LOGITECH EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!!!! The Real Deal Holyfied is Here!!!!!

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FREX makes really nice stuff - solid and well built. But expect that wheel to cost several hundred dollars (at least) more than the new Logitech wheel.
 
is it ffb or just self centering? is it more or less than the price of a kidney in moderate condition?
 
Not bad at all but what is the diameter of this frex wheel? And what about the shifter and the pedals??
 
OK guys let me break it down for you:

1)There will be force feedback

2)It will turn at 900 degrees

3)It will use a timing belt mechanism, like what is found in Happ Control's Active FF wheel, but the belt will be more thicker and more durable. What this means is that there will not be that annoying "zip-zip" noise found on Logitech's Drving Force wheels.

4)The motor is a high torque Japanese motor designed for heavy industrial use. Shige has mentioned that it'll be very very strong!

5)Will likely use the PCB from the DFP wheel as it's "brain", similar to how the current frex wheel adaptors are designed.

6)Will connect to his own H-shifter/sequential shifter. It's a shifter made of high quality aluminum parts, unlike that POS found on the new G25.

7)Foot pedals will probably be the same high quality pedals he already sells, which is fine by me. Either way they're much better than the ones Logi offers


8)Price....I can't tell you how much as Shige has not mentioned pricing yet, but I had to speculate, I'd say between $700-$1000. I *personally* would pay up to $2500 for this new Frex wheel(no joke).

9)ShigeT had this to say in the *first thread* :

Shige T
I just started thinking about this for a while since G25 was unveiled.
What is our customers desired or let me satisfied.

We have already realized metal construction 8 speed H shifter, Racing car simulated sequential shifter, Clutch, SimClutch simulate clutch feel perfectly, Pressure sensitive mechanism brake pedal makes easy to drive Heel and Toe, Motion, Meter and already a lot of buttons on real racing car steering wheel from MOMO or Sparco.

Pure race sim enthusiast like our customer and race sim fans like visit RSC forum desired more solid feel steering column, smooth feel with silence steering like a real car, this is still remaining right?

I just started design Timing Belt driven hi-powered motor metal construction steering mechanism as a DFP mod.
I hope that is what you want guys.

We think our customers are not want simulate street car on game because they drive street car in real life daily not want drive a street car in game too, I bet you want drive 500 hp in game and I need to prevent let you spend another 299 bucks or so to buy street car again.
That is my good faith of thanks to all our customers.

Just started, I do not know when we can release it.

Or am I thinking wrong way?
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Shige T
May be it will be similar but adjustable lock to lock heavy duty mechanism for multi turn wheel will be added. Optical sensor and Hi-grade Japanese motor with it.
Sounds good!?
Just started pickup parts so can not tell you the details yet.
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Shige T
We do not know the timing yet.
I have tested the feels of the main mechanical design with prototype.
I confirmed nothing better than this design except using whole real steering unit and put tires on fast rolling roller.
Some people tried to turn the wheel, smile on face and said "this is it".
I confirmed the reason why it is hard to drive with multi turn wheel setup with DFP.
This incoming FREX wheel unit will makes drive easy especially for Rally and Drift with multi turn set up.
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Shige T
Yes, the wheel unit will be attached our Wheel adapter or Quick release adapter that we are selling now means you can select wheel from several kinds like round, F1 style and etc which you can see on our website now.
Additionally, much larger diameter wheel can be attached because hold thick metal shaft by 2 bearings like a real car.
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yeah it depends on just how much better it is than the g25. the g25's supposed to be considerably smoother, quieter and faster than the dfp. if its alot better i might get this instead. especially if it somehow supports gt5.
 
selfcentering isn't that logical. When a real car is standing still, the wheel of your car doesn't selfcenter. It seems that in a game (race sim) the wheels of the car will straighten out due to the selfcentering stuff of the frex wheel. :confused:
 
kikie
selfcentering isn't that logical. When a real car is standing still, the wheel of your car doesn't selfcenter. It seems that in a game (race sim) the wheels of the car will straighten out due to the selfcentering stuff of the frex wheel. :confused:
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Very true :rolleyes:
 
well alot of the hardcore sim players and vendors will be more than willing to shell out that kind of money for that steering wheel.
 
* wats so good bout that?? cause i dunt really see anything amazing bout that!
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Do you own a DFP? If not, then you'll not know what the difference is. If you do own a DFP, then watch the video again and turn the sound on..
Then LISTEN to how much noise there ISN'T being made when the wheel is being turned slowly from side to side and then see if your DFP is that quiet!
(There's been more then a few comments from other GTP members who can't stand the noise the current DFP makes and how loud it is..and we're not sure just how much more quiter, if any, the G25 wheel will be. With this Frex wheel, we know already!)

* FREX makes really nice stuff - solid and well built. But expect that wheel to cost several hundred dollars (at least) more than the new Logitech wheel!
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That is true! But think of it this way..what's going to last longer...a pair of sneakers bought from "Payless Shoe Source", or ones you buy from say "Footlocker?"... You pay for what you get!

* I'm sorry, but I fail too see why this wheel is "the best". Could someone clue me in?
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Ok...watch the video again and you should notice the following:

A. That BIG A$$ FF motor behind the wheel! (Now open up your DFP and compare the two! You should see a BIG difference! - The motor(s) which will be used in the new G25 wouldn't even be that big when situated side/by/side!
B. Larger Aluminum paddle shifters behind the wheel.
C. 6 buttons all logically placed within the drivers reach.
(Where are they going to be located at on the G25?...Oh! Yeah...down on the shifter!)
D. Larger wheel! Not that the current DFP wheel is not bad, but it could be bigger. True, the G25 wheel is going to be about the same size of that found in our current RL cars, but does it realy look like a wheel you'd put in a real car? This one is!

Bottom line, there's been more then just a few posts on this board about how shady or imperfect the current DFP is, especially the gas and brake pedals...so now ask yourself how much more reliable is the new setup going to be based on Logitech's past history? Then ask yourself, what's more important...looks or functionality?

Yeah, I'l admit, the G25 LOOKS nice and LOOKS like it'll be an improvemet over the current DFP but even then, we're still talking about plastic housings, low-grade parts, etc. etc., Not sure about you other 'racing enthusists', but I'll take reliability/functionality over 'looks' anyday and that's what I see when I first saw the video above!

NOTE: I may be impartial because I already have a Frex modded DFP, but when I first viewed the PICS of the G25 and then watching that video above for the 1st time, I instantly knew the G25 would be a lower grade wheel, but hell, that's just me I guess! :-)
 
SimRaceDriver
Do you own a DFP? If not, then you'll not know what the difference is. If you do own a DFP, then watch the video again and turn the sound on..
Then LISTEN to how much noise there ISN'T being made when the wheel is being turned slowly from side to side and then see if your DFP is that quiet!
(There's been more then a few comments from other GTP members who can't stand the noise the current DFP makes and how loud it is..and we're not sure just how much more quiter, if any, the G25 wheel will be. With this Frex wheel, we know already!)


That is true! But think of it this way..what's going to last longer...a pair of sneakers bought from "Payless Shoe Source", or ones you buy from say "Footlocker?"... You pay for what you get!


Ok...watch the video again and you should notice the following:

A. That BIG A$$ FF motor behind the wheel! (Now open up your DFP and compare the two! You should see a BIG difference! - The motor(s) which will be used in the new G25 wouldn't even be that big when situated side/by/side!
B. Larger Aluminum paddle shifters behind the wheel.
C. 6 buttons all logically placed within the drivers reach.
(Where are they going to be located at on the G25?...Oh! Yeah...down on the shifter!)
D. Larger wheel! Not that the current DFP wheel is not bad, but it could be bigger. True, the G25 wheel is going to be about the same size of that found in our current RL cars, but does it realy look like a wheel you'd put in a real car? This one is!

Bottom line, there's been more then just a few posts on this board about how shady or imperfect the current DFP is, especially the gas and brake pedals...so now ask yourself how much more reliable is the new setup going to be based on Logitech's past history? Then ask yourself, what's more important...looks or functionality?

Yeah, I'l admit, the G25 LOOKS nice and LOOKS like it'll be an improvemet over the current DFP but even then, we're still talking about plastic housings, low-grade parts, etc. etc., Not sure about you other 'racing enthusists', but I'll take reliability/functionality over 'looks' anyday and that's what I see when I first saw the video above!

NOTE: I may be impartial because I already have a Frex modded DFP, but when I first viewed the PICS of the G25 and then watching that video above for the 1st time, I instantly knew the G25 would be a lower grade wheel, but hell, that's just me I guess! :-)
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*hands SimRaceDriver a cuban cigar then gives him a high five*

Beautifully written man. Couldn't have summed it up better đź‘Ť
 
wow that does look good...i dont have a DFP but ive hard them and they sound like a car reving :crazy: ...it does get annoying.... tis way better then the MC2 i have lmfao
 
$1000+ for just a wheel, then you gotta buy pedals, an H-gate, and if you are gonna spend all of that you gotta throw in the handbrake too. I think I'll stick to the G25 like many others are. I'd rather put $2000 into my car than into a gaming wheel.

Edit: SimRaceDriver, you are comparing a video of somebody turning a wheel (Frex) to seeing pictures of the G25? Reviews have said that the G25 is a huge improvement over the DFP in quality and smoothness. Sound is probably gone too but I don't remember if they said it or not.
 
I'm sorry guys, but I think you're a bit over the top. It's nice to see a better wheel than the DFP, and even if it is much much better, it costs much much more. To me, it looks like here's some anti-Logitech fanboyism going on, cause I don't have other explanations for the content of the first post.
I mean here you have an MX5 (cheap and good), and there a Lambo Murcielago (expensive, but much better). But is the MX5 crap, just because there is a Murcielago? The DFP is still a good wheel, and I don't see a reason why it needs to be bashed.

Regards
the Interceptor
 
Not bashing the DFP, as I do love mine! :D
I'm just saying that the current DFP is noisy and most folks don't like that and that with the Frex wheel in the video above, the sound the wheel makes is drastically reduced, regardless of the quality of the video!

@Ebiggs: A one or two 'gear driven' motor is still going to be loud no matter what! However, the video in Post 1 is that of a Proto-type Frex is currently doing that uses belt driven motors, which is why the wheel will not be as loud as the G25!

As for price, I know not everyone is going to want one or even be able to afford it, as all companies such as Frex, BRD, ECCI and VPP really only cater to the PC sim community/racers, however for those of us who get as much enjoyment racing on the PS2 (and the upcoming soon to be released PS3) as we do on the PC and would consider ourselves more 'auto enthusiasts' then the rest of the gamers out there, it's nice to know that we can enjoy using the same aftermarket products on our consoles as well as the PC...because instead of just the fun of racing, we want to emerse ourselves as much as possible in the overall realism of car racing.
 

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