Mad FinnTuners Co. - Finished 081213 - The Final Countdown, 4, 3, 2, 1, OUT!

[Leonidae@MFT]

Nah, just post straight ahead, shock awakens me faster

 

[kingmoshoeshoe2]

I think you are safe for a while - I am too afraid of the BTR and I think I may have reviewed all the other ones you made so far. I could still plague Greycap, though

 

[Greycap]

Ford RS200 Cosworth '84

422 bhp, 430 Nm, 1180 kg, PP 507
Painted in the unnamed white colour it came in


Clickable for full size​

Parts to fit:
Oil Change
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Intake Manifold
Titanium Racing Exhaust
Sports Exhaust Manifold
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Fully Customizable Transmission
Torque Distributing Centre Differential
Fully Customizable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension Kit
Sports Soft Tyres

Overall cost: ~150.000Cr plus the actual car and its overhauling

Transmission

Note: First, reset the gearbox to the default settings, then set the Max speed, and only then set the gear ratios.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.812
2nd: 2.000
3rd: 1.550
4th: 1.250
5th: 1.000
Final Gear: 4.100

Top speed: 270 km/h

Fully Customizable LSD
Initial Torque: 5 / 10
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20 / 40
Braking Sensitivity: 10 / 20

Torque Distributing Centre Differential
Front / Rear Torque Distribution: 30 / 70

Suspension
Ride Height Adjustment (mm): 0 / 0
Spring Rate (kgf/mm): 6.0 / 7.5
Dampers (Extension): 9 / 8
Dampers (Compression): 5 / 7
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 / 3
Camber Angle (-): 1.5 / 1.0
Toe Angle: -0.10 / 0.10

Brake Balance Controller
Brake Balance: 6 / 4

Driving Options
ASM: Off
TCS: 0
ABS: 1

Ford's fine plans to enter the Escort RS 1700T fell through quite spectacularly when Audi fielded the now legendary Quattro and rendered RWD obsolete in one night. So they needed something entirely different.

That's how the RS200 was born. Designed by F1 engineers to be the most advanced rally car of its day it incorporated strange ideas such as the gearbox mounted in the front (in a mid engined 4WD car, yes) and twin dampers in all four corners. The result was an extremely well balanced car that in theory was the ultimate rally car but practice would disagree and its career would be cut very short.

However, the project car this time wasn't a racer but one of the road going models. Boasting a relatively modest power figure of around 250 bhp and having safe - read: understeery - handling at the limits it didn't quite live up to the expectations one might set for a Group B model. Fortunately that's nothing that can't be changed though. The engine was worked up to the specs of the first rally versions, suspension was adjusted for more manoeuvrability and the entire drivetrain was swapped for a racing version. Acceleration was significantly improved as might be expected and gone is the understeer, replaced by easily initiable oversteer that allows you to set the direction with the centre pedal, the angle with the steering wheel and the amount of smoke with the rightmost pedal. Having said that its true capabilities are in grip driving but it's comforting to know that there's always a safety net in place in case you slightly overdo it into a tight corner.

Is this the pinnacle of RS200s as far as they go? Certainly not, but more about that another day.

 

[Hemily]

just wanna stuff a little thank you here, just got back the car they tuned for me as a prize for a review...

The thing is a beast! i never knew a big Jaaaaag could move like that, i knew it had some potential deep down, but it's a completely different car now, thanks guys!
I'm surprised there's not more people using that car.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Peugeot 205 T16 Rallye

395 bhp, 390 Nm, 1066 kg, PP 505
Painted in Bleu Récife from Peugeot


Clickable for full size​

Parts to fit:
Oil Change
Chassis Weight Reduction Stage 3
Rigidity Improvement
Window Weight Reduction
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports ECU
Sports Intake Manifold
Titanium Racing Exhaust
Sports Exhaust Manifold
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Torque Distributing Centre Differential
Fully Customizable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension Kit
Sports Soft Tyres

Overall cost:Not too bad.


Fully Customizable LSD
Initial Torque: 5 / 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 10 / 20
Braking Sensitivity: 20 / 40

Torque Distributing Centre Differential
Front / Rear Torque Distribution: 40 / 60

Suspension
Ride Height Adjustment (mm): -20 / -20
Spring Rate (kgf/mm): 8.5 / 6.0
Dampers (Extension): 10 / 10
Dampers (Compression): 4 / 6
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 / 5
Camber Angle (-): 2.3 / 2.3
Toe Angle: -0.15 / -0.30

Brake Balance Controller
Brake Balance: 0 / 2

Driving Options
ASM: Off
TCS: 0
ABS: 1

205 T16 was one of the famous roadgoing rally monsters of the mid 80's. While the original road version was merely heavily restricted Evolution 1 with some upholstery, there was another one in the drawing boards for the '86.. But destiny stepped in, and Group B was banned, making the further development useless. However, one model was finished, and it's here today. Meet 205 T16 Rallye, a non-restricted monster that was designed as the answer to the RS200 road model. It produces almost 400bhp in that tiny 205 chassis, delivering it to the road through regular gearbox and AWD. And while it's no slouch acceleration or handling-wise, it's not lacking in the top speed department either, achieving top speed of 280KM/H. So, this little lion would had trounced the Ford yet again.. If the history hadn't unfolded as it did.

 

[Mr. S]

Ford Focus STR '06

350+ bhp, 444+ Nm, 1186 kg

Codename: Panther

Setup: Racing softs, TCS 1, Mid-range Turbo , ABS 1, SRF, ASM ON.
Test track: Autumn Ring
Best lap: 1:16'993

Controls: Logitech Driving Force GT, Playseat Alcantara
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I've driven this car in real-life, yet it wasn't tuned that much. Talking about Gran Turismo 5, it is very easy to control and still get good lap times. It never feels like you don't know what's coming and what will happen in the very next corner.

The car handles much like an Impreza or Lancer on the Nordschleife, it's hard to describe but you can literally throw it into corners and just see what happens - you won't be disappointed by the result, the car will just stay on your racing line (if you don't overdo it) and race towards the finish line.

I've tried making it break out but it never got out of control, not even when I threw it into one corner and immediately turned the wheel for the next one. The car was literally trigger happy at that moment and just rocketed into the very next corner, improving this lap by 0.5 seconds. Stunning performance and a car that I'll definitely use in races capped around it's PP.

It didn't jump around and was under full control, even when I fully hit the kerbs intentionally. I tried but couldn't find a flaw in the handling of this little Ford, no matter how hard I was trying. Definitely awesome and worth a try for everyone who'd like to try out a non-rally that's still eating corners.

A tad short, I agree - but it's hard to write much about it if you agree with everything about it.

Setup: Sport softs, TCS 0, ABS 1, ASM ON.
Test track: Autumn Ring
Best lap: 1:17'088
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This car felt, much to my surprise, almost exactly as before. I have to admit that I racked up quite some kilometers on a Ford Focus in real-life, so I might be a bit biased and kind of knew how the car would react. This one was of course way more powerful but yet handled very well and not too far away from the mildly tuned version that I knew.

It's direct steering and good feedback was giving me the feeling that I was actually riding on a cannon ball instead of some car that might give me trouble due to it's sheer power. This ride is, despite it not being a really fast car, one my favourite cars in GT5 as of now and I'm looking forward to having great fun with it in the future - no matter if it's with or without TCS, it's a fun car and driving it will always make me smile in corners.

 

[Mr. S]

Attila of the Huns

838 bhp, 932 Nm, 1313 kg

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Codename: Goldmember

Setup: Racing softs, TCS 1, ABS 1, SRF, ASM OFF.
Test track: Autumn Ring
Best lap: 1:12'866

Controls: Logitech Driving Force GT, Playseat Alcantara
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So, I'm not a big fan of the SLS AMG at all. Yet, I wanted to try it out since I wanted to see if a tune could cause me to like the car a bit more. I think it worked even if I'm completely happy with how the car is moving - it's an immense improvement nonetheless. It's a bit too cumbersome for my driving style, the steering and movement just isn't responsive enough for me. Then again, it's still quite heavy and that's probably meant to be.

I've first tried to drive it with TCS 5 and ABS 5, just because I was too afraid of not being able to control the car but I was surprised how easy it actually was. Setting both TCS and ABS to 1 increased the fun and my lap times, grip was never a problem, thanks to my racing soft tyres. I've also tried to set the brakes to 3/7 and that worked quite well, maybe even a bit better for my style.

The acceleration never went out of control and the breaking seemed to be really sensitive, even when I stepped on the pedals and tried to make it break out. Although I still don't like the handling too much I'll definitely use the car online. The breaking and the acceleration are, as I've said, really smooth and I've never had the feeling that the car might do something I don't want. I had to brake quite early on the other side, which isn't really my style since I usually want to throw cars into corners, much like the Impreza or Lancer.

Much like the other supercars I'd advise experienced people to give it a try since someone who didn't drive something alike will end up on the grass, no doubt. I've had the feeling that it is quite "jumpy", taking this into account is crucial - it sent me off into the wall quite a few times during my first 2 laps, so be aware.

Setup: Sport softs, TCS 0, ABS 1, ASM OFF.
Test track: Autumn Ring
Best lap: 1:13'187
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All of the things said above still apply and I "felt" the car. Yet, it's extremely brutal and hard to control. I personally wouldn't drive the car with said settings, simply since I don't want to battle the wheel and I'm lazy, but then again, it's a lot of fun for enthusiasts and really skilled people who'd like to fight a car and get their reward for doing so.

I see this car, right now, as one of the cars that I can use to scare people of Gran Turismo. It's looking extremely smooth if you're just watching (the replay, even) but it's a battle to make it look smooth - exactly how this car should be, in my opinion.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

just wanna stuff a little thank you here, just got back the car they tuned for me as a prize for a review...

The thing is a beast! i never knew a big Jaaaaag could move like that, i knew it had some potential deep down, but it's a completely different car now, thanks guys!
I'm surprised there's not more people using that car.

Hehe, I'm glad that you like the result of some hooning around track and tweaking this and that. I had to buy few parts for it to make it work properly, after that it was a piece of cake. It actually outran my 600bhp SpecV that was on sports tires.. it's a customer car, though, the actual beast I'll release will unveil a whole new world of hurt for the real supercars.

Codename: Goldmember

Setup: Racing softs, TCS 1, ABS 1, SRF, ASM OFF.
Test track: Autumn Ring
Best lap: 1:12'866

Controls: Logitech Driving Force GT, Playseat Alcantara
​

So, I'm not a big fan of the SLS AMG at all. Yet, I wanted to try it out since I wanted to see if a tune could cause me to like the car a bit more. I think it worked even if I'm completely happy with how the car is moving - it's an immense improvement nonetheless. It's a bit too cumbersome for my driving style, the steering and movement just isn't responsive enough for me. Then again, it's still quite heavy and that's probably meant to be.

I've first tried to drive it with TCS 5 and ABS 5, just because I was too afraid of not being able to control the car but I was surprised how easy it actually was. Setting both TCS and ABS to 1 increased the fun and my lap times, grip was never a problem, thanks to my racing soft tyres. I've also tried to set the brakes to 3/7 and that worked quite well, maybe even a bit better for my style.

The acceleration never went out of control and the breaking seemed to be really sensitive, even when I stepped on the pedals and tried to make it break out. Although I still don't like the handling too much I'll definitely use the car online. The breaking and the acceleration are, as I've said, really smooth and I've never had the feeling that the car might do something I don't want. I had to brake quite early on the other side, which isn't really my style since I usually want to throw cars into corners, much like the Impreza or Lancer.

Much like the other supercars I'd advise experienced people to give it a try since someone who didn't drive something alike will end up on the grass, no doubt. I've had the feeling that it is quite "jumpy", taking this into account is crucial - it sent me off into the wall quite a few times during my first 2 laps, so be aware.

Thanks for the review! I'm glad to see that it has improved your opinion of the car. It indeed is a heavy Grand Touring Bruiser, which can actually be driven despite of all the power I've chucked at it. I might try and improve the setup once I have enough time to do so, based on the feedback. However.. You should try and learn to drive these cars without TCS if possible if it's not mentioned in the setup sheet. That way you can tell for sure if it's going to kill you or not. Also, could you please use the specified tyres..? That way you will not experience issues that follow from using tyres that offer more traction than the specified ones, such as snappish handling that you seemed to have experienced.

 

[Mr. S]

Thanks for the review! I'm glad to see that it has improved your opinion of the car. It indeed is a heavy Grand Touring Bruiser, which can actually be driven despite of all the power I've chucked at it. I might try and improve the setup once I have enough time to do so, based on the feedback. However.. You should try and learn to drive these cars without TCS if possible if it's not mentioned in the setup sheet. That way you can tell for sure if it's going to kill you or not. Also, could you please use the specified tyres..? That way you will not experience issues that follow from using tyres that offer more traction than the specified ones, such as snappish handling that you seemed to have experienced.

I'll give it a try tonight - I actually thought the RS tyres would improve the handling even more.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

There indeed are cases where RS tyres can mask a poorly tuned suspension under phenomenal grip, as well as cases where even the RS tires are fighting a hopeless battle.

 

[Mustanaamio]

This tuning shop could be good as I know all Finnish people are nuts (in a good way!) behind the wheel.

👍

 

[Mr. S]

There indeed are cases where RS tyres can mask a poorly tuned suspension under phenomenal grip, as well as cases where even the RS tires are fighting a hopeless battle.

I see. I'll try it with the other tyres and update the review after I've done so.

 

[Paulie]

So your RS200 is almost 1.5sec faster at GVS than the Peugeot yet only has 2 PP more? Don't even get me started on my Brera, the PP system is as screwed as ever if you ask me, but anyways, looks like a fun car or 2.👍

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

👍

Welcome to GTP! Tervetuloa!

I see. I'll try it with the other tyres and update the review after I've done so.

Please do, and give Greycap's Focus same treatment.

So your RS200 is almost 1.5sec faster at GVS than the Peugeot yet only has 2 PP more? Don't even get me started on my Brera, the PP system is as screwed as ever if you ask me, but anyways, looks like a fun car or 2.👍

Difference would probably be smaller if I would had bothered to buy a FC tranny.. but the whine annoys me even more now than back in GT4.

 

[Greycap]

Scuzzilla - About the CoT, I believe that's the first time anyone has properly conducted a B-Spec test and now it seems to be confirmed that it works that way too. Great to hear! 👍 About the Focus, I can't say much until you indeed follow Leonidae's advice and test it on the SS tyres specified. Now there's far too much grip to see the true handling. RS tyres admittedly increase grip but what they do to the handling is always dependant on the case at hand - they can make a car but they can equally well break it. Not to mention that always AIDS OFF, with the exception of what's instructed on the setup which usually means ABS being set to 1. It's supposed to be you in control instead of some electronical thing that doesn't know a thing about driving fast.

Paulie - The main difference comes from the handling style, the Peugeot needs much more thinking when setting it up for the corner to avoid either going off in a swiftly moving cloud of smoke or understeering into the outside wall mid corner while the Ford is highly tolerant of fooling around, letting the driver concentrate more on the actual driving. Or pulling around every other corner in a glorious four wheel drift without fear of spinning out.

 

[Mr. S]

Scuzzilla - About the CoT, I believe that's the first time anyone has properly conducted a B-Spec test and now it seems to be confirmed that it works that way too. Great to hear! 👍 About the Focus, I can't say much until you indeed follow Leonidae's advice and test it on the SS tyres specified. Now there's far too much grip to see the true handling. RS tyres admittedly increase grip but what they do to the handling is always dependant on the case at hand - they can make a car but they can equally well break it. Not to mention that always AIDS OFF, with the exception of what's instructed on the setup which usually means ABS being set to 1. It's supposed to be you in control instead of some electronical thing that doesn't know a thing about driving fast.

Updated, thanks for the heads-up - it was worth the second look, great tunes.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

And as you might've noticed, it's barely slower with aids off and on correct tyres.

 

[Paulie]

Paulie - The main difference comes from the handling style, the Peugeot needs much more thinking when setting it up for the corner to avoid either going off in a swiftly moving cloud of smoke or understeering into the outside wall mid corner while the Ford is highly tolerant of fooling around, letting the driver concentrate more on the actual driving. Or pulling around every other corner in a glorious four wheel drift without fear of spinning out.

Well I know I'm an alright driver (division 1 silver ), and my 576 PP Chevelle can't break 2'00 on Sports Softs, so the PP system still sucks.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

It's a Chevelle, an ancient yank tank.. It doesn't have snowballs chances in hell to do well against two homologation specials..

 

[Paulie]

It's a Chevelle, an ancient yank tank.. It doesn't have snowballs chances in hell to do well against two homologation specials..

That's not the point, the point is it should be a 500 PP car like those 2, not 576 PP.

 

[Mr. S]

And as you might've noticed, it's barely slower with aids off and on correct tyres.

I guess it could be faster if I'd practice more - or if I'd be a better driver at all.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

practice makes perfect. I'm sure that you can match or even surpass those AIDS-times with some grinding and patience.

and yes, I still refer to the TCS and such as AIDS.. that's how much I dislike them

 

[littlesthobo]

Nissan Skyline GT-R V-SpecII Nür '94
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one word " wow" Simply stunning tune 👍 I don't know how you do it....but keep up the good work. After driving this tune I'm desperate to try out all your others.​

 

[ironmanthing]

I know you take requests for personal tunes but I didn't know if you took requests for the two car showdown tunes...thought I'd throw a suggestion your way and see if you two wanted to run with it at all...Hybrid/Electric Vehicles...there are lots of cool hybrid/EV's in this game and not many people drive them because of the reputation of the Prius being a girly low horsepower teacup. But with cars like the Tesla Roadster, the Citroen GT Concept, and the Honda's I think there is some real possibilities for some neat electric hybrid race machines...

the only hybrid/electric vehicles I could think of off hand...couldn't find list...
Tesla
GT by Citroen Concept
Prius
CRZ Honda / Spoon
Insight
am I forgetting any...I want to collect them all

also I am collecting the Arta/Superautobachs cars am I missing any I have
Arta Garaiya '02 Standard
Arta Garaiya (JGTC) '03 Standard
Arta Garaiya (Super GT) '08 Premium
Arta NSX (JGTC) '00 Standard
Arta NSX (Super GT) '06 Premium
Superautobachs Apex MR-S (JGTC) '00 Standard

anyway my topics have gone adrift (again) sorry...I haven't been able to review the road rally cars yet as they haven't appeared in my dealerships...oh well

 

[Greycap]

littlesthobo - Thanks! How it's done? By knowing how the car is supposed to react to changing part X in way Y and then a lot of trial and error. What makes it interesting is that more often than not it doesn't go quite like expected.

ironmanthing - Officially we don't take requests for public tunes as we're going by our own road map (which is drawn as we go ) but unofficially I can as well tell you that we had planned a hybrid pair already in GT4 - at least twice at that actually. Perhaps we'll actually get it done this time. Time will show.

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

Hello fellas and welcome back, I too, will be returning. I found out today that I will be receiving over 130 cars and over three million in cash from a buddy so I shall set on a voyage to make a great garage. This time it will be more intellegent than last time, Any how welcome back.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

And next, there will be some M4d V33T4k y0.

 

[Supermelon]

And next, there will be some M4d V33T4k y0.

I hope it's a FF

 

[BLITZ_69]

And next, there will be some M4d V33T4k y0.

C4n'+ wayt fo dat 🤬 2 k!{lc /n

 

[ironmanthing]

And next, there will be some M4d V33T4k y0.

sounds like you're going to tune a car close to what i have in real life...i have a '05 Honda Civic DX Value Package...the value package it the addition of a single CD player and Air conditioning..the DX has neither...im looking to buy a SI though...