Mad FinnTuners Co. - Finished 081213 - The Final Countdown, 4, 3, 2, 1, OUT!

[kennyblanco]

I see you guys have been busy putting out more quality rides. Lost my internet for a bit but I'm back now. And as promised plan to have some more reviews coming soon. Keep up the good work.👍 It is very much appreciated!

Hope you get your ps3 fixed soon Greycap. 👍

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I have a tune request, do i just post it here?

i'm looking for a fast road tune for a Chrysler Crossfire for ~450PP, on comfort soft/sport hard tyres and without fitting a wing.

Not quite. First you need to select one of our tunes, built it and test it, and then write a short, or preferably long review like Kingmoshoeshoe2 has been doing. Then, depending of which one of us made the tune you tested, you get to request the tune you want from Greycap or me. 👍

I see you guys have been busy putting out more quality rides. Lost my internet for a bit but I'm back now. And as promised plan to have some more reviews coming soon. Keep up the good work.👍 It is very much appreciated!

Hope you get your ps3 fixed soon Greycap. 👍

He's buying a new one, the old 60gb launch model was done for, acute HD failure..

 

[QB1o]

that's easy, i'm gonna tune up my 240Z and quattro to these specs, two cars I drive daily
cheers!

 

[Jakob79]

Tuned my NSX-R `02 with your NSX GT2 specs and that thing handles like a Pro just did the MR Sports cup with it on racing softs and won all three events on the first go, also tryed it around Nürburgring NS and 7:04 on my second lap awsum, Ty very much for your efford you guys put into this.

 

[kingmoshoeshoe2]

A quick one on the go. Another car I tried out from your FF selection is the Integra DC5 '04. I had a forelorn looking one sitting in my garage for ages, intended for the tune but not having received it so far.

The proving ground was the same TM seasonal as for the other two hot hatches, to give some comparability to proceedings.

Given your comments about this needing more care and attention I did pproach it more carefully but then figured out that all the torque and extra power from the turbo going through the front wheels can be handled relatively easily.

Still, it is not quite like the MZR or the Lutecia, in that the car requires a bit more thought with pedal applications, i.e. it will punish (too) late braking, or too early throttle openings out of corners with the nose washing wide, something the others tolerate will probably have you staring at an approaching barrier here.

Not to say it is in any way dramatic - it is an extremely well behaved car for a 350bhp+ FF beast and the added difficulty in driving it is modest. The other comment is that the car appears a bit more inert. On the one hand some people like the feeling of 'like on rails' but it simply gives you fewer options to alter the car's line once comitted - the rear will not rotate noticeably when lifting the throttle, for instance, while full power on corner exits will tuck the nose in but only if you judge the timing well (otherwise it will get you the opposite).

What is undisputed is the car's speed. While I figured that much of the power and PP advantage would go up in smoking fronts, it turned out not to be the case. In TM it posts comparable times to the MZR over the first two sectors but absolutely murders it in the final two - lap times over a second faster are the rule.

You will make a mistake more easily perhaps but overall you should be able to beat the other two without breaking too much sweat. It will ask more of the driver if you want lap times comparable to what the authors post here and it may be a bit less fun in that it doesn't quite have the vivacious character of the other two but it is probably one of the most accomplised turbo FFs at this power level I have driven 👍

 

[Greycap]

Greycaps PS3 went into coma last night.

He's buying a new one, the old 60gb launch model was done for, acute HD failure..

Two corrections - not in a coma but pronounced very dead after more than four years of abuse and the HD is highly likely 100% OK but the motherboard is history. It went from alive and well to beyond any help in half a second.

I'm actually not regretting that my PS3 failed, buying a new one isn't a problem (and has actually been done already, a 160GB slim is on its way) but it's sad that another 60GB model with all the bells and whistles is gone. They never were that common to begin with and the numbers are getting lower every day. Had it been a run of the mill 40/80/120/whatever GB model I wouldn't have cared half as much.

And then we get to the reviews...

Mazdaspeed 3 MCR, another of the "damn I'm never going to match Leo's time - oh I completely slaughtered it" cars. When I first got my hands on the Renault it was a serious benchmark and I really thought I would be hard pressed to get anything even close but the Mazda delivered some real magic and outperformed its rival quite handily while actually feeling slower. Smoothness probably was the key.

Calibra V6 DTM, right in the same class as the Mazda. I was actually going to make the 190 Evo II DTM to rival the Alfa but it soon became apparent that it had little to say at the red rocket so a plan B was needed. With nothing to lose I eyed the Calibra, remembering its hopeless understeer in GT4 and thinking that at least it'll have a better reason to being slow than the RWD Mercedes... well, that reason wasn't needed as can be seen. It responded to both setup changes and driving actions like few cars do and provided a great surprise, as well as great driving pleasure.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

that's easy, i'm gonna tune up my 240Z and quattro to these specs, two cars I drive daily
cheers!

Don't you mean 240RS?

Tuned my NSX-R `02 with your NSX GT2 specs and that thing handles like a Pro just did the MR Sports cup with it on racing softs and won all three events on the first go, also tryed it around Nürburgring NS and 7:04 on my second lap awsum, Ty very much for your efford you guys put into this.

It indeed did come out damn near perfect, only blemish it has is that it could handle more power than what it has..

A long DC-5 review

It indeed is well-behaved little monster. I have a feeling that I should give it another go, perhaps in RM-spec, seeing that the FF's finally handle well thanks to the new physics.

 

[QB1o]

NisMo 240RS-R'83 Review

This car was tested on sports/hard tyres with no driving aids including ABS on Clubman Stage R5. My best lap after seven or eight tries was 1:01.006 and with care maintaining grip and getting nearer each apex I could get very close to the minute mark with some more time.

I've had the stock 240RS for a long time, and i've driven it quite a bit in online races. Before today i hadn't tuned it at all.
I thought this would make a good drift car with reasonable PP, something to practice drifting in while looking boxy and awesome, so I decided to give this tune a try.

Note: If you have a car that likes to go sideways, let some Finns at it if you want it to go more sideways.


In 240RS trim, I find this car has limited usefulness. It's always been great fun to belt around any track in, even if many cars of similar PP numbers will probably beat it due to being less tail-happy and easier to get the power down to the track without all the theatrics.

Upgrading it to RS-R spec makes it easier to break loose at the back, which on a road track is not necessarily good for lap times but on a dirt track in a RWD car improves it's ability to gain good positions through corners. I tested the RS-R on Clubman R5 and lapped 2.5 seconds faster that the stock RS setup. This is impressive on such a short track, however, I then took the RS-R to Eiger W Trail and this is where it made the most sense to me.

The light weight combined with progressive handling, awesome acceleration and mid corner poise in low grip conditions makes it a fabulous off road car. the diff setting works with the light weight and seems to give excellent mid-slide acceleration which is not quite normal in a car that doesn't use AWD on dirt.
It's like the bastard child of a Civic Type R and a Lancia Stratos. I love it.

I'm going to fix my quattro now.

👍👍👍

EDIT: I did mean 240RS!

 

[Greycap]

I'm going to fix my quattro now.

In case this isn't coming too late, you might want to move the power split quite a bit more to the front if testing on gravel or snow - the car has its roots in a wet weather special and under those conditions I was running it with a 45/55 split to make the most of the power. Not that it won't work with the specified 25/75, it certainly will, but that's a tarmac optimized split and will result in wasting traction on low grip surfaces.

 

[C-ZETA]

Hello there, MFT. May I please point you to my review for your Pagani Zonda CRS '02 car. Read it at some point...Leo.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

NisMo 240RS-R'83 Review

This car was tested on sports/hard tyres with no driving aids including ABS on Clubman Stage R5. My best lap after seven or eight tries was 1:01.006 and with care maintaining grip and getting nearer each apex I could get very close to the minute mark with some more time.

I've had the stock 240RS for a long time, and i've driven it quite a bit in online races. Before today i hadn't tuned it at all.
I thought this would make a good drift car with reasonable PP, something to practice drifting in while looking boxy and awesome, so I decided to give this tune a try.

Note: If you have a car that likes to go sideways, let some Finns at it if you want it to go more sideways.


In 240RS trim, I find this car has limited usefulness. It's always been great fun to belt around any track in, even if many cars of similar PP numbers will probably beat it due to being less tail-happy and easier to get the power down to the track without all the theatrics.

Upgrading it to RS-R spec makes it easier to break loose at the back, which on a road track is not necessarily good for lap times but on a dirt track in a RWD car improves it's ability to gain good positions through corners. I tested the RS-R on Clubman R5 and lapped 2.5 seconds faster that the stock RS setup. This is impressive on such a short track, however, I then took the RS-R to Eiger W Trail and this is where it made the most sense to me.

The light weight combined with progressive handling, awesome acceleration and mid corner poise in low grip conditions makes it a fabulous off road car. the diff setting works with the light weight and seems to give excellent mid-slide acceleration which is not quite normal in a car that doesn't use AWD on dirt.
It's like the bastard child of a Civic Type R and a Lancia Stratos. I love it.

I'm going to fix my quattro now.

👍👍👍

EDIT: I did mean 240RS!

Well done for a first review!👍 Now, about that car you wanted? I assmune you have it tuned to the specs that you want, thus, send it to my way. My PSN is GTP_Leonidae_MFT, thus, send a friend request and the car once I've accepted it.

Hello there, MFT. May I please point you to my review for your Pagani Zonda CRS '02 car. Read it at some point...Leo.

I've read it and I have to admit that you didn't choose the easiest car in the lot to review, for which you have my respect. Keep up the good work!

 

[kingmoshoeshoe2]

Next in line, the savage version of the R32, namely the Nismo GT-R V-Spec II R-Tune. I am a massive fan of its lower powered sibling, which is both relatively easy to drive, and much faster than it has any right to be, given its power to weight ratio and age. So what would the wilder, unleashed version of the car be like?

Turns out, very little like its more benign brother. There is steam locomotive acceleration, which is surprisingly well masked (you see it more in the speedo than feel it). And then there is cornering. In this respect the R-Tune is pretty much completely unlike any of its brothers I have driven so far (for better or worse will depend on the observer). Feathering or part feathering the throttle will push the nose wide and a gradual reapplication will not noticeably help.

In fact driving it that way will produce neither good times, nor any real satisfaction - the car simply has insufficient front grip and this has to be dealt with. Luckily one of the other characteristics it does not share with lesser GT-Rs is its fair tail happiness. If you are brutal with the throttle and steer the car from behind, so to speak, it suddenly starts making much more sense. Manhandling it in this way will get better times and more of a grin on your face but it will not be natural to all.

It is certainly not a car, whee every novice will be fast from the get go, and to be honest, it will probably discourage most. If you do not adapt your driving style, there is plenty of understeer and the whole experience is a bit like all the controls are coated in treacle - in short it seems the car is much heavier than the numbers suggest and that it has massive inertia. If you adapt your driving style to suit the car, there will be seconds falling off the lap time and it will certainly be more fun but at the same time it is hard work extracting the best from the car.

At GVS I managed my standard three seconds a lap slower than Greycap but I also tried it on TM, where I have some comparison times from plenty of recent driving. Funilly enough, it is only about 1 second faster to the second sector time then the Mazda 3 MCR but it then starts really flying timewise in the second half of the lap, where it manages to take a full 4 seconds out of the little Mazda. This may have something to do with using a controller rather than the wheel but in my hands, the car certainly works better in the faster sections than the twisties.

 

[QB1o]

Audi quattro Straße '82 Mini Review
Clubman R5. Driving aids off. Sports Hard.
1:00.3xx lap time

I'm only doing a small review for this, as i haven't had a race all day and am keen to get one in before nightfall.

This tune is epic.

The big problem with the quattro in stock trim is the understeer, and this tune clears it right up. Previously I'd raced the quattro in some 440PP online races and after a few corners I realised I wasn't going to keep with the elise, FT86 and honda (etc.) leaders unless they all made mistakes.
I believe this was due to the loose front end, something not uncommon in AWD cars, and this one has it in spades.
The quattro has a tendency to not want to turn in much, or it even wants a cheeky scandinavian flick to give it the right attitude approaching a corner. This isn't really going to bring home a win in the racing circles i'm in so I sought out a tune to tidy it up and i'm glad I've found this one.

After the first few moments with this tune I discovered that the front of the car was like an apex junkie looking for a hit on each corner.
'Wow. That's new.' I thought.
Then when I got comfortable with it I found that the back of the car was stepping out under brakes and lift-off and adding time on each corner; I'm sure S/S tyres would negate this but I tend to stick with S/H unless I'm in something exotic or a race car. This was killing my times.
Sooo, to balance the tune for my tyre preferences, I removed 100kg of ballast and I've now got a little more time after braking to keep the back in check. It works a treat. Besides that, I've cranked the PP down to 480 and set the brake bias to 4:1.

It still allows for four-wheel drifts out of a bend with the foot mashing the pedal, and it's very manageable. Turning under heavy braking will redden the back tyres, yet turning while feathering the brakes can be done without losing any composure at all.
Heel toe works really well to keep the car settled as well, something I feel this car would be ideal to practice in.

I've only had 20 mins in it so far, but i'm impressed to say the least. It's like you've given me a whole new car!

Thanks MFT, you're on my christmas card list for next year.

five tups, it really is an ace tune!
👍👍👍👍👍

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I think that we should start publishing more mainstream cars to get some more attention.. Hm. We shall see..

 

[Greycap]

kingmoshoeshoe2 - That GT-R is indeed different from every other GT-R, with the exception of perhaps the '12, in that it actually turns under throttle. My driving style is very "determined" so to speak which translates to going into a corner with the brake pedal on the floor and moving quickly to full throttle after that so it's no wonder that it doesn't like feathering - it was never made to do it! It's a relatively heavy car with zero downforce and a lot of power so you're right about it needing more than just a gentle wish to make it do what the driver wants, there's no room to let the car choose where it likes to go. Your comment about it working better in fast sections than twisties is quite interesting (while logical) though, in its finished form it lapped Autumn Ring faster than the RUF BTR also in our line-up which has the same amount of power, 80 Nm more torque, nearly 300 kg less weight and Racing Mediums. And a wing.

QB1o - The quattro tune originally began life as a 400PP wet track online project for me so you've actually taken it closer to its roots by decreasing power and grip, an interesting turn of fate I have to say. Your version probably understeers slightly more than mine thanks to the balance change but the tyre downgrade (together with ABS off, I guess?) might cure that. It's hard to say how different your experience was from the one intended as turning ABS off (which was actually available on old quattros) necessitates changing the braking balance, the ballast change means that the suspension setup doesn't work like it was meant to be anymore and the tyre change can throw the handling balance all out of whack so I have to conclude that while the car apparently handled very well I have no idea if it handled like the one I tuned...

 

[QB1o]

....the ballast change means that the suspension setup doesn't work like it was meant to be anymore and the tyre change can throw the handling balance all out of whack so I have to conclude that while the car apparently handled very well I have no idea if it handled like the one I tuned...

handles the same except the lift-off oversteer happens a little later, giving me time to use pedals and stick. I was able to lap a half second quicker with less ballast because i wasn't smoking the hard tyres so much 👍

I don't enjoy racing with ABS or godmode tyres on so any tunes i use have to be adjusted, no offence intended

 

[kingmoshoeshoe2]

Just wanted to provide a short update on the DTM Calibra. I decided to finally give the 1000 km of Suzuka a go this weekend and figured, why not give the Calibra a try. It has a significantly lower PP rating, so I first looked at how I was doing over a period of 3 laps or so, to decide whether to use it or not (doing 1000 km and then not winning would not be ideal).

Turns out I was doing pretty well and was comfortably faster, gaining most time in the first and last sectors of the lap. One thing I did not bargain for (and the reason for this addition to the review) was the tyre wear. Even I was surprised how quickly they went and in the dry, a set of race softs was practically gone in six laps. The fronts seemed to wear quite a bit faster and were always also at a slightly higher temperature than the rears. I never got the wheels to spin (you need more torque than the puny 2.5 can dish out, especially with AWD, for that to happen), yet one could practically visibly see the tyre wear. I tried holding a bit longer but the 7th lap had the fronts down to the canvas, while the rears could possibly do 8 at a stretch, however the lap times dropped off quite a bit, too.

The situation stabilized with Intermediates in the wet. The car handles them reasonably well and is still much faster than the NSXs that were hounding me in the dry - while I was faster, they made their time up by having to pit only every 13 or so laps, time that I needed to make up every stint.

So I got myself a bit of clear air on the intermediates, which at first lasted around 10 laps, then with the track completely soaked up to 25. I tried the full wets (as suggested when pitting), however had to come back after 5 laps (with the tyres practically fresh) and change back to Inters, as the handling fell to pieces completely on the Rain tyres. The car seemed to have no grip at all, was slower than the competitors and you needed to tiptoe your way around, where full throttle was possible on Inters in the same weather.

Saved for the night, still got 22 laps to go - will update this when I am done, looks like a comfortable win though, as I am about 2.5 laps ahead of the others at the moment.

EDIT: Finished the race last night. Continuing in the wet with intermediates gave me a 5-10 second a lap advantage, till the track started drying out and the others changed to Inters, while I went to RS. Suddenly the advantage was gone, or rather, they took around 3 seconds a lap out of me. I do not think it would have been better, had I stayed on intermediates, as my times did improve by several seconds, it is just lucky that the others decided to drive on full wets for most of the race, otherwise it would be quite a struggle. Still, another endurance race in the bag, one closer to completion

 

[kingmoshoeshoe2]

I think that we should start publishing more mainstream cars to get some more attention.. Hm. We shall see..

Getting fed up with weirdos like me, huh?

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Naw, just want more reviews and such

 

[Onboy123]

Naw, just want more reviews and such

Don't all tuners? Some tune because they want to, some do it for others recognition through reviews, and then there's you lot, who does it just to scare testers like me.

Would you accept a small paragraph as a review with the odd immense post for the review thread? I always viewed you lot as having a very high standard for reviews so I didn't want to do a normal paragraph…you guys just look too scary.

And Leo, do you want a fairly low mileage (Low as in somewhere around the 500-1000 miles mark) S-tune R32? I recently picked one up. Again.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Sure, why not. And you don't even know how we do look like in real life, so how can you say that we're scary? sure, there's that old photo in the Gt4 thread byut I'm a lot leaner and meaner nowadays

 

[ChinaRestaurant]

Concerning a review: I finally found a Spirra, hopefully I'll get around to try your tune out over the next days.

Alrighty then: Review for The ProtoMotors Spirra

ProtoMotors Spirra SC II '04

583 bhp, 749 Nm, 1026 kg
Painted in Pearl Black from Oullim Motors


Clickable for full size​

First off: when I was entering the settings for the car I was expecting this car to bite my head off on the first turn. But oddly enough after a few laps around the Nurburgring I found this car was handling sensationally. It is extremely controllable on high speeds (driving and braking), the lift-off-oversteer I was expecting was nonexistant, the car goes in and out of corners as quickly as you dare it to go, basically I was fooled by my own expecations of the car.

The only 'negative' point I could come up with is the instability under shifting in the lower gears but that can be avoided if you learn the exact shifting spots on the track (or what would be the exact shifting spots for this particular car). I'm sure heel-toers will have their fun with this car ;P (I use the flappy pedal shifter on the G27, so no clutching for me (yet)).

If I had to compare this car to another one I would say it would come close to a more powerful JGTC NSX, although this does not come as a surprise. The cars share basic similarities like weight and drivetrain. So what I would like to categorize the Spirra as would be something like a KGTC car.

Anyways I had loads of fun with this car and will surely continue to take it for a ride regularly. Congratulations on another great tune!

Oh, almost forgot: Nurburgring (Nordschleife of course) laptime on the third lap was 6:45.454

 

[250 GTO]

What car is the base for the Nismo GT-R V-SpecII R-Tune '94 Tune???

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

'94 V-Spec II premium.

 

[250 GTO]

oh okay, so all the stickers are just photoshop ?

 

[Onboy123]

oh okay, so all the stickers are just photoshop ?

Nope, unreleased livery pack.

Yes, it's Photoshopped.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

oh okay, so all the stickers are just photoshop ?

Sadly yes.. But they got you fooled, didn't they?

Nope, unreleased livery pack.

Yes, it's Photoshopped.

I know someone who is getting coal next Christmas.

 

[250 GTO]

Sadly yes.. But they got you fooled, didn't they?

They did yes

 

[Greycap]

kingmoshoeshoe2 - Now that's something I never had in mind when making the car! AWD seems to be just as magical in the rain as one would expect, and for a change the low torque is actually a benefit. The car is around 50PP behind the opposition so I guess it can be called successful!

ChinaRestaurant - I have to conclude that the physics updates must have changed things, it was nothing short of insane to drive in v1.0x before the tyres got overhauled. But fast it always was, that can't be denied. Thanks for the review, and good to hear that the car found another happy owner!

250 GTO - The graphics department has struck again.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Volkswagen Scirocco R-GT'10

351 bhp, 422 Nm, 1169 kg, PP 499
Painted in Greencollection Perleffekt from Volkswagen


Clickable for full size​

Parts to fit:
Oil Change
New Wheels, Enkei JS+M , finished in original color from Enkei
Front Splitter Type A
Chassis Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Carbon Bonnet (Body Colour)
Sports ECU
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Titanium Racing Exhaust
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Fully Customizable Transmission
Twin Plate Clutch
Semi Racing Flywheel
Fully Customizable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension Kit
Sports Soft Tyres

Overall cost:

Transmission

Note: First, reset the gearbox to the default settings, then set the Max speed, and only then set the gear ratios.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.192
2nd: 1.507
3rd: 1.114
4th: 0.924
5th: 0.781
6th: 0.680
Final Gear: 4.769

Max speed: 320 km/h

Fully Customizable LSD
Initial Torque: 15
Acceleration Sensitivity: 55
Braking Sensitivity: 5

Suspension
Ride Height Adjustment (mm): 0 / 0
Spring Rate (kgf/mm): 7.0 / 6.0
Dampers (Extension): 10 / 10
Dampers (Compression): 2 / 8
Anti-Roll Bars: 7 / 2
Camber Angle (-): 2.0 / 1.0
Toe Angle: -0.40 / -0.40

Brake Balance Controller
Brake Balance: 2 / 10

Driving Options
ASM: Off
TCS: 0
ABS: 1

When the iconic Scirocco returned, it did so with a bang, running with variety of motors, even a turbodiesel. But now it is time to bring out the true hot pepper in the lineup, one that's above R, yet below the N24 version. This is Scirocco R-GT'10, and if the quick latches on the bonnet aren't enough obvious clue about the performance credentials, let's add some numbers. 351 bhp and 422Nm move this 1169kg chassis at a pace that might give a shock to Focus RS500 owners. While the power cannot be entirely controlled by the front wheels, the addition of proper LSD and tweaked gear ratios help you to deliver most of the performance when needed. And forget the old FWD stigma of on brakes understeer, this one might just kick the tail out when divebombing the chicane just for the fun of it.