Mad FinnTuners Co. - Finished 081213 - The Final Countdown, 4, 3, 2, 1, OUT!
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Well, countersteer is purely instinctive for us, so it was no trouble at all.. 
Mad? Well, that was a requirement in the contract..
Mad? Well, that was a requirement in the contract.. 
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It indeed is bit twitchy when at the rugged edge.. But that's the best way to get good times out of it. Good to hear that you enjoyed of it.
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Honda NSX GT2'91
393 bhp, 391 Nm, 1045 kg, PP 548
Painted in New Formula Red from Amuse
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Could you revisit the "Spring Rates" on this Tune? The minimum rates are 8.8 / 10.4. I would like to test this NSX against some of the Sponsored Race NSX's. Thanks!
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I can confirm with 100% certainty, having just checked them, that the minimum values are 3.0 / 3.0. The car isn't the NSX-R LM Race Car you think it is, but a RM'ed Acura NSX painted red to commemorate the original NSX GT1 from the '90s.
And now, for both previous posters. Quoting myself again.
Cut the quotes if possible. The statement doesn't exist for nothing.
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Having found a bit of time again, I tried out the next one of your recent FFs - namely the Scirocco R-GT '10. To be honest, I expected a variation on the ITR theme and was quite surprised, when I tried it out on the Trial Mountain circuit.
One tip in your description says it all - something about it kicking the tail out when divebombing a chicane. It does that. A lot. I do not know if it is a result of the brake force distribution, or the LSD settings but the car is certainly 'lively'.
Where the Honda is natural and immediately fast, the times need to be patiently extracted from the Scirocco. It will understeer more if you apply the throttle too soon, and corner combinations demand a lot of concentration, if you do not want all four tyres losing traction and the car entering a tankslapper. It is not impossible to control, you just lose time this way. One thing that is noticeable is the pretty poor braking when the road surface is not very smooth.
Initially I was 5 seconds a lap slower than with the ITR, a time that gradually got down to 2 seconds slower, something I did not manage to shave down further. This made it a bit slower than the Mazdaspeed 3, too.
I tried the car at R246 as well and while I managed to win as well (the current Online A Spec 3 lap Challenge), it was much tighter than with the ITR, in spite of the identical PP rating.
Here some things were even more apparent - the higher rate of understeer in corners, and the much lower levels of stability in fast direction changes. The quick right left at Asakasa Palace for instance is a particularly difficult one to manage cleanly.
I am sure that one can get to similar times as with the ITR, given time and concentration but it is certainly not like the second skin the Honda is. It is much harder work and can always surprise, if you are not careful. On the other hand that simply makes it more of both a challenge and accomplishment, when you get it right.
One tip in your description says it all - something about it kicking the tail out when divebombing a chicane. It does that. A lot. I do not know if it is a result of the brake force distribution, or the LSD settings but the car is certainly 'lively'.
Where the Honda is natural and immediately fast, the times need to be patiently extracted from the Scirocco. It will understeer more if you apply the throttle too soon, and corner combinations demand a lot of concentration, if you do not want all four tyres losing traction and the car entering a tankslapper. It is not impossible to control, you just lose time this way. One thing that is noticeable is the pretty poor braking when the road surface is not very smooth.
Initially I was 5 seconds a lap slower than with the ITR, a time that gradually got down to 2 seconds slower, something I did not manage to shave down further. This made it a bit slower than the Mazdaspeed 3, too.
I tried the car at R246 as well and while I managed to win as well (the current Online A Spec 3 lap Challenge), it was much tighter than with the ITR, in spite of the identical PP rating.
Here some things were even more apparent - the higher rate of understeer in corners, and the much lower levels of stability in fast direction changes. The quick right left at Asakasa Palace for instance is a particularly difficult one to manage cleanly.
I am sure that one can get to similar times as with the ITR, given time and concentration but it is certainly not like the second skin the Honda is. It is much harder work and can always surprise, if you are not careful. On the other hand that simply makes it more of both a challenge and accomplishment, when you get it right.
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Fine... no Tune quotes. I was looking for a tune for the "Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car", and GTplanet (https://sites.google.com/site/gt5tune/home) listed your tune as the only one that had been done for it. They list 7 tunes for the '91 Acura RM, but I already have them. So now I know that NO ONE has tried to tune the NSX Prototype Race Car. Must be too hard to tune, I guess. Sorry.
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I know that RKM have at least one tune on the LM NSX. Should probably head over there, if you did not find it elsewhere. 
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Well, it is quite a lot heavier than the ITR, and it wasn't designed as a trackday weapon to start with unlike ITR.. It's more of a fashion statement, similar to Mini but with more power, and a big load of torque which is the culprit regarding the understeer.
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Do not get me wrong - I did not mean to be unduly critical. After 15 laps or so your time is getting close to that of the other FF cars it is just that it is more of a challenge getting to those times
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First post here at GT Planet, and I found this thread from looking for tuning setups for various cars, and let's say I can't wait to get started 
Somehow you guys seem just more professional yet seem to offer more accessible tunes than any others, I must try a few tunes next time I fire up the PS3
Somehow you guys seem just more professional yet seem to offer more accessible tunes than any others, I must try a few tunes next time I fire up the PS3
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Well, we've been tuning cars in GT since 2007, so.. Have fun!
Have fun!
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Bet your Lambo don't look this badass
Anyway nice tunes.
Anyway nice tunes.
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Bet your Lambo don't look this badass
Anyway nice tunes.
Reflex Spice?
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No. It's a dlc colour.
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Leonidae, could you check these settings once more? I tried to apply them to my LFA today and the 5th and 6th gear ratios were impossible to apply, they were too far to the right and the boundaries stopped me before they reached that number...
EDIT: Also, perhaps the 1st gear ratio for the Ferrari California tune is a typo? Shouldn't it be 3.428 instead of 3.248 as the latter is impossible?
EDIT 2: The gear ratios for the Lambo Murcielago SV also seem off the scale and impossible, perhaps a new update has narrowed the gear ratio boundaries? Either that or I'm doing something wrong
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The only word to describe this car: badass. The only way to drive it: carefully. And thats just the stock one. It's not fast, just fun and insane. But what happens when MFT get hold of it? This, the 560sv. The final countach before the Diablo takes centre stage and shows the world what Lamborghini does. Madness! I tested this car at the RougeTestingFacility, my personal nurburg. And I loved it, I loved its power and it's noise. But most of all, I loved its sheer loonacy in corners,mthe tyres just grip and grip and grip. Unless you are being idiotic and thinking "It'll be fine to slide it. It's a Lambo." but, read over that sentence: it's a Lambo. And therefore an assassin. With 561bhp. I tried this first of and got the disease, one-more-lap syndrome. It's chaotic looks suggest a chaotic drive but, keep on its sweet side and you'll love it. A devil reborn, into the god of all cars.
20/20 another AMAZING mod guys. Well done.
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Ok, I fired this up for a spin today, and first things first. Mine had something like 805BHP and more than that figure for torque... Does RM'ing a car with parts on mean a higher total power at the end? Also to take into account, I have a very heavy foot. As in, I mash the brakes (often too late) before a corner, and mash the accelerator on the way out. Makes for some interesting races
I play driving line on, TC and ABS at 1 with all other assists off, using a Sixaxis.I did have to peg the Chevy back down to around 615BHP for the 650PP Seasonal event around the Madrid circuit, and what a machine! It accelerates faster than any racecar on the grid for a start, making the back straight very easy. It's also very stable at high speeds, the car always feels planted whatever the speed. Braking is also very nice and stable (even with my hard braking), and braking while turning is no problem at all either: as the entry into the sharp roundabout hairpin showed. I brake while turning right into this corner, and as it bends right before the very sharp left hairpin, some cars I've done this to will simply spin out here. Not so the ZR1 RM. It kept as stable as if it was braking in a straight line and guided me around the hairpin. No manic axe-murderer here then.
The cornering, however, is simply surreal and is probably the car's best quality. For a 600+BHP American muscle car it corners superbly. The turn-in is sharp and crisp, it grips mid-corner however you thrash the brakes or throttle, and the exit is (usually) nice and tidy. If you really hit the gas hard on some hairpins the back will, rather reluctantly, let go, but it provides plenty of warning of when it'll do so, so you can catch it as it does and hold it if you like.
A fantastic tune that has transformed the ZR1 (C6) from a straight line powerhouse to a delicate track muncher. Thank you Greycap.
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Incidentally I also tried this today, but my Murcielago probably differed from the one you tested by quite a lot... I've tuned the power further and it has closer to 850 BHP, but the same suspension settings.
Testing on the same 650PP Madrid seasonal event, and this car is a beast. I'm not going to plug a hugely long review as my car was probably very different, but it is a handful to manage. It's very squirrelly under braking, there's a bit of understeer, and if you plant the power too soon, you'll be in a cloud of smoke by the side of the track.
Despite this however, if you manhandle this rampaging bull around the track, it is devastatingly fast. I managed consistent times of 1:19 around Madrid, only a second slower than the more composed ZR1, although the Lambo does have 200+ more HP. It will not forgive you for any mistakes however, let the rear slide out just a fraction too much and it will kill you. Braking on a slight turn or braking too hard will spin the car and it will kill you. But my god it's fast.
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Leonidae, could you check these settings once more? I tried to apply them to my LFA today and the 5th and 6th gear ratios were impossible to apply, they were too far to the right and the boundaries stopped me before they reached that number...
EDIT: Also, perhaps the 1st gear ratio for the Ferrari California tune is a typo? Shouldn't it be 3.428 instead of 3.248 as the latter is impossible?
EDIT 2: The gear ratios for the Lambo Murcielago SV also seem off the scale and impossible, perhaps a new update has narrowed the gear ratio boundaries? Either that or I'm doing something wrong
Did you follow the transmission instructions? I admit, unlike Greycap, I haven't fixed my transmissions since the update did change them, but errors in his setups shouldn't exist as he fixed them.
Anyway, I've started working towards fixing the gearing of the early tunes.It is one of my favorite old Lambos, that one. Lunacy of the 80's in the sheetmetal and lunacy of my own in the settings.
You oughta try the Miura, it's couple steps further down the path to total chaos.
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Leonidae@MFTDid you follow the transmission instructions? I admit, unlike Greycap, I haven't fixed my transmissions since the update did change them, but errors in his setups shouldn't exist as he fixed them.
I think I did, is it:
Default settings
Max Speed
Final Drive
then gear ratios?
I did it that way, and they were off the scale...
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Yep, that's a mistake by me. Writing down the setup at 2300 hours FTW...
...but that's not, I double checked it. If you mean the car you had tuned to outrun Apollo 13 it may be a case of the tuning parts affecting the available ratios, some of them do that. I can guarantee that the ratios work for the specified power level but my power ends there.EDIT 2: The gear ratios for the Lambo Murcielago SV also seem off the scale and impossible, perhaps a new update has narrowed the gear ratio boundaries? Either that or I'm doing something wrong
Then we'll go to the Corvette review. While I don't personally like the car, mainly because it's worshipped by people who don't realize that its main advantage is nothing else than power, I can't deny that it handles very well for its power. Perhaps even too well as it would have to oversteer more for my liking but the lack of tail happiness certainly helps with stability and makes it a suitable choice for situations in which full concentration has to be given for the race.
And the Murciélago review. All I can say is that it wouldn't be any different even if you hadn't increased the power.
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Just to do the Scirocco's brother justice, here a quick review of the Civic Type R Zero. After the 'surprise' with the Scirocco's very mobile tail, I was taking nothing for granted
It turns out the CTR Zero shares quite a bit of ancestry with the ITR but not all. It will understeer more than the ITR but less than the Focus or Scirocco, for instance. The rear end is tied down no matter what and the acceleration is certainly stronger than that of the Focus (with the rest there is not that much in it). I did not quite achieve the cornering speeds with the CTR that I could do in the ITR but overall it was a stable, well behaved FF.
As befits a car by Greycap, part throttle does not adjust the car's line all that much
I tried it at Trial Mountain and R246 (the two recent 500PP seasonals) and found it easy to win with it in both first time around. The times were a smidge off the ITR and definitely much more consistent than the Scirocco in my hands. On the other hand, it is certainly a bit less of a challenge and if you get your braking points right, and are not too eager with the throttle application upon corner exit, there is little challenge involved in driving it.
It is a very effective tool for quickly getting lots of money at the seasonals, does not stress out the user unduly and is certainly both fun and fast. But somehow I just feel a bit warmer towards its 2 doored predecessor 👍
It turns out the CTR Zero shares quite a bit of ancestry with the ITR but not all. It will understeer more than the ITR but less than the Focus or Scirocco, for instance. The rear end is tied down no matter what and the acceleration is certainly stronger than that of the Focus (with the rest there is not that much in it). I did not quite achieve the cornering speeds with the CTR that I could do in the ITR but overall it was a stable, well behaved FF.
As befits a car by Greycap, part throttle does not adjust the car's line all that much
I tried it at Trial Mountain and R246 (the two recent 500PP seasonals) and found it easy to win with it in both first time around. The times were a smidge off the ITR and definitely much more consistent than the Scirocco in my hands. On the other hand, it is certainly a bit less of a challenge and if you get your braking points right, and are not too eager with the throttle application upon corner exit, there is little challenge involved in driving it.
It is a very effective tool for quickly getting lots of money at the seasonals, does not stress out the user unduly and is certainly both fun and fast. But somehow I just feel a bit warmer towards its 2 doored predecessor 👍
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Speaking of gear ratios, can I ask you to double check the fifth gear on the CTR Zero? I cannot get it to your setting no matter what, while all the rest work... 👍
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Don't we all? The Integra is simply better, no doubt about that. As a matter of fact I tend to drive two white Integras in online races against a friend - a DC2 and a DC5.
The good old EK9 is actually a better handling car than the FD2, perhaps I'll eventually overcome my hatred towards it from the GT4 days and turn it into a scorching hot hatch.I don't even have to double check the Civic to see that there was a mistake on the setup, the fifth gear should be 1.000 as so often with my tunes.
Probably nothing else than that you have engine stages tunings carried out, GT5 (and GT4 did the same) varies the available gear ratios on some cars according to what engine modifications or turbo kits are applied. No idea why.
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