Lexus LF-A: The Long and Winding Road

[Div is back]

I say cut slicks, underrated, special edition, Lexus are uber liars.

 

[McLaren]

And no idea where the price tag of about $100.000 came from, I only found $170.000 which sounds a lot more convincing. F1 parts tend to cost a lot.

This came from media when they asked Lexus about an estimate. Now, if it is under $170,000 and can at least run next to the Gallardo & F430, it'll still be a great car, and won't be opening any large price gaps as the most expensive Lexus available now is $72,000 base & $95,000 built up. However, this is only based on the LS460L. The h model can reach well over $100K with all the trimmings.

I say cut slicks, underrated, special edition, Lexus are uber liars.

Lexus isn't claiming this. In fact, no one is sure. But it's a mule and it's already been deemed unofficial which means the time is up for investigation.

]Is it just me or does that car look mid-engined to anyone else?[/U]:blink: It has sidescoops behind doors and outlets between rear lights and register plate holder.. Transversely mounted mid-engined layout or longitudinally mounted FR? only time will tell I guess.. and i want proper evidence of this overly luxurious toyotas lap before believing it. I'm willing to say that it will get a wee bit slower when the safety people have done their part..

It is.

Its front mid-engine placement, along with a rear-mounted transaxle and rear-mounted radiators, allows for excellent weight distribution.

Lexus has also not given a weight for this car, but an estimate might be predictable from their specs.

Overall Length: 175.6
Overall Width: 74.6
Overall Height: 48.0
Wheelbase: 102.3

 

[YSSMAN]

Remember though: This is a car built to celebrate F1 racing, light weight seems like it would be a major goal.

I'm not sure what Toyota has to celebrate about. Are they going to build a NASCAR-spec Camry too?

I kid...

Its a nifty car, I do actually like it (secretively), I'm just unsure of how well they will end up pulling it off. Seeing the prototype in Chicago earlier this year made an impression to say the least, and I'm sure that with proper development, anything is possible.

Personally, however, I'd rather see a Supra-Redux or some other small RWD sports car. Not everyone has more than $100K to blow these days, especially in the United States...

 

[Div is back]

Lexus isn't claiming this. In fact, no one is sure. But it's a mule and it's already been deemed unofficial which means the time is up for investigation.

It was my Forza2.0 impression, you didn't like?

 

[McLaren]

It was my Forza2.0 impression, you didn't like?

I haven't really been paying attention to his posts, honestly.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Not everyone has more than $100K to blow these days, especially in the United States...

For your information, there isnt a single state out there where everyone has $100k "to blow".

 

[Year.Zero]

I quite like it. As for the feasibility 7:24...uh, heh. I wish. Seriously, how can that thing weigh under 2500lbs? It just can't. Even the Ferrari F40 weighs just 75lbs less than that, and it was a ridiculous price—and it aspired to be an F1 car for the road.


Not sure what its' time on the Nurb was, but apparently not 7:24.

And since Toyota are huge sticklers for build quality, you can bet they won't be putting on a single layer of paint and leaving the doors uninsulated, or have half the car made of fibreglass and glued together.

So, to me, the claim of 7:24 is ridiculous (as has popular opinion reflected). But, I still think a sub-8 minute time is reachable. In the right hands (ie. NOT a magazine editor), a car can typically make up about 1 second per km compared to the test driver's time, which means over the(exceptionally long) Nurburgring, that adds up to quite a bit. So I think 7:45 sounds about right, to me—at least from these wonderful performance gestures I've heard about.

For your information, there isnt a single state out there where everyone has $100k "to blow".

(What?)

 

[Greycap]

Err, *McLaren*, mid-engined is not the same thing as front-mid-engined. Proper mid-engined is the one with the engine behind the seats. You wouldn't call the FD RX-7 or the new GT-R mid-engined, would you?

 

[forza2.0]

I say cut slicks, underrated, special edition, Lexus are uber liars.

Emotional boy.

See with toyota/lexus I have no reasons to doubt due to the specs of the car and the fact that they do not have a history of lying unlike nissan

So much for me being anti japanese

 

[Div is back]

They simply have no history.
Where did I say you were anti-japanese?
Still making stuff up?

Ah those Seat drivers, always have to prove they're better*points at avatar,location,PSN,XBL and sig*.

 

[forza2.0]

They simply have no history.
Where did I say you were anti-japanese?
Still making stuff up?

Ah those Seat drivers, always have to prove they're better*points at avatar,location,PSN,XBL and sig*.

toyota/lexus have no history?



I have told you before to do research on things you are not sure about.

 

[Greycap]

I'm sure you don't mind presenting us the astonishing history of fast cars from Lexus then, and while you're at it, you'll probably enlighten us by the great motorsports heritage of them too?

 

[forza2.0]

I'm sure you don't mind presenting us the astonishing history of fast cars from Lexus then, and while you're at it, you'll probably enlighten us by the great motorsports heritage of them too?

lexus and toyota are the same company. Toyota calls the shots, lexus is just a division under toyota like SEAT, audi skoda etc is to VW.

Lexus history is toyota history.

 

[Div is back]

So all the Audi rally wins are thanks to VW?
The R8 LMP is thanks to VW?

Should they brand their passats TDI based on the R10 ?

 

[forza2.0]

So all the Audi rally wins are thanks to VW?
The R8 LMP is thanks to VW?

Should they brand their passats TDI based on the R10 ?

This lexus is packed with F1 technology. So how long has lexus been in F1 again?

 

[Div is back]

The Lambo is packed with F1 technology, same for Porsche.
Your logics are uterly flawed.

 

[forza2.0]

The Lambo is packed with F1 technology, same for Porsche.
Your logics are uterly flawed.

Really? What technology is that then? Dont tell me the same ones that can be found in hatchbacks etc for the last 5 years

 

[Div is back]

So you're saying Lamborghini and Porsche don't use F1 technologies?

You're making less sense every time you write, please stop.

 

[forza2.0]

So you're saying Lamborghini and Porsche don't use F1 technologies?

You're making less sense every time you write, please stop.

No im asking you specifically what technology it is they use that ordinary cars bought by ordinary people like me and you dont also have. Technology that is used in F1 and only just being utilisied in super cars such as the lambo and CGT as you so claim.

Please explain yourself, as it is indeed you who makes no sense, yet again writing about things of which you have no knowledge

 

[Joey D]

They probably don't use F1 technology because they do not have F1 teams. Sure they use things that are on F1 cars like the flappy paddles and launch control but they come out of Le Mans cars as well.

 

[forza2.0]

They probably don't use F1 technology because they do not have F1 teams. Sure they use things that are on F1 cars like the flappy paddles and launch control but they come out of Le Mans cars as well.

Precisely what im getting at. The CGT uses racecar technology in a sense, but its Le Mans car tech at that.

 

[Div is back]

No im asking you specifically what technology it is they use that ordinary cars bought by ordinary people like me and you dont also have. Technology that is used in F1 and only just being utilisied in super cars such as the lambo and CGT as you so claim.

Please explain yourself, as it is indeed you who makes no sense, yet again writing about things of which you have no knowledge

I can't make out your first sentence and I can't understand your logic, really, I just can't.

Why are you bringing "ordinary cars" and "ordinary people" into play? We are talking about the high end Porsches and Lamborghinis, no?

 

[forza2.0]

I can't make out your first sentence and I can't understand your logic, really, I just can't.

Why are you bringing "ordinary cars" and "ordinary people" into play? We are talking about the high end Porsches and Lamborghinis, no?

Is english not your first language? Its not mine and it makes perfect sense to me.

I want to know from you what F1 technology lamborghini and porsche use in their roadcars. Understand?

 

[Div is back]

Really? What technology is that then? Dont tell me the same ones that can be found in hatchbacks etc for the last 5 years

Your SEAT has a full carbon fiber monocoque, 100 milisecond or less transmission, carbon ceramic brakes, full aluminum engine, etc ?

 

[Div is back]

Did you miss this post ? :

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Technology of note includes a pure carbon fiber monocoque and subframe, dry sump lubrication and inboard suspension. The carbon fiber monocoque and subframe were produced and assembled by ATR Composites Group of Italy. The Carrera GT radiator is about five times the size of a 911 turbo's. Unlike some of its rivals, the Carrera GT does not feature dynamic stability control, but it does have traction control. Porsche claims that over 75 technology patents have been filed from development of the Carrera GT.

http://www.atrgroup.it/eng/atrcomposites/prototipazione.htm

 

[forza2.0]

Your SEAT has a full carbon fiber monocoque, 100 milisecond or less transmission, carbon ceramic brakes, full aluminum engine, etc ?

Since when is that F1 technology? Everything you have mentioned above has been used in some roadcars and other race car series for years. What you have mentioned above is not technology exclusive to F1. These days any serious race series or super car has that.

Technology of note includes a pure carbon fiber monocoque and subframe, dry sump lubrication and inboard suspension. The carbon fiber monocoque and subframe were produced and assembled by ATR Composites Group of Italy. The Carrera GT radiator is about five times the size of a 911 turbo's. Unlike some of its rivals, the Carrera GT does not feature dynamic stability control, but it does have traction control. Porsche claims that over 75 technology patents have been filed from development of the Carrera GT.

I dont see were it says that it is F1 technology.

Like I have told you before the CGT engine was originally designed to be used in a le mans racer, but then ended up in the CGT. It uses le mans technology, not F1.

 

[Div is back]

Check the link, the same company that did the CGT monocoque designs prototype monocoques for F1.
http://www.atrgroup.it/eng/storia.htm
Since when is that F1 technology?
Who introduced carbon fiber monocoques?
http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/chassis/tech_chassis2.htm


Get your facts straight.

 

[Joey D]

Can't we just say racecar technology since it's quite apparent it's used in all forms of automotive racing?

 

[Greycap]

Come to think of it, there isn't that much technology in F1 nowadays that isn't used anywhere else where rules allow it and it's sensible. I can't think of a single example to be honest.

 

[Div is back]

I agree with that, however it mostly originated from F1, which Forza2.0 is trying to ignore.