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[ShiftingGears]

Really sets the standard for sport mode where you can run a contender for the tour final win off the road and not get disqualified (despite having form at previous events), and where the only PD sponsored driver engages in dirty driving to ensure victory.

PD need to reconsider what they want the FIA races to be.

 

[Sander 001]

Lifting at Eau Rouge in a GT3 car is drastically different than lifting in a Red Bull.

 

[instinct808]

there is one truth
all finalist are dirty
because to qualify you need to exploit track limits in internet quals

 

[250Cal]

there is one truth
all finalist are dirty
because to qualify you need to exploit track limits in internet quals

Erm, the truth is that track limits are the same for everyone.

 

[GTPNewsWire]

This is the discussion thread for a recent post on GTPlanet:

Fraga, Hizal Talk About Controversial FIA GTC Nations Cup Finish

This article was published by Jordan Greer (@Jordan) on August 30th, 2019 in the Gran Turismo Sport category.

 

[retrostate]

This is the discussion thread for a recent post on GTPlanet:

Fraga, Hizal Talk About Controversial FIA GTC Nations Cup Finish

This article was published by Jordan Greer (@Jordan) on August 30th, 2019 in the Gran Turismo Sport category.

Just my take on this, if Hizal was really saving fuel and dropped off 5+ seconds, then surely, even if he had made the overtake (regardless of whatever happened up ahead) Fraga would have had had a good chance to overtake again anyway as he did not seem to be so marginal on fuel.

That's if the fuel story is really true...

 

[evldave333]

Racing etiquette doesn't apply in a game, you game to the maximum you can get away with... occasionally creatively making new exploits... In real world racing etiquette exists purely because your actions can have life ending consequences. There is no controversy in a game situation, you game to what you can get away with... Judging gaming by real world standards is currently pointless with the penalty systems and stewarding as it is, but be careful what you wish for though... gaming is more fun when you can express yourself in ways you cant in the real world... ironically its also why I dont play online... go figure! I love driving recklessly solo...

 

[praiano63]

In my opinion Igor's trick lap 16 when he simulate a bad traction to let Hizal pass and take the stream to overtake end of straight was a genious move.
Driving at this level , thinking about strategy is the proof of incredible skills that both have for sure.
Lap 17 Igor's defensive attitude up eau rouge was very at the limit and in my opinion not to be done in GTS. I don't know if there was a contact , if yes , i'm ok with a heavy penalty. If they don't make contact , this is something that a lot of racers says they do in real life without taking penalty . After so much races and wins , he never play dirty , use his skills to sow us incredible racing moments and still show a high numbers of situations where he proves he's a fair driver.

After checking the replay i've found that Igor waste 173 liters of gas and Mikail 151. For sure he was comfortable on gas and Hizal would never keep the lead for long .
This would have been the ideal final race for everybody see.
Can't wait for the next final.

 

[WiseGuyTM]

This whole Fraga and Hizal controversy makes me wonder what the stewards actually have

Just my take on this, if Hizal was really saving fuel and dropped off 5+ seconds, then surely, even if he had made the overtake (regardless of whatever happened up ahead) Fraga would have had had a good chance to overtake again anyway as he did not seem to be so marginal on fuel.

That's if the fuel story is really true...

I think if Hizal had gotten past he could’ve held it. When he was pushing he was barely able to stay within slipstream for a majority of the lap, with better tires. If had gotten past, he could’ve probably gotten out of slipstream range by the end of the lap, and be able to manage the gap for the rest of the race. Honestly it’s all just speculation, but it’s a shame that it all had to end in controversy like that.

 

[perrolocomcquee]

This whole Fraga and Hizal controversy makes me wonder what the stewards actually have

I think if Hizal had gotten past he could’ve held it. When he was pushing he was barely able to stay within slipstream for a majority of the lap, with better tires. If had gotten past, he could’ve probably gotten out of slipstream range by the end of the lap, and be able to manage the gap for the rest of the race. Honestly it’s all just speculation, but it’s a shame that it all had to end in controversy like that.

With fuel map in 3 for nearly 3 laps would have been absolutely impossible IMO. Even on dirty air

 

[doblocruiser]

Doesn't matter who was on low fuel. Point is that Fraga lifted off in a very dirty and unsportsman's like way at a corner which goes almost blind over the top. I am clearly in the Hizal-camp here.

Fraga should be left a chance to redeem himself and show he can drive intelligent without being dirty. However he should have walked up to Hizal and apologize in the first place.

Still for the final the organisation should be very clear about the rules and penalties before the races start.

 

[George Jakob]

Racing etiquette doesn't apply in a game,

And thats were you are wrong sadly most people share your opinion and thats why sport mode is a 🤬 show .

 

[evldave333]

And thats were you are wrong sadly most people share your opinion and thats why sport mode is a 🤬 show .

Id play online if there was damage like in dirt 2... wonky wheel geometry after a crash would soon sharpen up driving for heavy contact, but you need light contact for good wheel to wheel without penalties... No one wants to drive around without being able to really go for it... Real world driving etiquette is born out of necessity... I think the ethos of copying real world rules is flawed there should be a distinct rule set for gaming that rewards dynamic gaming techniques not punishing them... Fraga should be applauded for his cunning, if a driver does something everyone agrees is out of order this should then become a rule, but the rules should evolve naturally not be taken from real world racing as this is fundamentally different.

 

[EnglishFood]

Not sure if it’s already been mentioned, but the 5 second penalty Fraga got after the race would’ve been more like 6-7 seconds if he had to serve it in the race. Anyone know how much time Cody lost serving his 10 second penalty?

 

[George Jakob]

Id play online if there was damage like in dirt 2... wonky wheel geometry after a crash would soon sharpen up driving for heavy contact, but you need light contact for good wheel to wheel without penalties... No one wants to drive around without being able to really go for it... Real world driving etiquette is born out of necessity... I think the ethos of copying real world rules is flawed there should be a distinct rule set for gaming that rewards dynamic gaming techniques not punishing them... Fraga should be applauded for his cunning, if a driver does something everyone agrees is out of order this should then become a rule, but the rules should evolve naturally not be taken from real world racing as this is fundamentally different.

Lets agree to disagree.

 

[Racer93]

Not sure if it’s already been mentioned, but the 5 second penalty Fraga got after the race would’ve been more like 6-7 seconds if he had to serve it in the race. Anyone know how much time Cody lost serving his 10 second penalty?

Yeah, some people already mentioned it, but we don't know for sure if the stewards would give the same 5 sec penalty in race.

 

[JCH8r]

I think SNAIL would be a great place to start. Those guys have rules and post-race human video stewards. I've been in those series and they are usually clean fun racing. I think they deserve some coverage as an exemplary model of what the community has done on its own. Maybe others know of other user run series that are exceptional. I mean, when I've raced with organized groups it's always better. I still want the best to race, but I don't only watch F1 on TV.

The way these Championships are, it's as if it's real racing contracts. Like the same people each time. Why can't the field be new people each event?

I'm sure out of the thousands that participate and take time to do qualifying, there are thousands of stories to tell from the each participant. Wipe the field clean with fresh drivers.

I think Kaz says GT is a family. Well, let some new players have a seat at the big table. What if the next completely new field of drivers offer up clean racing? What if there are some players that have certain impairments, but are exceptional behind the wheel?

These events shouldn't be like Motorsport series where we see the same drivers each weekend. Invite the players that JUST missed out. Maybe those in the next queue. Not just Fraga all the time or Simmons or Mikal.

Not stealing current Championship player's thunder, but kind of making such players, as let's say, heroes of GT, make it so others can shine too.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Surprised it took this long to mention SNAIL.

 

[davidt33]

Igor deserved to win IMO. If my memory serves me right he was ahead at least 99% of the race and was driving with incredible skill.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Regardless of who would've won what, I think that as the best GT driver in the world and a reigning world champion, Igor should set an example of how you should race. He has already won the previous world tour, so it's not like this is a life and death situation that he needs to win. The lift at lap 16 is a legit strategy, but the lift at lap 17 is dirt cheap in my view. I've always rated him highly before as despite his successes he always appeared quite humble, but this win at all costs mentality is quite undignified. Be more like Juan Manual Fangio, not Senna.

@TRL LIGHTNING Keep pushing mate. We all know you have the speed to win. You might have lost this one but you have earned the respect of clean drivers everywhere 👍 Best of luck in Austria

 

[BjoBosUndies]

In my opinion Igor's trick lap 16 when he simulate a bad traction to let Hizal pass and take the stream to overtake end of straight was a genious move.
Driving at this level , thinking about strategy is the proof of incredible skills that both have for sure.
Lap 17 Igor's defensive attitude up eau rouge was very at the limit and in my opinion not to be done in GTS. I don't know if there was a contact , if yes , i'm ok with a heavy penalty. If they don't make contact , this is something that a lot of racers says they do in real life without taking penalty . After so much races and wins , he never play dirty , use his skills to sow us incredible racing moments and still show a high numbers of situations where he proves he's a fair driver.

After checking the replay i've found that Igor waste 173 liters of gas and Mikail 151. For sure he was comfortable on gas and Hizal would never keep the lead for long .
This would have been the ideal final race for everybody see.
Can't wait for the next final.

100% agree with you on the “genius move”, it’s shows a higher functioning racer at his best.

But Eau Rouge lift was unsportsmanlike. Sports don’t exist separately from sportsmanship.

Without sportsmanship it just becomes a brawl and we’ve all seen that before in game and in real life instances.

 

[MIE1992]

IMO all Sport Mode races should have damage set to light, at the minimum.

Also, will there be any new interviews with PD/Kaz like prior World Tour events? Or is the Big Apple gonna be a bit hollow this time around?

 

[oneloops]

In my opinion Igor's trick lap 16 when he simulate a bad traction to let Hizal pass and take the stream to overtake end of straight was a genious move.
Driving at this level , thinking about strategy is the proof of incredible skills that both have for sure.
Lap 17 Igor's defensive attitude up eau rouge was very at the limit and in my opinion not to be done in GTS. I don't know if there was a contact , if yes , i'm ok with a heavy penalty. If they don't make contact , this is something that a lot of racers says they do in real life without taking penalty . After so much races and wins , he never play dirty , use his skills to sow us incredible racing moments and still show a high numbers of situations where he proves he's a fair driver.

After checking the replay i've found that Igor waste 173 liters of gas and Mikail 151. For sure he was comfortable on gas and Hizal would never keep the lead for long .
This would have been the ideal final race for everybody see.
Can't wait for the next final.

You can't judge an action by only if there was a contact or not. Obiously Hizal and everyone tries to avoid contact and not to ruin his race... Forcing others to brake in a full throttle section or to go out of the track avoiding crashing him is dirty racing.

If my opponent don't want to crash with me I can make dirty moves all the time and he will never pass me... That's not sportmanship racing.

Clever racing is using a better strategy than rivals or change it correctly when the race has unexpected changes, clever is taking profit of rivals mistakes, clever is pushing when you must do it for racing circunstances, take the maximum potential of every car and every stituation, etc ...

Dirty racing is never CLEVER nor skills.

 

[kjeldsen]

Interesting video, how many thought that Igor made a fair move? yeah no one....

When someone does a dirty trick/mode/cheat then the rest of the story is speculation, not only did Igor destroy his own good name and the race, he also destroyed the real story from the race. Any speculation on Hizal and fuel is worthless, Igor made sure we would never know.

 

[monkeywall]

The move by igor at the top of eu rouge was definitely 'bang out of order' and completely unsporting. Lifting there is in real life could have caused a serious incident. PD need to figure out is gtsport a real driving sim that emulates real life or just some arcade game.

Admin how about a pole? To see what the community thinks.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

Igor deserved to win IMO. If my memory serves me right he was ahead at least 99% of the race and was driving with incredible skill.

He started on the soft tyres and then was on slower tyres at the end of the race. Meanwhile others used Mediums or even Hards at the start, so obviously he was leading at the start.

Anyway, Miyazono was leading for ages too.

It's an incredibly poor argument to say 'reee he was leading at the start so deserved to win' when the race included a lot of strategy and others were choosing strategies that benefitted them more towards the end of the race, as well as trying to defend quick drivers unsportsmanlike behaviour because 'he was ahead'.

 

[praiano63]

You can't judge an action by only if there was a contact or not. Obiously Hizal and everyone tries to avoid contact and not to ruin his race... Forcing others to brake in a full throttle section or to go out of the track avoiding crashing him is dirty racing.

If my opponent don't want to crash with me I can make dirty moves all the time and he will never pass me... That's not sportmanship racing.

Clever racing is using a better strategy than rivals or change it correctly when the race has unexpected changes, clever is taking profit of rivals mistakes, clever is pushing when you must do it for racing circunstances, take the maximum potential of every car and every stituation, etc ...

Dirty racing is never CLEVER nor skills.

It's your opinion , myself i don't have any. If you read what i wrote you will see that i'm not defending this move even if they didn't make contact . I'm just saying that some real racers can consider this a valid move and there is a very fine line between both judgment that i will not step over. I'm just a pizzaiolo.

 

[oneloops]

It's your opinion , myself i don't have any. If you read what i wrote you will see that i'm not defending this move even if they didn't make contact . I'm just saying that some real racers can consider this a valid move and there is a very fine line between both judgment that i will not step over. I'm just a pizzaiolo.

Real racers can consider whatever they want... more even if that "some" are the dirty part of racers.

Rules are the important thing, not some real racers considerations.

This discussion is an example for the GTS Community. If we think Fraga wasn't wrong we can all begin to do the same thing, forcing others to brake in flat out sections for avoiding crashes and get benefit of it... and continue calling it the "clever driving"...

 

[praiano63]

Real racers can consider whatever they want... more even if that "some" are the dirty part of racers.

Rules are the important thing, not some real racers considerations.

This discussion is an example for the GTS Community. If we think Fraga wasn't wrong we can all begin to do the same thing, forcing others to brake in flat out sections for avoiding crashes and get benefit of it... and continue calling it the "clever driving"...

Again.. i'm not defending anybody specially. Average GTplayer can't even think in a move like this of course . We are talking about the top of the top. Not even all the top 10 drivers are able to make such a thing with such a precision. Remember this is a world very high level competition not an weekly FIA event we all race and a fight between the 2 most brilliant GT drivers.
No contact and not a crucial part to decide the race.This is a fact. Dirty , fair or not , anybody can have his own opinion if they want to. I repeat , i don't have any.

EDIT: What is the rule you're talking about ?

 

[davidt33]

People talking about Igor's releasing of the throttle there nearing the end for whatever reason but has anybody thought it was it was a chancy move on his part too as he risked being bumped off the track and possibly not even placing?