Mad FinnTuners Co. - Finished 081213 - The Final Countdown, 4, 3, 2, 1, OUT!

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Well done review deserves a request. ;)

ironmanthing, I really can't fathom why your car seems to have these issues with the transmission.. It could be because the car isn't broken in either..?
 
Reminds me to write a review of the Corvette ZR1 - I've applied the settings but never used it so far. :(

Something to do for tonight. \o/
 
after trying several setups of the camaro z28 rm, i finally found urs and it just clicked. all i did was lower the trans a little since i was mainly concerned about deep forest and cote d azur (historic racing cup). im a ds3 user who usually uses abs 1 and tcs 1-3, but the setup felt so good i decided to practice with no aids except abs, and my laptimes in deep forest improved alot. There was little to no understeer like i felt with a lot of other camaro setups, and the car just gripped through the corners like i had skid on. It was a joy to drive. The breaking felt great, not sure if it was me practicing or that 0/0 break balance, (which ive never seen), but it was the perfect amount to zoom through every corner. The best part was that i was able to keep consistent in deep forest raceway, where the slight change in driving line changes ur lap time by quite a bit. I went on to try and beat the historic racing car cup, beat each race on the 2nd try by 1-2 seconds, and pulled away from that chaparal 2J on every corner. nuff said. Im gonna try out ur other setups, seem like u know what ur doing, great work!
 
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Good to hear that yet another user has found my Camaro RM suitable for their needs. 👍 Feel free to request a setup for a car of your choosing, as long as it's within reasonable limits.
 
Wat about an mr2 g limited supercharged? Been wanting to use if for the japanese championship, or an all around dry road tune for the stratos rally
 
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Dear experts

I am humbly requesting an all-out Nordschleife tune for the NSX-R on Sport Hard tires. Am working on it myself, but I can see I lack knowledge. I would love to extract the maximum from this fantastic car.



Edit: Whoops, just read the smallprint. Sorry for not having done that before – and never mind.
 
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Absolutely love what you're doing here! Had a quick question though, regarding much of your old tunings for GT4, would you recommend them for the same vehicle in GT5?
 
Once we make a tune for it, yes. The physics are different, thus, adjustments are needed.
 
this is going to be off topic but i'll make up for it in a minute...i know everyone that will read this likes cars i've been going to this website for quite some time now... this site posts lots of pictures of new cars to hit the market and pics from the car shows that are profound...anyway check it out it's netcarshow.com look at the new Ferrari it's very...different...anyway

back to tuning finally got the ford RS200 rally thing will be tuning and posting a review soon...finally it shows up...

edit....still on cars this has been bothering me for quite some time now...does anyone know what the decal means/is on race cars it looks like this (E) but with a circle it is usually white and red and usually on drivers side of the hood nearest to the windshield base?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Reiter_Lambo.jpg

see it there? what is that
 
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It points out the location of external fire extinguisher trigger.

lif_decal_pack.jpg


And as the Lambo picture shows, it's usually near external main power switch.
 
You need to set the top speed first, then the final ratio, only then the individual gears.

ahh the magic of doing things backwards of how i used to do them...did this for the ford cogsworth and it worked the kph to mph was only 1 different from selectable choice but i could set to every gear ratio perfectly THANKS

also thanks for setting me straight on the (e) logo...i would have never figured that out...i thought it stood for E-Gear since lambo's have that...oh well still tuning ford rs200...i read online that it used to be as powerful as the 959 and f40!
 
ahh the magic of doing things backwards of how i used to do them...did this for the ford cogsworth and it worked the kph to mph was only 1 different from selectable choice but i could set to every gear ratio perfectly THANKS
In all seriousness, it says in every setup with adjustable ratios:
Note: First, reset the gearbox to the default settings, then set the Max speed, and only then set the gear ratios.
It's there for a reason. Everything on the setup sheet is there for a reason. People, read what it says there and double check what you're doing if there's a problem.
 
well i finally tuned my Ford RS200...i kept all the settings the exact same as the tune called for...yes the tune did drastically improve the car but for some reason i just can't get as excited about this car as the other tune's that have been posted...maybe it's just me...i was running minute fifteen laps at high speed ring...I felt the car was a little too slow off the line even with turbo, if felt as if it was having to dig really deep to find the next gear...turning was good but it wanted to maintain a straighter line than becoming agile when taking sharp turns at high speeds...i'm sure i'll tinker around with my driving style more on this car and see if i can't redeem it as a fun to drive rally car...haven't yet tried it on snow or dirt so track racing may not be the intended choice of terrain...nevertheless i like this car and don't plan on abandoning it on the side of the road or on watching it fall prey to faster counterparts...that said i hope you guys don't get bummed with my semi-negative review but i just thought that any feedback was good feedback...i've enjoyed all of the other tunes i've used from here, this one just wasn't for me...

anyway. as always keep up the good work glad to see such unique cars gracing these pages...

response to greycap: i was going, top mph, 1st, 2nd, 3rd,...then final gear...i got it to work correctly with top mph, final gear, 5th, 4th, 3rd,...to 1st...i was always starting with mph *after i did a default reset... ;)
 
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...that said i hope you guys don't get bummed with my semi-negative review but i just thought that any feedback was good feedback...i've enjoyed all of the other tunes i've used from here, this one just wasn't for me...

Not bummed but very surprised. The RS200 is by far the tail happiest normal (the Spirra is abnormal) car I've made this far, oversteering willingly on both corner entry and exit, on both throttle and brakes. It was actually harder for me to keep it in check when trying to get a proper lap time for it than just drifting it around every other corner. I have no idea why the handling would be so drastically different unless you went for Racing Softs again... did you?
 
Ford GT LM Spec II tune is great in B-Spec. The car doesnt slow down a bit either. Well, in the interest of fairness, this tune works great in b-spec. Im still adjusting my driving style to do it in A-Spec. This car can get you a lot of credit just by grinding the Indy American Championship Course. Remember to change the oil and do an engine overhaul, show your appreciation to the Ford GT LM Specc II.
 
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I tried Greycap's revised gear ratios for the Car of Tomorrow. Yet to leave Botcher to it but a short stint on GVS showed improved stability as a result of the gearing. Not sure that someone with a finer throttle control would not want it a tad shorter for the circuit but it worked as a nice substitute to traction control for me ;)

It is one of the few cars where first will regularly be used at the track and the only time where I really felt it being way too long was accelerating into the first tunnel. But then again it also allowed me to apply throttle earlier, without fear of losing the back end.

So all in all a nice improvement 👍
 
After a couple of weeks of waiting for it, a red RS200 finally showed up in my UCD yesterday. I even had enough money (in GT5 terms) to both buy, repair and upgrade it. As usually I started with the car in the lvl15 Tuner Challenge at GVS, using a DS3 and all your settings, apart from the automatic gearbox.

The car feels deceptively slow but manages some decent times nevertheless (although this one has me furthest away from your posted time of all your cars). I got it down to a low 2.04 and while more is certainly in it, there wasn't more in me today ;) (EDIT: after being shopwn how it is done, I got the time down to a low 2.02 within the course of 6 laps - if you use it, ignore the driving line for the second turn and unbalance the car before entering the final corner, it allows you to get through full throttle).

As for behaviour it is basically still a safe and easy to control car. Acceleration feels slower than the power to weight ratio would have you expect and it tends to lose time on the longer straights. Grip is good, especially accelerating out of corners, and the occassional oversteery moment can be controlled with ease - no matter how insane the angle, one can hold almost anything (if I can, I am sure pretty much everyone will be able to). Sometimes one gets the impression that you will save it even if you are looking at the road through the C pillar, and most of the time the impression would be correct ;) Not braking hard or early enough will have you enter corners understeering - if they are slow enough full throttle application suffices for the back to come around and power you out. If it is a higher speed application, you are basically stuck between a rock and a hard place - further braking will have the car plow on, no throttle will have it continue understeering and giving it the welly will have the front wash out first, before being pulled back in line (OK if you have tons of space, otherwise less than ideal).

High speed stability is good, too - and surprisingly, you will easily be able to hold a drift here, too. Not that you generally want to, although I found that getting into one in the middle of the second corner helped with time.

The third section was the one where I seemed to be losing most time - getting it to grip properly and to a decent speed in the last tunnel was more miss than hit in my hands and the two corners that follow I also need to learn a better way through with this car. The last one is also problematic. If you do not lift before entry, the drums on the left becon - lifting in the corner only makes it worse, even brakes do not seem to help all that much. (EDIT: again, the trick is either learning how to cope with it or being shown the way - more power in the case of the S combination after the third tunnel, and unsettling the car a bit before the last turn, getting it into a light drift will remove the problems I described before).

I have to rush off, but will return with a description of the RS200 at Suzuka, too :)

In the meantime, a job well done, even if I cannot really get most out of it yet, it is at least good fun 👍
 
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in response to greycap... i have started using the recommended tires for all of your tunes which is what i used for the car in the review...i think the problem i was having was one of two things...trying to play the game on hardly any sleep late at night or improper turning techniques...i enjoy the high speed ring to test my cars so i can get a feel for top speed, speed through a medium and large turn and handling through an s curve. the way i was driving was keeping the accelerator to the floor up until the turn tapping the brake, turning then flooring it i have yet to master this drifting technique and was trying to keep the car from sliding any way at all...if it is supposed to slip some in the corners then the car is perfectly fine...i just thought that losing control was a bad thing. i guess i'll have to learn how to use the slide of a car with the momentum of the car to take turns at higher speed and not necessarily take a car-is-pointed-in-the-direction-im-wanting-to-go way.


i'll keep at it... :) i'll try the rx-7 tune and see if i can't get that car to teach me to drift then i'll take the ford back out...

LEO- thanks for racing my b-spec guys...every little bit helps...
 
Here's the second part of the RS200 review - on Suzuka and on the High Speed Ring. I had plans for testing it elsewhere, well these did not reach fruition yet ;)

While I managed to get as high as second at GVS during the first lap (only to gradually lose places afterwards), I could capture the lead at Suzuka without much trouble and easily stay there. This came as a bit of a surprise, given more high speed sections, where the acceleration and top speed really did not favour the car all that much. Not surprisingly, some defensive weaving was necessary on the Back Stretch and the Main Straight but otherwise the lead was easy to defend. The car would rotate beautifully into the First and Second corners - I had the impression that I always gained time on the competition there (forgot, another lvl 15 Tuner Challenge race). I overdid it with deferring braking into the First Corner on one lap, so ended up with the rear wheels off track, the car pointing completely backwards, yet still managed to get it back on track in some improbable maneuvre - quite what the diffs were up to I do not know but it would have looked fairly impressive to the digital observers on the stands there :lol: And I did not lose places doing it, either. The S curves, Gyaku and Dunlop all worked well - a bit of lift off oversteer could be provoked before each, allowing you to go through without understeering (not sure it is the fastest way around but it sure was fun). I took the first of the Degner curves in a four wheel drift usually and provided I did not drift all the way out into gravel, the second one was a doddle. The getting the back out in slow corners by mashing the throttle also helped power out of the Hairpin curve. Finally in the 130R I usually produced a bit of a wobble, the car not quite sure whether to oversteer or understeer but that again can be attributed back to me, not quite knowing whether it will make the corner or not :)

Somehow, in spite of the lack of acceleration and top speed, I felt the car worked much better for me on this track, especially the first sector. 👍

With a bit of instruction from a master of the art I may soon be able to get more out of it on GVS, too ;)

Finally, the High Speed Ring. I entered the Turbo Challenge (lvl 17) race here, after figuring I was not going to win the lvl 23 American Championship Laguna Seca race in it (but did manage to run as high as fifth, with the most astounding line through the Corkscrew corner I have ever managed) :lol:

The car seemed to hit a wall (figuratively) in terms of accelerating at 256kmh, which is a bit little for the power (at this featherlight weight). I am sure it has the aerodynamics of a barn door that explain it, rallying not being a top speed sport. ;) Regardless, I was first before the second corner and it was easy to build a lead from there. I do not have the times here but I think I was running in the 1.11.xxx range with it. The second and third corners were interesting in the car. Braking for both of them would have the rear end break loose, if you then lift completely for a second before reapplying it, the car will stabilize and power out in a straight line, killing the excess oversteer. Again I cannot say how fast that is but it looks good, feels fun and seems to be absolutely safe (felt like heading for the armco or grass on several occassions but always managed to keep it on track). 👍

Maybe a comment from the author, on how it works on twistier circuits and whether my impressions come as expected, i.e. this represents the car and not only my driving? :)
 
if it is supposed to slip some in the corners then the car is perfectly fine...i just thought that losing control was a bad thing. i guess i'll have to learn how to use the slide of a car with the momentum of the car to take turns at higher speed and not necessarily take a car-is-pointed-in-the-direction-im-wanting-to-go way.

It can do both ways and while going with full grip is unsurprisingly faster it's also harder to do. It's much less thought consuming to just throw it into a second gear corner, kick the tail out and then floor it. From then on steering corrections should do the trick.

Sometimes one gets the impression that you will save it even if you are looking at the road through the C pillar, and most of the time the impression would be correct ;)

That's about the best description I've seen this far. During testing I had a couple of very near wipeouts in the first right hander of GVS, getting the left wheels on the grass during braking. The car's reaction to such a mistake is an instant 90 degree spin to the side that still has grip (in this case, right) but instead of going off the track it pulled itself through the corner completely sideways with all four wheels drawing black marks on the tarmac. Oh, and thanks for the detailed reviews, of course!
 
And during this weekend we shall release two American monsters. They both follow recipe from 60's racing world, which roughly translates into following formula: Small car, biggest possible engine, shoehorn and some elbow grease. While they follow different schools of engine tuning, their performance is surprisingly similar.
 
I saw your Challenger the old model .with 662 BHP .( racing modification car )
Did you re-install the 3rd engine upgrade after you bought the racing modification car ?
most people forget that.
 
Nothing to reinstall I think, it was built from new with the racing modification being carried out before buying any other parts.
 
Nothing to reinstall I think, it was built from new with the racing modification being carried out before buying any other parts.

Strange , I have same car with ~ 770 BHP with torque ~ 110 and yours ~ 660 BHP with torque ~ 90
I checked it twice and I'm sure it's more than 660 . I didn't change the metric unit .
the DVD Region2

I bought a premium one from dodge dealership
full name : CHALLENGER R/T '70 with 425 BHP
and bought all parts and it gave 700 BHP ,then I bought the Racing modification one . it give me less so I checked all parts and discovered the stage 3 of engine was not intalled ( you need to move your pointers on the pictures and press X not on tick square ).
else it will be a bug on settings .
 
It sounds every bit like you've bought a supercharger for yours and the power figures match it, could that perhaps be the reason? Careful examination of the parts list reveals that the car is meant to be normally aspirated. Not "all parts". ;)
 
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