

Sadly, the MPV doesn't do well in this comparo. The MPV, while totally in the same class and all, is smaller than the Caravan and has just as much power to wieght as the Caravan.

 

[Cobraboy]

Originally posted by MazKid
YOU ARE A BLATHERING IDIOT!!!

We all know what you wanted to say , If only you werent so polite.........

'Buzz' is a big-headed wanker. Dont even try to correct him, he'll always be right...., better yet, dont associate yourself with people like him, they cant aknowledge the fact that you have way more knowledge then they do...

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

damn I love the SRT-4

i have to get me one of those

 

[The Porko]

I have to agree with mazkid. Your right dude :thumbsup: I think he should learn something about car classification.

 

[Duke]

Now if he was comparing the SRT-4 to the Mazspeed Protege, he'd be right on the money. And the cars would be much more comparable.

The thing to remember is that the SRT-4 is going to get massive Mopar Performance support. The Mazspeed Protege is a nice car and I'd be happy to find one in my Christmas stocking, but it is already tuned by the home-team and will be harder to wring more performance from. With Ma Mopar behind the SRT, on the other hand, I forsee 12-second 1/4 mile times available for under $1500 on top of the base $19,000 price. Remember, Dodge has built more small-bore turbo cars than many other manufacturers around. I've seen an Omni GLH purchased and modified for $2000 outrun a Z06 Corvette by a pretty good margin.

PS to Rumple - while you're at the store, would you please pick me up a yellow one? Thanks!

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

Originally posted by neon_duke
Now if he was comparing the SRT-4 to the Mazspeed Protege, he'd be right on the money. And the cars would be much more comparable.

The thing to remember is that the SRT-4 is going to get massive Mopar Performance support. The Mazspeed Protege is a nice car and I'd be happy to find one in my Christmas stocking, but it is already tuned by the home-team and will be harder to wring more performance from. With Ma Mopar behind the SRT, on the other hand, I forsee 12-second 1/4 mile times available for under $1500 on top of the base $19,000 price. Remember, Dodge has built more small-bore turbo cars than many other manufacturers around. I've seen an Omni GLH purchased and modified for $2000 outrun a Z06 Corvette by a pretty good margin.

PS to Rumple - while you're at the store, would you please pick me up a yellow one? Thanks!

yellow ones mine, you get a nice black one

5.9 second 0-60, for that cheap.. you cant go wrong

i mean, you sink another 10 grand in mods in that thing and it would fly

 

[misnblu]

Hey Mazkid, how do you figure the RX8 to be a 2 door sedan??
The previous generation was considered a true sports car by many including Mazda. What makes the Rx8 any different?
Theoretically the rx8 is in direct competition with the 350z and it too is classified as a true sport model.
Just curious.
I know your into the Mazda autos so you should know.
Misnblu
Oh and remember that GTRSman is only 11 so his wealth of knowledge will be limited, so dont be so hard on him.
He does good for an 11 year old for sure.

 

[Duke]

It's not so much the lack of knowledge as his failure to recognize that lack that gets to me. We were all ignorant once. It's our effort to correct that ignorance (or lack thereof) that makes the difference.

Rumple - thanks! If you want yellow, then I'll switch my order to red, please. And it won't take anything like $10,000 to make that car very quick...

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by neon_duke
The Mazspeed Protege is a nice car and I'd be happy to find one in my Christmas stocking, but it is already tuned by the home-team and will be harder to wring more performance from

Do you really think you can't get much more than 170HP from a 2.0L 4-cylinder? Does anyone still think this when we have not just one, but many examples of more: VAG 1.8T, Subaru STi, Lancer EVO, etc.. "Only 170HP" is putting it lightly. VAG is currently getting 245HP from it's 1.8T as seen in its SEAT division. 2.0L from someone like Mazda is a good bet on being able to get more.

 

[MazKid]

Misn, the RX-8 DOES NOT replace the RX-7 nor is it the next generation RX-7. A lot of people are mis-informed on this. The RX-8 is a 4 seater, 4 door sports sedan. The back doors are the mini-doors, but it's the same and not a true sports car, and never was going to be a true sports car. It's a "family sports car". I like the idea, and the next RX-7 is supposed to start coming around in 2004...

 

[ShobThaBob]

I voted for the other guy. Simply because of mazkid's extreme bias towards mazda. If mazda was so extremely wonderful, they would be the leading seller of cars. Period. I have never liked mazda as a whole. Ever. The only cars they make that i would willingly consider buying (i would take anything for free) are the Protege5 or RX7. If i got an RX7 i would have a lot of engine work done to ensure that it didnt explode on me or fail (which is why they took it off the market. the engine was dying too much, and killing them on factory warrantees). So uhm, yeah. Also, if mazda was so great, they wouldnt be partially/fully owned by ford (dont know the exact logistics of the agreement/takeover). Nowadays, the only decent fords are the trucks and Cobra. They just had to make the mustang styling bland. They had to stop making the taurus SHO. They just keep settling for supercharging their crapass 4.6L instead of tuning it like crazy. Sigh. Oh well.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

 

[Talentless]

I'm not just a 16 year old "kid", I'm way above that in knowlage and way of thinking, and I beg you to be the same way and GET SMARTER! Being dumb only means that you make other people dumb. Soon the world is dumb because Buzz is telling people this garbage, and like the idiots that unfortunately make up a lot of the world, THEY LISTEN!

Maz, no offense, but citing your intelligence and telling others to get smarter does not put a positive face on your character. It's inappropriate conduct in a debate.

Now, given that I know nothing about either car I will refrain from voting at this time.

 

[Joey D]

WTF!?!?!?!?! RX-8 to the Viper! Thats funny I mean God they aren't even close.

Also the B2000 if any thing should be compared to the Dakota...thats as close as you can get in the Dodge line up.

As for the Srt-4 and the 6 well there the closes outta all the ones he's trying to compare but still.

It would be like me comparing a Trans Am to a Ford Econoline. It just can't happen.

 

[Ryan2]

All hail the great Maz.

 

[NASCARnut]

Buzz, get to know your cars and their classes better before you go and start something llike this.

Why dont any of the magazines compare a geo metro to a Ferrari?? They're both cars. BUT they're in totally different classes.

Or why dont they compare a dump truck to a Ford Lightning. They're in totally different classes.

 

[StevieMo]

Originally posted by ShobThaBob
I voted for the other guy. Simply because of mazkid's extreme bias towards mazda. If mazda was so extremely wonderful, they would be the leading seller of cars. Period. I have never liked mazda as a whole. Ever. The only cars they make that i would willingly consider buying (i would take anything for free) are the Protege5 or RX7. If i got an RX7 i would have a lot of engine work done to ensure that it didnt explode on me or fail (which is why they took it off the market. the engine was dying too much, and killing them on factory warrantees). So uhm, yeah. Also, if mazda was so great, they wouldnt be partially/fully owned by ford (dont know the exact logistics of the agreement/takeover). Nowadays, the only decent fords are the trucks and Cobra. They just had to make the mustang styling bland. They had to stop making the taurus SHO. They just keep settling for supercharging their crapass 4.6L instead of tuning it like crazy. Sigh. Oh well.

Yet another incredibly stupid post by Shob.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Perhaps. We all have our opinions. Not everybody eats their own poop.

 

[Sertsa]

I thought the RX-7 was taking out of the North American market simply because of emissions regulations. The rotaries emitted unburned hydrocarbons. It's never stopped being sold in Japan, I believe. The RX-8's rotary design traps the hydrocarbons to be burned off later, making it meet the requirements. At least that's how I understand it.

Anyway, MazKid, yup, you can't just compare anything with an engine and wheels, like a 2+2, $30K sports car with an $80K limited production testosterone-mobile, or a $20K factory-tuned sports compact. So you're right.

 

[MazKid]

Yea, Sertsa. Actually though the RX-7 was stopped in Japan in April 2002 with the Spirit R...

But the RX-8 is a different model, and the next RX-7 is said to be a sleeker RX-8 design, 2 doors, and a turbo Renesis rotary(where as the RX-8's Renesis is NA)...I'll keep everyone updated on all that stuff when it starts happeneing.

 

[misnblu]

Hooligan, thanks for the enlightening man.
Yeah, I guess I was misinformed on the Rx series.
Hmmm, never knew the rx8 would be considered the family sport coupe.
Well, I do hope the Rx7 will come back, in my book, they are the hottest cars around.
Misnblu

 

[alex_gt]

Competing over knowledge

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by misnblu
Hooligan, thanks for the enlightening man.

I try. I often get caught up in nostalgia coloring my view of history, but sometimes it's not just nostalgia. Things really were better way back when.

 

[12sec. Civic]

Buzz is a moron. He keeps at you because he can see you are getting so flustered. I have dealt with plenty of stupid jerk offs like him and there is no way to argue with them.


I like how he says, "the RX-8 is a car and the Viper is a car" yah, so now they can be compared Buzz, you obnoxious peice of garbage.

I also like how he says the Mazda B4000 is a truck as well as a Ram. What a mororn; I have to say, I'll give him this much, he is good at getting on peoples nerves because I get VERY frustrated just knowing that there are people like that among us, who have no other way to interact with other people. If he chooses to ignore the differences between the B4000 and Ram, as well as the RX-8 and the Viper and try to pretend like he honestly can't see the difference, then he must be lying because any human has the categorizational skills to group those two cars seperately. If he doesnt understand words like full size and compact try using words like "BIG" and "small". Or just tell him that a B4000 weighs 3400lbs and a Ram weighs 5500lbs, And that the B4000 has 210hp and the Ram has 465hp etc. There is a big difference, but one isnt better that the other. I would rather have the smaller more nimble vehicle.

 

[MildMatt]

Props to Talentless. Well put.

The Madza RX8: A family car?
Well, it does have four doors, and foor seats, so it *must* be right? Right?

I can't help but think...wrong.

The rear 'doors' aren't exactly the bigges things on earth. You'd have to be a munchkin to be able to fit into it.

To me, a family car is a practical car. That RX8 isn't that.

Call it what you will, and I'm not knocking the car. If they sell it over here for Sub £23,000, it will kill the market, but it's not a family car.

I think misnblu has it when he says the rx8 is in direct competition with the 350z and it too is classified as a true sport model. The 350Z isn't a family car, nor is the RX8.

 

[MazKid]

It's a family sports car, not a family sedan. Please keep with me here. Like a sports coupe...4 seats.

 

[misnblu]

It doesnt matter, its a great car for the money and whip tails off of the Maxima as far as family sports coupes.
Only the Jetta 1.8t, Audi A series and the 5 series BMW's would be close. But even they would pale compared to the RX8 in performance and handling.
Heck, the Mazda 6 will rule the market and probably take all of the hoopla away from the Altima.
There is a fine line that distinguishes a sports car from a sports coupe these days.
Misnblu

 

[MildMatt]

Sedan, sports car. Whatever.

It's not family.

Just because it has four seats does not mean it can cope with the needs that a family would throw at it.
It';s a sports car, yes, and a very good one at that, but you won't see any families buying them.