LOGITECH EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!!!! The Real Deal Holyfied is Here!!!!!

[the Interceptor]

Okay, but is getting rid of that sound and some other advantages really worth paying 10 or 15 times as much? I just saw that moving chair on the frex website, and that's much more what we're talking about. If I could get a good wheel and a moving chair, I would pay a lot. But just for a better wheel? I don't know...

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Colinod]

ROFL, A $1000? I can go buy a junker Honda (a real car) for the price of that wheel.

Hmmmm 700+ cars for 1000 or one?

 

[fideles1986]

Hmmmm 700+ cars for 1000 or one?

to bad that out of those 700+ cars they will never leave your living room

 

[huntervf]

$2000? Why not but a real car?

My thoughts exactly!

I certainly applaud the R & D going into such realism, but let's exercise some common sense here. For $2000 one can buy any number of small, real cars, gut it, equip it with a set of race rubber and get the most realistic simulation of all... the REAL THING.

I consider myself a pretty hardcore simmer. I've got my own cockpit for GT4, DFP, big screen tv, surround, etc. For the PC I have my "other" cockpit setup with a Saitek X45 for flight simming. But let's be realistic here... for a couple hundred bucks a nice sim setup is worth the cost. Race anytime, any weather, no worries of piling up the car or breaking parts, and it's satisfying enough give the racer a good sense of accomplishment when a good lap is turned. But it will never compare to the real thing, and when you start talking about $1000 or more it makes no sense to invest that money in a simulation of the real thing when in fact you could be DOING the real thing. It'd be like plunking down $500 to see a Pink Floyd tribute band. Sure, they may be good, but for a LOT less you could experience the real deal.

If there's a market for this expensive of a setup I'll be REALLY surprised.

 

[Colinod]

C. 6 buttons all logically placed within the drivers reach.
(Where are they going to be located at on the G25?...Oh! Yeah...down on the shifter!)

It will simulate (sort of) radio buttons?

 

[SimRaceDriver]

If there's a market for this expensive of a setup I'll be REALLY surprised.

If there wasn't already a market, then companies like ECCI, Thomas Enterprises and BRD wouldn't still be in existence today!

And all three make wheel/pedal combos that are quite expensive!

 

[nismo4life]

1.) Too expensive.
2.) Wheel turns back WAY too fast.
3.) Logi's has a nicer finish .

 

[isamu]

My thoughts exactly!

I certainly applaud the R & D going into such realism, but let's exercise some common sense here. For $2000 one can buy any number of small, real cars, gut it, equip it with a set of race rubber and get the most realistic simulation of all... the REAL THING.

I consider myself a pretty hardcore simmer. I've got my own cockpit for GT4, DFP, big screen tv, surround, etc. For the PC I have my "other" cockpit setup with a Saitek X45 for flight simming. But let's be realistic here... for a couple hundred bucks a nice sim setup is worth the cost. Race anytime, any weather, no worries of piling up the car or breaking parts, and it's satisfying enough give the racer a good sense of accomplishment when a good lap is turned. But it will never compare to the real thing, and when you start talking about $1000 or more it makes no sense to invest that money in a simulation of the real thing when in fact you could be DOING the real thing. It'd be like plunking down $500 to see a Pink Floyd tribute band. Sure, they may be good, but for a LOT less you could experience the real deal.

If there's a market for this expensive of a setup I'll be REALLY surprised.

I know this may sound crazy, but some of us like to do our driving in a virtual reality type of environment. Getting in a real car driving fast down a real road certainly has its thrills, but it's something you have to be severely dedicated to doing as a hobby/career to get the full enjoyment out of it.

To me, it's easier to just get out of bed and walk a few steps over to my cockpit, turn on my front projector and race other human beings who are thausands of miles away on a virtual track. How simple would that be for real race car driving? I mean for crying out loud, I would need to actually take race car training for God knows how many months before I could take real racing seriously.

Not to mention...and this is the most important thing of all....the risk of injury when racing a real car vs a virtual sim. It's a lot more comforting knowing I'll still come away from it in one piece, where as in a real race I don't know what kind accident may lie ahead.

I don't knock real race car drivers. I'm sure most of them get a blast out of what they do. But I'm not ready to take it to the real roads just yet. Gimmie my virtual setup and I'm good to go 👍

 

[djblackmon]

I ask you, are the driving gloves really necessary?

lol hes wearing racing gloves haha

I would wear racing gloves! Especially cause the grip and it turning back so fast that would be A LOT of friction burn!!

I too will wait for the G25, because thousands of dollars... I think 300 is good enough. Also the G25 has a 6-speed shifter and clutch. That wheel may not have it.

 

[Kay-tek]

1.) Too expensive.
2.) Wheel turns back WAY too fast.
3.) Logi's has a nicer finish .

1) Price hasn't been mentioned yet by Shige
( although it won't be cheap, that's for sure)

2) If you look at some drift videos, you'll notice
that the wheel does not turn back WAY too fast.

3) You mean with all that nice black plastic
Logitech uses? Frex doesn't use plastic.

Sorry for my Frex fanboy-ism

 

[nismo4life]

3) You mean with all that nice black plastic
Logitech uses? Frex doesn't use plastic.

Sorry for my Frex fanboy-ism

Last I checked, the new G25 has an Aluminum/leather with a clutch pedal, 6spd+R h gated shifter, blah blah blah. And its only 300 bucks

 

[Fizio]

I think it'll be pretty good ratio of what you get for that money...
300 $ is not much for all those specs considering the price of DFP when it came out...

 

[Kay-tek]

Last I checked, the new G25 has an Aluminum/leather with a clutch pedal, 6spd+R h gated shifter, blah blah blah. And its only 300 bucks

Well yeah, but the gearing and the bearings on the inside of the (black plastic) wheelbox are still plastic parts.

But I have to agree with you: Considering the 300 dollar price tag of the
G25, that seems to be the sensible choice. You get a very good setup
for that price.

Me however, I'm not a sensible guy ( I already have a 3-pedal setup and an H-gate shifter from Frex), so it will be hard to keep myself
from spending a lot of cash on the new Frex wheel.

Anyway, They're both awesome set-ups.
Frex gives you unbeatable quality but it's very expensive.
The G25 is still good stuff but it will only set you back 300 dollars.

Both set-ups are winners, if you ask me 👍

 

[GTfreak666]

hmmmm i think the dfp is much better price wize for what you get but that sparco whell is probably atleast $100 by itself probably more than $300 for the whole setup and DFP is awesome

 

[mouser]

Yes, it's a beautiful wheel, but I'm sorry, I'll never pay that much for a toy.

 

[Gabkicks]

do you smoke? do you drink? or anything else like that? i can have 300 bucks by october for that wheel. especially with gas prices the way they are... i wont be spending so much time out on the road

 

[Sideways_Skinny]

smoke or drink?? what does that have to do with anything?

as far as the frex...way too much money. even if you are too nervous about getting a real car and blah blah blah...try it. if you have any common sense, you will not drive over your head. and no matter what anyone says, the real thing is 1000 times better than any simulation, period! even in a ford fiesta, there is nothing like ripping through the gears, even if it takes 45 seconds...

 

[Gabkicks]

yes incase you couldnt figure it out from that post... i am not in the best mental state. anyways yeah... I mean that people spend money on alcahol and cigarettes or cookies or juice if your underage. or fancy clothes. Well i'm buying a g25

300 bucks is nothing relativly speaking.


screw it why am i defending the price... 300 bucks is way too much!!! it should only be 20
relativly speaking speaking its very expensive.

 

[gt4nerd]

do you wanna know my opinion?

basically i dont own a wheel but my friend does, why do you need to go all out like the FREX does and put a huge @$$ motor on a gaming wheel that is only going to be used for a sim.

fair enuogh it will be one mean wheel and will probably smash anything else out but if your not a rich boy/girl then you can only dream about having something so good.

but even still why put such a huge motor on something when all your doing really is turning left and right, and even if the DFP does make noise after a while like all annoying things,you learn to phase it out and get used to it

personally i think this wheel has been priced stupidly and should only be used by super GT nerds if they are willing to spend more on a wheel then they could spend on a decent 2nd hand car. or the PS2 the game and even a bigish tv

happy gaming

 

[Gen.]

Frex is nice and all but damn.

Money doesn't fly out of the normal person's ass.

 

[gt4nerd]

*claps* well done that man

 

[Gil Abobeleira]

I understand that getting a frex wheel just to play a game like GT4 seems rather strange....

(....now if you ask me, it's a rather interesting hardware piece if you are into simulators, that is )

 

[Gabkicks]

http://forum.rscnet.org/showpost.php?p=3164328&postcount=594

 

[neurokinetik]

My thoughts exactly!

I certainly applaud the R & D going into such realism, but let's exercise some common sense here. For $2000 one can buy any number of small, real cars, gut it, equip it with a set of race rubber and get the most realistic simulation of all... the REAL THING.

That's fine, if you only plan on making one or two events and finishing in last place. As somebody who has been competing in auto-x for 4 years (18 events this year including Divisionals and a National Tour. Not enough in the budget for Nationals in Topeka.) and has been looking into inexpensive ways to get into real wheel-to-wheel racing (I'm not counting lapping days as real racing, and even with those you are talking about $100+ entry fee, and alot of the same costs as a race but without the competitive element and at a slightly lower risk level), your estimate is way low and does not take into account that the car itself is only a very small part of what it costs to race. The entry fees and travel expenses alone add up very quickly, not to mention tires at $600 a set. After all that, you've gotten two weekends of racing out of your budget. Now what do you do with the other 50 weekends (also assuming that you live in an area where you can race year-round, which many do not?)

I use simulations to kill the time and have fun with friends during the off-season (which started for us on October 1). We get together and race on the LAN. The closer I can make the experience to driving my real car, the happier I am, and it is worth the money to me.

I am glad Frex is working on this wheel design, it looks to eliminate what in my opinion are some of the biggest drawbacks to the DFP: slow to return to center, weak feedback, and noisy. For reference, my car does not have power steering, and has alot of caster dialled in which makes the wheel feel heavy on-center, and also makes it snap back to center on its own in situations where you need to make a large correction to catch a slide.

but even still why put such a huge motor on something when all your doing really is turning left and right, and even if the DFP does make noise after a while like all annoying things,you learn to phase it out and get used to it

See above why the big motor is necessary. Also note that the Frex setup is very similar in design to the Race Drivin' arcade setup that I own. It is also belt drive, and actually has an even bigger motor than what Frex is using. If I hadn't seen this thread, I was seriously contemplating how I could adapt over that setup to work with the DFP.

 

[the Interceptor]

You're kind of missing the point. Huntervf didn't mean that you actually take your 2.000$ to buy a car and enter an amateur race series instead of buying a Frex wheel. He just wanted to show how much off the scale it would be to buy a 2.000$ item for a game, to make it a bit more realistic than with a 100$ item.

I'm happy that others like Frex develop a wheel as well, and I like to see that they know the DFPs problems and solve them. However, how many of those that bought a DFP would buy the Frex with that enourmous price tag?

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[FMW]

The Frex stuff is probably really really nice, but I agree only the super hard core sim racer with tons of disposable cash will spend the dough. The G25 is the nicest and best working mass market production wheel out there. The pedals and wheel fit nicely on my BRD rig.
I'm glad companies like Frex our out htere though in case I win the Lotto

 

[huntervf]

Racing can be as expensive or inexpensive as you want it to be.

My point was that, for the cost of this wheel to create a more realistic simulation, one can go out and taste the real thing. There's a 1.8 mile road course about 2 hours away from me that charges $60 USD per session for unlimited open track time. I can simply take my current daily driver- a 1991 Taurus SHO /w a manual trans and 220 horsepower - and turn many, many MANY laps before I get to the cost of this wheel. For me, real time on a real track, even if it's not in a full-blown race car, is still better than sim racing in exotics and LeMans supercars.

The wheel looks great, and I'm sure it would make an excellent sim racer. Personally, I believe it's way too much money to make it practical for most of the people on the board, especially when the G25 can be had for much less.

 

[Gabkicks]

factor in gas, tires, and car maintanence over a year. its all about what you value. spending a few hundred on a violin may sound rediculous to someone that doesnt care about violins .

 

[Leonidae]

I'll take G25.

1. reasonably priced

2. I trust on Logitech products because they have excellen quality for the price.

3. how many of you has actually seen a racecar wheel with more than 2 buttons on wheel? ( excluding F1 cars with their fancy systems) I've seen Super2000 class racecar, and it doesn't have buttons on the wheel at all. they're on the dash or centre column.

4. silly fanboy, bigger engine isn't better. if you pay your own electricity, you DON'T want that monster guzzling it up like 500ci+ big block dragster engine. I'll rather have my tiny twinturbo wankel.

5. how much does that thing weight? and how much your table can carry? unless you have racing cockpit out of steel etc, you'll have trouble.

6. 6-speed shifter wit reverse is enough for me. and if you're not satisfied, you can make your own from metal and it won't force you to eat rice for the rest of the month.

 

[chrisbjr]

the g25 can return to center that quickly too.

its the best wheel you can buy. frex products are just too expensive and the reason for this might be coz they're not mass producing their items. if they were as big a company company as logitech, then maybe they would be able to pull out a cheaper price tag.

correct me if im wrong.