List of duplicated Mazda MX-5

MidFieldMaven

MidFieldMaven

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I went through the dealership and counted up how many cars we really don't need. I grouped them together, and we only need to keep 1 car from each group.

In short, there are only 11 Miatas we need (Plus the 1 NC model not listed)

And there are 22 Miatas that should disappear.

Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91
MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91
MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91

Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA) '93
MX-5 Miata J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93

MX-5 (NA) '89
MX-5 Miata (NA) '89
Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89

Roadster 1600 NR-A (NB) '04
MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
MX-5 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04

Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97
MX-5 Miata SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97

Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA) '95
MX-5 Miata S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95

Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95
MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
MX-5 VR Limited (NA, J) '95

Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93
MX-5 Miata V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93

Roadster 1.8 RS (NB) '98
MX-5 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
MX-5 Miata 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98

Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '00
MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '00

Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '04
MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
 
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Nah, that's not a good enough response for me.

Nobody needs 22 of the same damn car. Stop making excuses for PD.

99% of the duplicated cars are Japanese. You don't see 20 versions of the same Corvette.

I shouldn't need to scroll through 3 pages of the same car in the dealership.

Here's another big perpetrator, the S2000. Keep one of the following (the '99 would make the most sense) plus the premium '06 and delete 15 of these:

S2000 '01
S2000 '03
S2000 '99
S2000 (EU) '01
S2000 (EU) '03
S2000 (EU) '99
S2000 (US) '01
S2000 (US) '04
S2000 (US) '99
S2000 Type V '00
S2000 Type V '01
S2000 Type V '03
S2000 Type V (EU) '00
S2000 Type V (EU) '01
S2000 Type V (US) '00
S2000 Type V (US) '01

Between the S2000 and MX-5 is about 40 cars that serve NO purpose.
 
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SuzukaStar
Nah, that's not a good enough response for me.

Nobody needs 22 of the same damn car. Stop making excuses for PD.

99% of the duplicated cars are Japanese. You don't see 20 versions of the same Corvette.
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You know why they're duplicated - and why the Corvette isn't - right?

Incidentally, when you're canning 2 of the 3 MX-5s from each group, are you keeping LHD ones or RHD ones? Only Miatas are LHD, Eunos/Roadster are RHD and MX-5s are both.

I agree on the S2000s (though again, US is LHD, EU is both and the standard is RHD), but it's worth noting that the Type V S2000 differs from the regular one in a manner that I don't think GT simulates. Type V cars were equipped with a variable gear steering rack that halved the lock-to-lock rate to 1.4 at low, manouevreing speeds.

Personally, I'd keep all of the cars, but I'd list them in a different way. I'd class [Make] [Model] [Engine] as "a car" and then allow players to choose their trim after that:

So the car list would say:
1. Mazda, MX-5/Roadster/Miata NA, 1.6
2. Mazda, MX-5/Roadster/Miata NA, 1.8
3. Mazda, MX-5/Roadster/Miata NB, 1.6
4. Mazda, MX-5/Roadster/Miata NB, 1.8
5. Mazda, MX-5/Miata NC Roadster, 1.8
6. Mazda, MX-5/Miata NC Roadster, 2.0
7. Mazda, MX-5/Miata NC Coupe, 1.8
8. Mazda, MX-5/Miata NC Coupe, 2.0

And so on, and the players could choose from further submenus:
2. Mazda, MX-5/Roadster/Miata NA 1.8:
Miata (LHD)
'93, Limited Edition '93, M-Edition '94, M-Edition '95, M-Edition '96, M-Edition '97, STO '97
Eunos Roadster (RHD)
'93, S-Limited '93, J-Limited '94, G-Limited '95, R-Limited '95, RS-Limited '95, V-Special '96, VR-Limited I '96, VR-Limited II '96, SR-Limited '97, VR-Special '98
MX-5 (LHD)
'93, SE '93, Gleneagles '95, California '95, Monaco '96, Merlot '96, Dakar '97, Monza '97, Harvard '97, Classic '97, Berkeley '98
MX-5 (RHD)
'93, SE '93, Gleneagles '95, California '95, Monaco '96, Merlot '96, Dakar '97, Monza '97, Harvard '97, Classic '97, Berkeley '98

So the car list would say the MX-5/Miata/Roadster NA 1.8 was one car, but really players got forty cars to choose from...

You could add in generational facelifts (NB.5, NC.5, NC.75) to the eight listed cars and they could even include racing cars. So they'd promise eight cars, but really players would get up to a hundred. They'd have to be real and different though - there's no such thing as an MX-5 or Miata VR-Limited, so while duplicating the car for regional name differences is at least reasonable, giving us nonexistent trims calls the usefulness into question.

Do it the other way round and players get annoyed that there's a hundred listed cars but really only eight...
 
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Okay you know I really thought people hated duplicate cars, but I guess I was wrong.

Keep all ~200 duplicates that change nothing except the name and which side of the car the steering wheel's on.

Because quantity > quality right?

I live in the USA and wouldn't be mad if there were only RHD MX-5's in game. It has no effect on anything.
 
SuzukaStar
Okay you know I really thought people hated duplicate cars, but I guess I was wrong.

Keep all ~200 duplicates that change nothing except which side of the car the steering wheel's on.
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There was an S2000 seasonal event a couple of months back, I tried each of the S2000s using the same tune. There is a noticeable difference between models.
 
jimipitbull
There was an S2000 seasonal event a couple of months back, I tried each of the S2000s using the same tune. There is a noticeable difference between models.
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Now I'm curious. Noticeable? By more than a few tenths of a second? When they all have the same power, same weight, same PP +/- 1 or 2? I doubt it. Maybe tuned up, but stock? Forget it.
 
SuzukaStar
Now I'm curious. Noticeable? By more than a few tenths of a second? When they all have the same power, same weight, same PP +/- 1 or 2? I doubt it. Maybe tuned up, but stock? Forget it.
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How would you know if the suspension setting and ECU differences between the various models were not conveyed in game? Easier to just guess I suppose...
 
SuzukaStar
Do we need both LHD and RHD versions if they both have the same exact specs?
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Quantify "need".

It's nice to give people the choice. Americans get their "Miata" - a name that means nothing to us Europeans or Japanese. Japanese get their "Eunos Roadster" or "Roadster" - a name that means nothing to us Europeans or Americans. Europeans get their "MX-5" - a name that means nothing to us Americans or Japanese. Everyone's happy.

Do we need it like that? No.


However, have a read of what I edited in afterwards about presentation of the car list.
 
Famine
Americans get their "Miata" - a name that means nothing to us Europeans or Japanese. Japanese get their "Eunos Roadster" or "Roadster" - a name that means nothing to us Europeans or Americans. Europeans get their "MX-5" - a name that means nothing to us Americans or Japanese.
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It would be better if they used the right names for the market in question; PAL = MX-5, NTSC = Miata etc.

@SuzukaStar - I'm in favour of dropping all the duplicates, as well as all the pointless multiple models.


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VBR
It would be better if they used the right names for the market in question; PAL = MX-5, NTSC = Miata etc.
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Why?

I've driven MX-5s, Eunos Roadsters AND Miatas. Why stop me from driving a Miata in GT just because I live in the UK? Why exclude Japanese and American gamers from the epic and ultrarare MX-5 Le Mans?

Why go back to the dark days of regionally different versions of GT with different car lists?
 
Ok well it makes the screens look cluttered. I like Famine's idea, but scrolling screens have been around since the beginning, so I doubt they're going anywhere soon. I still say having both a RHD and LHD car is pointless.
 
I won't lie, I love my Miatas. Since I do love my Miatas, I appreciate the fact that I have plenty to choose from and that there are some differences--a car to fill a need.
I'm not a Skyline fanboy by any means. I appreciate what the new GT-R is capable of (though there are those that would argue it's really a Skyline) but I hold no sentimental value over older models...save for the R30 and even then it's due to the engine more than anything else. That said, I still appreciate the fact that there are a number to choose from and, again, a car to fill a need.

I don't pay attention to the Feedback forum anymore because it's chock full of whiners, but it was hard to miss this thread among the recent posts in the main GT6 forum menu.
 
SuzukaStar
Ok well it makes the screens look cluttered. I like Famine's idea, but scrolling screens have been around since the beginning, so I doubt they're going anywhere soon. I still say having both a RHD and LHD car is pointless.
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Why?

The purpose of having every day cars in GT is to allow you to drive your car. Now I'll grant you that no-one has an MX-5 VR-Limited because they don't exist and its inclusion is merely an oversight from GT4's days where they namechanged the models for each region but left the trims intact so that when they merged the region lists in GT5 we got all these nonexistent trims but people in the UK don't have LHD Miatas - we have RHD MX-5s.

Chop the Miatas and MX-5s out for just Eunos Roadsters and you stop EU mainland and US MX-5/Miata drivers from driving their car, while UK MX-5 drivers can get close enough. Chop the MX-5s and Eunos Roadsters and Japanese and UK drivers can't drive their car, while US Miata owners are happy and EU MX-5 owners can get close enough.

I don't want to stop a US GT player driving his Miata. I want him to drive his Miata - if he wants to - so I don't want Miatas to be cut. I don't want Eunos Roadsters to be cut either - I mean, the car is Japanese, so removing the Japanese version of it seems silly. I don't want MX-5s to be cut either - then I can't drive my car and the UK is the biggest market for the car anyway (that's why we're getting three quarters of the 25AE run - the USA gets a tenth).


Removing cars isn't the way to go - it removes choice and limits fun. Listing them as individual cars isn't either - people can't see past the fact there's 34 cars with the same name. Underplaying them, by listing make/model/engine as "a car", is the way forward.
 
What I find interesting is that people see the standard vs premium argument as a matter of quantity vs quality, when it's farther from the truth. This argument would be true if the standard cars themselves presented a trade off in the machine list, dissallowing PD from acquiring more Premium cars because they decided to have standards, which is a ridiculous proposition as the car modelling team's focus is on fully modelling new cars, not adding standard cars. Kaz himself states that the main focus of the car list now is to expand the Premium cars, of which we already have plenty. So what's the issue with standards at the end of the day? These machines remain optional to players, moreso in GT6 than it was in GT5.
 
The funny thing about this is, my real life car is a '96 Miata. And I'd be ok if the only NA's in the game were the '89 Eunos and any one of the 94-97 1.8's

I guess I just don't like the way the cars are listed in the dealership. Makes it hard to find the "significant" models among the sea of duplicates.

I really hope GT7 fixes the cluttered mess.
 
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SuzukaStar
Ok well it makes the screens look cluttered. I like Famine's idea, but scrolling screens have been around since the beginning, so I doubt they're going anywhere soon. I still say having both a RHD and LHD car is pointless.
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They could unclutter the screens by putting similar model cars under one graphic and then simply having options inside the menu. LH drive, RH drive, Type X, Type Y, whatever the distinction may be. I say could, because they won't. The car count is too important for marketing purposes to hide it inside of menus. Besides the menus are quick for experienced players who know where to look, gotta really suck for someone new to the series though.
 
SuzukaStar
Okay you know I really thought people hated duplicate cars, but I guess I was wrong.
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I'm also suprised how many people like having the duplicate cars, and like you, think that only the original models and significant upgraded/facelifted versions are necessary. I can't see a reason why you couldn't just have one model listed and have the name badge changeable just like the racing number on a base model race car or kart, and the option for LHD/RHD.

Pretty annoying when you're doing a car search around a certain PP or price, when of the 200 maximum amount viewable, a quarter of that search is occupied by 2 or 3 cars that are basically copy/pastes of each other. Say I wanted a search variance of 40pp, sometimes you can't because there are so many duplicates filling up the 200 car search limit, so you have to crunch the search down to a variance of 20pp. Flicking through 2 or 3 screens of the same car is not a lot of fun and a time waster too.
 
I think that duplicates should stay. Because I like the duplicates and I don't think that is necessary to remove the duplicates of MX-5.
 
SuzukaStar
The funny thing about this is, my real life car is a '96 Miata. And I'd be ok if the only NA's in the game were the '89 Eunos and any one of the 94-97 1.8's
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Mine's a '96 MX-5 and I'd quite like to have a go in your car in GT and in real life. More is better!
SuzukaStar
I guess I just don't like the way the cars are listed in the dealership. Makes it hard to find the "significant" models among the sea of duplicates.
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I entirely agree that how they are presented is the most major issue.

As far as I'm concerned, their presence is absolutely fine. It's the fact that they're presented as 35 different cars when most folk can't really see past the name and think it's only really 1, duplicated many times over. And then, following that, the fact that of the 35, there's only actually 13 different ones - the other 22 are different in name only - and really people can only see a clear difference between four of them (NA, NB, NC, touring car).

Present them as four - or eight to take account of engines and bodies as I listed above (or six - lump the NC Coupe in with the NC Roadster) - but give us thirteen and it's fine. Hell, even just rename the twenty-two to US and EU special edition trims (actually, leave the '89 as it is - that's no problem) with no other difference and give us all 35 presented as four and no-one would have a problem.
 
Who cares? Over 90% are ported from old GTs. Very little work gone into them. How does this upset you people? They're just extra cars as far as I am concerned. If hardly any work went into them (which is the case), I do not care.

Peop act as if this is their first GT. They compile the cars from one to the next and take very few out. Always been like that, doesn't take up much more space, just more cars, and so on. They're not out modelling 1200 cars between GT5 and GT6, whilst pissing the rest of their time away. It is a matter of porting old material.
 
332i
Who cares? Over 90% are ported from old GTs. Very little work gone into them. How does this upset you people? They're just extra cars as far as I am concerned. If hardly any work went into them (which is the case), I do not care.
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Do you know how annoying it is to browse the Mazda dealership and see 2-3 pages of the same car? And it's especially irritating when I'm looking for the premium Miatas, the only ones that I care about.
 
332i
Then click R1.
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There should be 3 main Miata "folders" representing the NA, NB, and NC generations. Don't people want a polished, professional-looking dealership menu?! It looks absolutely childish right now with all these duplicates I swear.

It would take maybe a day to clean up the dealership mess. That's not asking for much.
 
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