Lexus LF-A: The Long and Winding Road

[forza2.0]

Check the link, the same company that did the CGT monocoque designs prototype monocoques for F1.
Since when is that F1 technology?
Who introduced carbon fiber monocoques?
http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/chassis/tech_chassis2.htm

Get your facts straight.

Carbon fibre monocoques has been used for decades. Its no longer F1 technology when dozens upon dozens of roadcars have been using it.

Going by your way of thinking my car has F1 technology because it has 4 wheels like a F1 car

Or because my friends crappy citroen has paddle shift gearbox, or my other friend has DSG. Or then theres mmy friend with the Ceramic brake discs.

If I buy bridgestone tires does that then mean my car has F1 technology too?

 

[forza2.0]

Come to think of it, there isn't that much technology in F1 nowadays that isn't used anywhere else where rules allow it and it's sensible. I can't think of a single example to be honest.

Ferrari enzo fXX and that scuderia are true examples of cars that use current F1 tech.

 

[Div is back]

You're such a kid, deforming anything we might say and turning it into your favor.
You have an history of being subjective and trying to prove everyone wrong.

I will no longer answer your pathetic, "emo"con filled posts.

 

[forza2.0]

You're such a kid, deforming anything we might say and turning it into your favor.
You have an history of being subjective and trying to prove everyone wrong.

I will no longer answer your pathetic, "emo"con filled posts.

Good because you never post anything constructive. You are the one who took this thread off course.

So back on topic.

Like I said before I would not really doubt if this car can do a 7 min 35 sec lap give or take a couple secs either way. If it did a 7 min 30 I would not be surprised imo. It certainly has the on paper specs to do it, unlike the GTR.

 

[Div is back]

👍

Emotional boy.

See with toyota/lexus I have no reasons to doubt due to the specs of the car and the fact that they do not have a history of lying unlike nissan

So much for me being anti japanese

You took this off topic.
💡

 

[forza2.0]

Cant even stick to your word and you manage to take things offtopic again.


heres the original:

It was my Forza2.0 impression, you didn't like?

 

[Div is back]

I apologize if I offended you.

 

[Tornado]

Ferrari enzo fXX and that scuderia are true examples of cars that use current F1 tech.

Just because it is a Ferrari doesn't mean anything. One could make a fine argument that most of the bits and pieces in those cars have been in Ferrari's for over a decade, so the FXX and Scuderia are not F1 inspired so much as they are just Ferrari inspired.

 

[McLaren]

Err, *McLaren*, mid-engined is not the same thing as front-mid-engined. Proper mid-engined is the one with the engine behind the seats. You wouldn't call the FD RX-7 or the new GT-R mid-engined, would you?

He said it looked mid-engine, and Lexus mentions that it's a front mid-engine. That's why it looks like one.

Emotional boy.

See with toyota/lexus I have no reasons to doubt due to the specs of the car and the fact that they do not have a history of lying unlike nissan

So much for me being anti japanese

What supercar history does Toyota/Lexus have?

They probably don't use F1 technology because they do not have F1 teams. Sure they use things that are on F1 cars like the flappy paddles and launch control but they come out of Le Mans cars as well.

But where is the origin of the sequential manual transmission from? Formula 1 cars which is why so many people labeled the F355 to have F1 Paddles.

Precisely what im getting at. The CGT uses racecar technology in a sense, but its Le Mans car tech at that.

Maybe because Porsche's original intentions where to race it there? They weren't just going to throw that all away when they decided it should become a road car.

Since when is that F1 technology? Everything you have mentioned above has been used in some roadcars and other race car series for years. What you have mentioned above is not technology exclusive to F1. These days any serious race series or super car has that.

It's F1 technology because Formula 1 made it famous. The F1-derived Paddle Shift is known as a sequential manual transmission in which case the Gallardo, Porsche 911's, BMW's, etc. all tend to use or set as an option.

It does not matter if other racing series use it, the point is that it's F1 technology because it came from Formula 1. Formula 1 is responsible for the introduction of the sequential manual transmission in other forms of racing. You could say it's the reason other road cars have switched to it, but that's mainly because of Ferrari who made it famous. Oh wait, Ferrari was using its F1 technology when it introduced paddles in a road car.

Ferrari enzo fXX and that scuderia are true examples of cars that use current F1 tech.

Because that's how Ferrari shows off its technology. Why do you think a Scuderia costs $90,000 more than a F430?

 

[Div is back]

You're wasting your time.

 

[Joey D]

What supercar history does Toyota/Lexus have?

About the same as Nissan. A road going version of a LMP car that was probably never sold to the public. This of course is the Toyota GT-1 and the Nissan R390.

But where is the origin of the sequential manual transmission from? Formula 1 cars which is why so many people labeled the F355 to have F1 Paddles.

I thought sequential manual transmissions came from motorcycles first? Or even those early shifters on drag cars.

 

[Eric.]

Does every single thread about $100k sportscars/supercars have to turn into a flame war around here? Its getting ridiculous...First the GT-R v. ZR1 debate, now the "origin of car technology" discussion.

Shut up, please.

Edit: Joey, I wouldn't really count those two examples as being supercars, especially since only one GT-ONE was built. Probably only a handful of R390s as well, but I'm not certain. And the GT-One sits in a museum...

 

[Year.Zero]

But where is the origin of the sequential manual transmission from? Formula 1 cars which is why so many people labeled the F355 to have F1 Paddles.

It's F1 technology because Formula 1 made it famous. The F1-derived Paddle Shift is known as a sequential manual transmission in which case the Gallardo, Porsche 911's, BMW's, etc. all tend to use or set as an option.

The point is that it's F1 technology because it came from Formula 1. Formula 1 is responsible for the introduction of the sequential manual transmission in other forms of racing.

Thank you! 👍 Finally, some ends to the incessant arguing in here.

F1 technology is STILL F1 technology, regardless of how widespread or available it becomes.

Side-view mirrors: F1 technology. Invented by Grand Prix racers during the early formations of the sport who wanted to see approaching cars to adjust their driving style.

CVT transmissions: F1 Technology. Developed by...(I'm not too sure on this one) Williams F1? Either way, it was used in a test car by David Coulthard before he was signed to race in F1—and it was averaging 1 second per lap faster than the competition. It was banned before it could ever race; it later trickled down to roadcars.

Interestingly, it's Toyota who seem to have embraced the CVT most.

Carbon fibre: CF alone is a uniquely Formula 1-derived technology, though first appeared in aeronautics and the like, but prior to the Bugatti EB110 supercar, carbon chassis' roadcars were unheard-of.

Spoilers and Wings:

Also and F1 technology, one of the earliest examples being the Lotus 63 (I'm sure there was someone before them, just can't remember who)

Bladder-style petrol reservoirs: Instead of a gas tank, a puncture-resistant rubber bladder is used to reduce the risk of fires. This has been applied to lots of other motorsports, but I'm not sure of its' use in roadcar ATM.

Need I go on?


F1 has been the driving technological development force of many innovations found in roadcars, whether you accept it or not.

 

[McLaren]

About the same as Nissan. A road going version of a LMP car that was probably never sold to the public. This of course is the Toyota GT-1 and the Nissan R390.

Good point, but Nissan does have a bit more since there actually maybe 2 R390's sold to the public. As far as I know, Toyota never made more than one road version of the GT-One.

I thought sequential manual transmissions came from motorcycles first? Or even those early shifters on drag cars.

Sort of, but Formula 1 is where your current ones today came from.

Does every single thread about $100k sportscars/supercars have to turn into a flame war around here? Its getting ridiculous...First the GT-R v. ZR1 debate, now the "origin of car technology" discussion.

And what good are posts like your's doing for the discussion?

 

[Eric.]

And what good are posts like your's doing for the discussion?

Trying to stop the needless arguing that is ruining the thread and some others. Sorry if you think that is a problem.

You'd rather hear "No, its F1 technology" "No you liar its from LeMans car technology" "Is not" "Is too" "Prove it" "Why don't you prove it"

etc?

 

[YSSMAN]

The fact of the matter is that the LF-A is supposed to be a nod to Toyota's "success in F1," hence the V10 engine and the like. However, unless they've done some magic in Japan, my guess is that this may not have the sequential box we'd all be hoping for and instead will more likely make use of that eight-speed box thats being crammed into everything "sporty" at the Lexus brand (the F-cars and the like).

I do, however, expect this car to be blazingly fast. Its hard to imagine that if it indeed is as light and as powerful as they claim, there isn't any reason why it wouldn't be able to hang with the likes of the ZR-1 or the 599 GTB. That being said, we're still well over a year from the car ever hitting pavement in our world, and given how quickly the game has changed in the roughly four years since the car's concept first debuted (give or take), the game has in fact changed dramatically since.

We'll see what comes of it. Maybe Mercedes gets creative and builds some hyper-SL that no one was expecting. What about those rumors of the BMW 8-series successor? The M1 shall we call it?

Time moves on. I just wish Toyota wouldn't take so long...

 

[Eric.]

That eight-speed auto is supposedly pretty good though, is it not?

 

[YSSMAN]

Very good, apparently. I don't know if they're calling it "best in teh biz" (I think that title still is siting with the ZF six-speed, maybe the Mercedes 7GTRONIC), but its pretty direct in terms of what needs to get done. Odd that automatics are turning out this well these days. I recall a time when a slushbox was a death sentence...

 

[niky]

Interestingly, it's Toyota who seem to have embraced the CVT most.

Actually, I have yet to see a Toyota road car running one, while our streets are literally crawling with Honda CVTs.

Bladder-style petrol reservoirs: Instead of a gas tank, a puncture-resistant rubber bladder is used to reduce the risk of fires. This has been applied to lots of other motorsports, but I'm not sure of its' use in roadcar ATM.

I'm pretty sure some supercars have it, but I'm fuzzy on the details. I'm reasonably sure the McLaren F1 uses a fuel bladder.

 

[Tornado]

Spoilers and Wings:

Also and F1 technology

If by "F1" you mean "Can-Am," then yes.

Actually, I have yet to see a Toyota road car running one, while our streets are literally crawling with Honda CVTs.

I believe (though I may be wrong) he meant within the sport.

the game has changed in the roughly four years since the car's concept first debuted (give or take), the game has in fact changed dramatically since.

Good point, but Nissan does have a bit more since there actually maybe 2 R390's sold to the public. As far as I know, Toyota never made more than one road version of the GT-On

Actually, I believe there was one of each.

About the same as Nissan. A road going version of a LMP car that was probably never sold to the public. This of course is the Toyota GT-1 and the Nissan R390.

Homologation specials really don't count for anything. If they did, Lancia would be one of the most world famous racing marques.

Besides, Lexus also has 15 years of building these (and I know that is not being fair, and I know that there are nice driving Lexii, but I also know they are in the minority):

Whereas Nissan has spent those 15 years telling people that they build cars that you would want to drive.
And believe me, if people are dumb enough to buy the LX and ES, they are dumb enough to not know that Lexus is synonymous with Toyota. Nissan obviously thought so when they badged the GT-R as a Nissan and not an Infiniti.

 

[forza2.0]

What supercar history does Toyota/Lexus have?

Did I say that they had any? No I did not. I said they do not have a history of lying when it comes to their performance cars. The GTR is not a supercar anyhow.

But where is the origin of the sequential manual transmission from? Formula 1 cars which is why so many people labeled the F355 to have F1 Paddles.


Maybe because Porsche's original intentions where to race it there? They weren't just going to throw that all away when they decided it should become a road car.

You are telling me something I already know. Its like you feel the need to defend porsche here because they used le mans tech as if im trying to say its inferior because of it. Porsche doesnt need defending.

It's F1 technology because Formula 1 made it famous. The F1-derived Paddle Shift is known as a sequential manual transmission in which case the Gallardo, Porsche 911's, BMW's, etc. all tend to use or set as an option.

Its no longer F1 technology when every tom dick and harry has it.

It does not matter if other racing series use it, the point is that it's F1 technology because it came from Formula 1. Formula 1 is responsible for the introduction of the sequential manual transmission in other forms of racing. You could say it's the reason other road cars have switched to it, but that's mainly because of Ferrari who made it famous. Oh wait, Ferrari was using its F1 technology when it introduced paddles in a road car.

Most things in roadcars today has come from F1 technology but you dont see me running around saying my car is a derative road version F1 car

Because that's how Ferrari shows off its technology. Why do you think a Scuderia costs $90,000 more than a F430?

I dont see what you are trying to argue. Do you think i was putting down ferrari or something? Or telling me something I dont know? I really dont see why you quoted me so much. The whole point is that this lexus is supposed to be packed with F1 technology, and the CGT and Lambos are not unlike Div likes to claim for some reason

 

[YSSMAN]

Thats what happens when you're on pain pills...

Besides, Lexus also has 15 years of building these (and I know that is not being fair, and I know that there are nice driving Lexii, but I also know they are in the minority):

So if Buick is the "Lexus Competitor" at GM, does that mean they get a 550 BHP sports couple too?

...Odd that Lexus is doing this and not Toyota. But even then, I almost see more old folks driving Toyotas than I do Lexii on most occasions...

 

[McLaren]

You are telling me something I already know. Its like you feel the need to defend porsche here because they used le mans tech as if im trying to say its inferior because of it. Porsche doesnt need defending.

Then why bother mentioning Porsche was using LeMans tech, not F1 technology?

I only replied that they used LeMans technology because that was the car's purpose. I'm not defending anyone.

Its no longer F1 technology when every tom dick and harry has it.

Sorry. It is. It derived from F1, therefore, it is F1 technology. Everyone else has just evolved it.

Most things in roadcars today has come from F1 technology but you dont see me running around saying my car is a derative road version F1 car

No one here is saying any roadcar came from a F1. Why are you making stuff up, now?

I dont see what you are trying to argue. Do you think i was putting down ferrari or something? Or telling me something I dont know? I really dont see why you quoted me so much.

You can't see it because you're just making up random thoughts and replies. I can't even understand what half of your replied had to do my posts.

The whole point is that this lexus is supposed to be packed with F1 technology, and the CGT and Lambos are not unlike Div likes to claim for some reason

Div is only claiming Lexus is not the only packing their supercar with F1 technology. You'd be surprised at how many supercars use a form of technology that originated in Formula 1.

 

[Tornado]

So if Buick is the "Lexus Competitor" at GM, does that mean they get a 550 BHP sports couple too?

They should call it Wildcat. Or just build the Velite.

 

[Year.Zero]

If by "F1" you mean "Can-Am," then yes.

Grand Prix racing is over 100 years old. The first wing first appeared shortly before 1963.

Can-Am racing wasn't founded until 1966.

 

[Tornado]

Everything I've read has said that Chaparral did it first in 1966.

 

[Jim Prower]

First aerodynamic wing? on a powered transportation machine?

I'd like to point you to Kitty Hawk, NC, 1903.

Race car wings are the same concept reversed. I'd also like the proof of GP wings hitting the scene in 1963. from what I see, reading the book I have right now, it's more 1968. That's two years after the highly adjustable wing on Chaparral's Can-Am 2E car.

However, must there be this debate on where F1 Tech comes from? Kind of silly. Toyota (or, at least, the press,) says the car is F1 inspired, that's it.

 

[YSSMAN]

They should call it Wildcat. Or just build the Velite.

The Velite is in semi-sorta production status. Buick isn't quite sure what they want to do yet...

Which reminds me!

The GMI folks are always good for a photochop. This would be an EXCELLENT LF-A competitor if GM had the guts to do something similar... Well, minus the two rear doors...

 

[Eric.]

However, must there be this debate on where F1 Tech comes from? Kind of silly. Toyota (or, at least, the press,) says the car is F1 inspired, that's it.

Exactly. I got *****ed at for trying to stop it though...

 

[McLaren]

The Velite is in semi-sorta production status. Buick isn't quite sure what they want to do yet...

Which reminds me!

The GMI folks are always good for a photochop. This would be an EXCELLENT LF-A competitor if GM had the guts to do something similar... Well, minus the two rear doors...

I hope Pininfarina sues the hell out of Buick if the car comes out looking like that. Buick is a fool to try to copy such an Italian design. It looks awful.