Live Stream: FIA Gran Turismo Championships Nürburgring World Tour (Manufacturer Series)

[BjoBosUndies]

If you’ve ever raced against Latkovski you’ll know that he takes no prisoners.

Ive seen him do terrible things to back markers just cos he wants the corner.

You can forgive him for the above because it’s just a game.

But not a fan of his unsportsmanlike flailing of the arms not once, but several times at the Kiwi kid.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Toyota didn't leave space for a car that was beside him in the final turn

The Merc was already headed off track when the Toyota got past the apex...

 

[kjeldsen]

*EDIT*

 

[Haitauer]

I think the call on the last corner incident was right. Toyota left enough space for the merc to survive the corner had the merc not gone too fast turning in the corner. Only way merc could have won was if he would have taken his nose to the other side of the toyota in the first place and that way end up inside the very turn that they now overshot. He had the momentum to make a left-right sway and pull out from the draft to the right side of toyota. If he would have had just a half car lenght by the side of toyota and kept a clean inside line he would have come out of the very last corner faster than toyota and the merc would have won by 2/3 of a car lenght.. just saying.💡

That said - there was too much bumbing through out the races for my liking. Seems the tight situations and pressure brings out the gamer in these racers and they start rubbing for track positions..

 

[Balwerk]

I dunno, I more kinda take that as racing incident that area not to pass anyway and Toyota to me was on racing lines plus got slammed bit after Bilstein banner. I more concern about Porsche move on Aston, it clearly black flag or 5 seconds penalty. Porsche can pass Aston clearly rather than pit him. Ford incident at Monza just stupid as hell too, never sure who need get blamed for that but getting 2 times hit like that was big no-no it can be solved by have ghost at race but I guess they not.

 

[MortosDer]

Not liking steward decisions is one thing. Stuff like "x looked unhappy, of better step up" is speculative bs I can't abide. Leave that stuff for soccer TV pundits

Crazy race. Enjoyable. Seems even the pros don't mind throwing some punches.
I think dailies will get dirtier this weekend lol.

 

[zzz_pt]

Stewarding was absolutely shocking tonight, most incidents were handled hilariously wrong. People just punted their way through the field in race 1 and none of it was even investigated. Then penalties lower than the advantage gained, and BMW penalized for absolutely nothing. And the last corner incident, even the Toyota driver said "I drove like he wasn't there". That's absolute madness to not have a move like that ending up in a penalty after giving 2 seconds to BMW.

Now how can you expect any manufacturers showing any interest of being involved in the manufacturers series when the overall win is decided by a single point after an incident like that, when the other races and online seasons show a clear bias towards Toyota and Lexus in the BoP ?

Stéphane Fillastre was looking quite unhappy when handing out the trophies. They really need to step up if they want a chance of renewing the FIA deal after 2020.

I agree 100%.

I think a big parte of the problem is the contact physics in the game. Any minor contact sents the person on the outside off track or needing to brake hard to avoid it. Real cars (and other, better sims) don't have this problem. If cars held grip slightly better in GT, a lot of these incidents would be just that, instead of accidents.

I think sometimes people do risk too much and even if they try a clean move, they have to rely most of the times on the other drive willingness to concede. If both flight for position at this level, one of them will end on the wall, which makes no sense.

PS: I'm somewhat glad Porsche didn't end up in the podium. Regardless of who drove for it, they didn't deserve it for the moves on Races 1 and 4 at least.

 

[gtpierre]

Which he has right to.

not when the nose is already at the level of the car. You can close the door before someone steps in the door frame. As soon as it's done, you have to leave room, which he did not do.

I think the call on the last corner incident was right...

I disagree. I think the Toyota deserved the win. BUT the stewards sent the wrong message : by giving no penalty, they say "racing like this is ok".

They should have given a penalty to both of them, just as a principle, even though it would not change the result, just to pass the message that contacts are not OK.

The penalties in the first race were terribly handled, and I'm surprised the race direction did not pass the message to the drivers that they have to calm down, give room, and respect each others. After the first race, it was obvious that aggressive driving was tolerated and that bumps were not always punished. So it was not a surprise it was a mess in all the other races.

Stewarding was absolutely shocking tonight, most incidents were handled hilariously wrong. People just punted their way through the field in race 1 and none of it was even investigated. Then penalties lower than the advantage gained, and BMW penalized for absolutely nothing. And the last corner incident, even the Toyota driver said "I drove like he wasn't there". That's absolute madness to not have a move like that ending up in a penalty after giving 2 seconds to BMW.

They really need to step up if they want a chance of renewing the FIA deal after 2020.

100% agree.

But it's not like FIA really cares about fair racing. They are the kind of organization that decide to change the BoP the night before the start of the 24h of le Mans based on quali lap time results which are known for bluff/sandbagging. Aston and BMW paid the price this year.

 

[Saur]

My first impression was that the Merc had been pushed off, but after watching it again it looked like he just carried too much speed into the corner, especially considering he wasn’t taking the racing line. I don’t think the Toyota was particularly kind with how much space it left on the outside mid-corner and on the exit, but I’m not convinced there was enough for a penalty- although I think a penalty should have been given if the stewards were going to be consistent with their decision on the BMW incident.

I understand these guys want to get the best result they can, and they are some of the best in the world, but there’s been some very questionable driving going on (although the stewards aren’t really helping). There’s something to be said for putting a priority on being a good sport, especially with all the publicity at these live events.

 

[Krypton78]

I think from what was shown that the last incident was very questionable, but not enough to take the win from Toyota away.

That being said, the overall performance of the stewarts was very under every level. 2 sek penaltys (if even given in the first place) when destroying other players dreams, incredible. For example the Porsche against Aston Martin in the final or Aston Martin against Audi in the second race. The incident Porsche pushing Mercedes into the bridge in the first race was not even investigated. Maybe I saw it wrong, but thats how it looked like.

The races had so many incidents that it looked partly like a joke, so far away from the top FIA- Lobby racing levels:
I understand that because of being the stream short that than the races have to be short (costs money without any real income, no ticket selling, no tv no comercials and so on) and so the players fall easy into desperation during the racing. But then the stewarts has to be there to avoid the races becoming a farce. There is only a tiny gap between hard races becoming Forza7-races if you don't watch over it.

 

[Haitauer]

I disagree. I think the Toyota deserved the win. BUT the stewards sent the wrong message : by giving no penalty, they say "racing like this is ok".

There really was no reason for penalty. Only very light if any touch before corner and through the corner toyota kept it nice and tight even though merc was already at the grass. That rubbin that happened before by merc was closer to punishment.

Where merc propably really lost the race was the corner coming to the straight as he was already .5 sec behind before and lost a tenth or more not being able to put the pedal down there and thus lost what was a lot better distance for draft. (.6+ vs .5 or under)

 

[GTPNewsWire]

This is the discussion thread for a recent post on GTPlanet:

Toyota Wins GT Sport World Tour Nurburgring 2019 Manufacturer Series

This article was published by Andrew Evans (@Famine) on June 21st, 2019 in the Gran Turismo Sport category.

 

[dimassa19]

I liked the event, and I thought the decision was fair. I even thought Latkovsky deserved a penalty for putting two wheels on the grass on Bilstein Bridge.

And PD, forget about Monza...

 

[kjeldsen]

*EDIT*

 

[PaMu1337]

Do they really only get one trophy for the three of them? That seems a bit cheap (and highly impractical to the winners, who takes it home?)

 

[Sander 001]

Do they really only get one trophy for the three of them? That seems a bit cheap (and highly impractical to the winners, who takes it home?)

One lap around Fisherman Ranch Gr.B with full contact and the best free stewarding money can’t buy

 

[Lee x sensai]

People expect the FIA call fair racing. You guy must have short term memory about them. FIA alway tend do stupid stuff and question able rule in real life race.

 

[dimassa19]

Could anyone tell me what happened to the Nissan team?

 

[Famine]

Could anyone tell me what happened to the Nissan team?

Didn't qualify.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Didn't qualify.

Ouch.

 

[silverman_GT]

One lap around Fisherman Ranch Gr.B with full contact and the best free stewarding money can’t buy

Post-Championship Repechage Race

 

[Quakebass]

Arrrrrggg I wish the results weren’t spoiled in the article headline, I was hoping to watch the full stream with virgin eyes when I got back from work...

 

[dimassa19]

Arrrrrggg I wish the results weren’t spoiled in the article headline, I was hoping to watch the full stream with virgin eyes when I got back from work...

But this has a positive side: your eye will stay focused on Toyota, accompanying each movement that lead them to victory.

 

[HellzFire]

Overall, I'm pleased with Jags result. Starting on 9th for the first race, we knew we would be strong here, so recovery was available. Great job from Stinkybug to finish in 3rd, doing some good overtakings and capitalizing on others people mistakes.

2nd race it was my time. I started 3rd, jumped the Cayman on the start and kept second for some laps. I opened an 1s gap in the first laps but the game's slipstream range is higher now. It starts affecting the car behind at 1.3s and it gets stronger at the moment the cars get closer, so couldn't really get away. My tyre wear started to kick in in the last laps, I got overtook by merc and Porsche and was holding a comfortable 4th on last lap. Tgen the Merc dives on the Porsche, contact was made, I close in and try to overtake the Cayman, then the BMW comes out of nowhere diving on my inside going 3 wide on turn 5. He spins out (karma) and almost takes me with him. All this chaos makes Toyota and Ford to close in and they take advantage of my issues and overtake me. I finish in 8th.

For Monza, Kenomos gets pushed off on turn 1, falls back to 11th miles behind the pack. At variante ascari in the same lap there's chaos and the ford gt attempts the worst rejoin of human kind. Beettle hits him, then the Jag has nowhere to go and hit the Ford that was standing still on the track. I really don't know why there isn't ghosting here. After those issues Kenny still finishes 8th.

For the final race, we predicted that we would be in mid pack, and that's where we were, so we picked the hard-medium-softs strat (we have to say the driver order for final race before race 1 starts) . It worked well. Stinky did a good first stint on hards, stopped on lap 1 in 11th. I then went to the wheel on mediums, passed 2 cars and pitted on lap 3 on 9th. Then Kenny on softs passed some cars that made mistakes and overtook tge Porsche in second to last turn to finish in 5th.

With this result, we ended 6th overall, which was pretty good for Jaguar. We basically kept out of trouble all races, I believe the only time we got a pen was because Kenny cut the chicane in Monza too much once.

Agressive driving from the opposition cost me a lot of positions on Sardegna as well as it did help us in Nurb with all the chaos. After all, I believe we finished on where we should have had.

 

[bduddy]

I'm sorry, have any of you guys ever watched actual racing? Not every little bump and mistake gets a penalty. Nor do they deserve one. The event was tons of fun, if you weren't focused on watching every single tiny incident and expecting a 10s penalty. Apparently most of you were... I was rooting for Mercedes but the deserving team won. There's no way any real series would ever award a penalty for the last corner incident.

 

[GT_Alex74]

I opened an 1s gap in the first laps but the game's slipstream range is higher now. It starts affecting the car behind at 1.3s and it gets stronger at the moment the cars get closer, so couldn't really get away.

Are you serious ? I hope we don't get this in the next update, otherwise this game is doomed. I have to say though I wondered if that wasn't weak slipstream at some point, gaps looked unnatural at some point.

 

[dimassa19]

I hope we don't get this in the next update, otherwise this game is doomed.

 

[AlanH49]

I'm sorry, have any of you guys ever watched actual racing? Not every little bump and mistake gets a penalty. Nor do they deserve one. The event was tons of fun, if you weren't focused on watching every single tiny incident and expecting a 10s penalty. Apparently most of you were... I was rooting for Mercedes but the deserving team won. There's no way any real series would ever award a penalty for the last corner incident.

The Merc was on the outside. The Toyota had every right to keep his foot in and use every inch of the track. Overall it was a remarkably clean race. In fact I wouldn’t mind them doubling the length of the final race as the multi-driver/tyre options makes for great racing.

Didn't qualify.

I wonder if next-gen, with likely 30+ car fields, all manufacturers will qualify. Including (potentially) new teams to the game like Bentley and Glickenhaus.

 

[GTAndy36]

I'm sorry, have any of you guys ever watched actual racing? Not every little bump and mistake gets a penalty. Nor do they deserve one. The event was tons of fun, if you weren't focused on watching every single tiny incident and expecting a 10s penalty. Apparently most of you were... I was rooting for Mercedes but the deserving team won. There's no way any real series would ever award a penalty for the last corner incident.

The first bit of sense I've read in this thread. Thankyou.

If you guys had any idea what goes on behind the scenes whilst these races are going on you'd have far more respect for the event as a whole, let alone the stewarding.

 

[bduddy]

Are you serious ? I hope we don't get this in the next update, otherwise this game is doomed. I have to say though I wondered if that wasn't weak slipstream at some point, gaps looked unnatural at some point.

So you'd rather have the current totally unrealistic slipstream where you're either in range and get the complete benefit or not? What Hellzfire said sounds much better to me...