Manual-Only drivers post here

[Dave A]

The auto in GT4 is just the computer shifting for you, it's not like a real auto tranny. I always use manual when I'm using the wheel, if I'm using the pad I never do. Manual is far, far better, I just don't like using the back buttons on the pads for it.

 

[TeamQuick]

The auto in GT4 is just the computer shifting for you, it's not like a real auto tranny. I always use manual when I'm using the wheel, if I'm using the pad I never do. Manual is far, far better, I just don't like using the back buttons on the pads for it.

Thank you...Thats what I Just said...Almost like a echo.


I wish I had a Wheel, But the DS2 is all good, (Hell I could drive a car good with string controls lol)

It takes a few min to get used to buttons over a shifter, but you get the same feel (suprisingly)

 

[jamaican]

PS... when i have nothing to do... i practise 'heel and toe' when gearing down i can use my thumb to cover both brake and gas. so when coming into the corner i brake, and not more than a split second after i go one gear lower i tap the gas... kind of hard to explain, but it's comes out as a perfect 'heel and toe' for me. and yes, i know it's just a game, but i like the feeling

Unfortunatly the game wont let us "heel Toe" when downshifting. You would need to use the brake and tranny to slow the car at the same time (As your toe applyes the brake your heal revs up for a sec to let you slow the car with the transmittion by ballancing the clutch, BUT in the game when the brake and gas are hit at the same time only the brakes kick in the Gas revs up as if you have the clutch fully depressed (No way to ballance it with the aplication of the brakes) therefore only the brakes are slowing the car NOT the transmision. Unfortunatly we dont have a clutch in the game, that is required for heel toe downshifting.

If you brake not more than a split second & after go one gear lower then tap the gas... kind of hard, you dont have a clutch engaged so your basically hitting the throttle while its engaged (Doesnt help slow the car)

The game basically takes care of the clutch (Something I hope to have a option to controle in GT5) So If you let off the gas, hit the brakes, and while your braking you downshift, You rev up and the tranny actually helps to slow the car down (If you downshift at the corect times) Soo the game is pretty much heel toeing it for you.

i know it's not real heel and toe, i just like the feeling

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

[@1st pst]
Does anyyou peeps do what i do & purchase the triple clutch if at all possible ? It seems to lag less in the upshift and hang on a little in the downshift , has anyone else experienced quantifyable differences twixt these clutches ?

 

[TeamQuick]

[@1st pst]
Does anyyou peeps do what i do & purchase the triple clutch if at all possible ? It seems to lag less in the upshift and hang on a little in the downshift , has anyone else experienced quantifyable differences twixt these clutches ?

Ummmmm........lol

Yeah a tripple clutch is suposed to do that, thats what its for.

Too much power on a crappy clutch and she slips alot while engaging (The shifts take longer) Tripple plate grabs alot better (Shorter shifts)

Its kinda like saying "I buy a Big Turbo Because it makes more hp"

Most upgraded parts are improvements from the previous or stock parts. (A Sport Clutch is better then a Standard Clutch, a twin plate clutch is better then a sports clutch, and a Tripple clutch is better then a twin clutch.)

 

[socomplayer2]

i love manual i actually drove auto all through gt1-gt3 then in gt4 i just tried it and i tried to go back and i found myself unconciously shifting and when i play gtasa i try to shift and i never realize it

 

[-Cheezman-]

They shouldn't even have Automatic in GT4...

Manual is for people who know how to drive, not for people who want to know how to drive! LOL

I use it simply because it's easier to control through turns. You control the exact RPM and torque the engine is putting out for the turn, rather than a computer going to high or too low.

 

[ALFA GT]

I'm with Cheezman they shouldn't even have it on GT4. MANUALS RULE!!!

 

[rovens]

I think that for cars that atually have an autimatic then you should have to drive them as an automatic. But have and option for buying a new tranny and fitting a manual box.

 

[TeamQuick]

I think that for cars that atually have an autimatic then you should have to drive them as an automatic. But have and option for buying a new tranny and fitting a manual box.

for cars that atually have an autimatic then you should have to drive them as an automatic.

What????????????


But have and option for buying a new tranny and fitting a manual box


lol

 

[THE ED3]

i like that idea a lot. if you went to the used car lot and the car you wanted was an auto, you could buy a manual at a junk yard or something just like in real life. make the game more realistic.

btw i drive manual only.

 

[TeamQuick]

i like that idea a lot. if you went to the used car lot and the car you wanted was an auto, you could buy a manual at a junk yard or something just like in real life. make the game more realistic.

btw i drive manual only.

Im confused here...

#1 in the game the its in the option menue where you select Auto or Manual, so Soooo All Cars are Manual when you buy them. EVERY ONE, & Vise versa for Auto.

So if you go to the used lot ALL the cars will be Manual, even the one you want, so long as manual is selected, but even if so, you can transform it into a Auto, by selecting AT in the options menue, he he he

In real life most cars come with manual and auto as options (some Higher end sports car are only manual)

& when looking in the used lots in real life its easier to find the car you like in manual, because they are sold more (Simply because they are cheeper then automatics, Dealerships usually ask for $800 to $1000 More for a Auto.)When I was shopping for My car, I ended up buying new, but I test drove some used to shop arround, and all of them were manual.

#2 GT4 is a Driving simulator, Automatic, is not driving, its something invented so the average house wife could get groceries without f-ing up the transmition.

Auto Transimitons are a Joke at the race track (beleve it or not some do show up, for what reason I dont know, and you dont always find out till your waiting in line to race em), I eat 250hp cars with my 145hp 4 door like it was nothing.

This is a Driving simulator where you race the cars, there is No auto race cars I know of, the only reason its a option in the game is for mass apeal.

 

[TeamQuick]

GT4 is a Driving simulator, Automatic, is not driving, its something invented so the average house wife could get groceries without f-ing up the transmition.


Thats My Sig now

 

[THE ED3]

In real life most cars come with manual and auto as options

yeah and i'd like to see the used cars be either manual or auto. just forget the option under the menu and have the cars some with either stock. new cars would give you the opion of an auto or manual. i'd really love to see option lists for the cars in the game. it would be much more fun that way.

as a side note, what type of 4 door do you have? i love 4 doors.

 

[TeamQuick]

yeah and i'd like to see the used cars be either manual or auto. just forget the option under the menu and have the cars some with either stock. new cars would give you the opion of an auto or manual. i'd really love to see option lists for the cars in the game. it would be much more fun that way.

as a side note, what type of 4 door do you have? i love 4 doors.

Why? what would be the point?

GT4 is a Driving simulator, Automatic, is not driving, its something invented so the average house wife could get groceries without f-ing up the transmition.


lololololololol

Auto Sucks, plain and simple. I would write PD a letter personally telling them how much they pissed on the best racing series there is, if they ever were to do something as lame as put a forced auto on any car, used or not (If you buy a Auto and go to the race track your a idiot, You dont have enough controle of the car to manuver arround the track (Dont be folled even in the game there is NOT A SINGLE CAR with an auto transmition, EVEN if you select AT auto transmition. What? Whait... This guy is nuts! lolololol The AT option is simply the computer shifting the Manual transmition for you (It doesnt use the same priciples or function like a real auto) As autos have no buisness at a race track, they are something invented so the average house wife could get groceries without f-ing up the transmition. lolol

 

[TeamQuick]

 

[THE ED3]

i understand its not good to race with an auto and i drive stick both in game and out. what i'm saying is that it would make it more realistic to have some cars come with an auto. its just like how some cars have optional wheels and spoilers and such.

 

[TeamQuick]

i understand its not good to race with an auto and i drive stick both in game and out. what i'm saying is that it would make it more realistic to have some cars come with an auto. its just like how some cars have optional wheels and spoilers and such.

I get you Bud, dont get me wrong.

They have no buisness at the track, thats why they are none existant in the game.


It wouldnt be more realistic if they had used cars that came only in auto. It would SUCK!!!

It woulnt be more like real life at all. As there are No auto at the race track. How would it be more like real life if they would force a senerio that is non existant in reality.

Maybe a few auto's come to the $5 dollar a nigh no purse street car drag races, for fun expecting to loose, but there is NO RACING CIRCUIT IN THE WORLD WHERE AUTOS RACE. It would be LESS REALISTIC, for them to Force the situation.

There is No Auto in the game for a reason, Autos have NO BUISNESS AT A RACE TRACK, none what so ever, nothing at all, zip, ziltch, nada.

It would just SUCK

And PD would be expecting a letter from me, and I bet a buch of other let down GT fans.

GT4 is a Driving simulator, Automatic, is not driving, its something invented so the average house wife could get groceries without f-ing up the transmition.

 

[THE ED3]

i know its bad and theres no point in racing with it. i think causing a problem by having some autos would be good though. some cars its harder to find a manaul of. by putting autos in the game it creates a hurdle some might have to come over.

i just want to make the game more realistic. have junk yards you can get spare parts from. it would be great.

 

[TeamQuick]

i know its bad and theres no point in racing with it. i think causing a problem by having some autos would be good though.

What would be good about it? NOBODY Races with auto for good reason, what would be good about racong with a Auto?

Putting forced autos in the game would NOT be more realistic it would only do 2 things.

1. Waist space in the game for real cars.

2. create a list of cars to never get used by any real drivers (NO True drivers use auto, NOT ONE)

Generally waist space in the game where there is none to spare.

That right, WAIST SPACE WITH USELESS CARS NOT WORTH SPIT.

some cars its harder to find a manaul of. by putting autos in the game it creates a hurdle some might have to come over.

Like what??? Since the 80's (Probably before) They been selling more manual as its cheeper to purchase, so if there are more manuals out there then auto, and TONS of used cars out there, its easy to find the car you want in manual (Rare cars are exeptions as they are rare)

i just want to make the game more realistic. have junk yards you can get spare parts from. it would be great

This isnt Junk Yard Racer, thats not adding to the reality of the simulator, but clouding the simulation with Bullcrap.

 

[THE ED3]

your right autos are crap. i just want to make things more realistic. its hard to find certain hondas with manuals sometimes.

and junk yards are the real racers treasure trove.

 

[rovens]

for cars that atually have an autimatic then you should have to drive them as an automatic.

What????????????


But have and option for buying a new tranny and fitting a manual box


lol

I don't understand why you are mocking me? In real life some cars come with an automatic, maybe in the form of a paddle shift. All i said was that if you wanted to drive these cars in manual then you should have to pay for a conversion to a manual gearbox.

Lots of race cars where they dont need to clutch for shifts could be classed as manuals.

 

[TeamQuick]

I don't understand why you are mocking me? In real life some cars come with an automatic, maybe in the form of a paddle shift. All i said was that if you wanted to drive these cars in manual then you should have to pay for a conversion to a manual gearbox.

Lots of race cars where they dont need to clutch for shifts could be classed as manuals.

Sory if I came off rude.

But, from your statements it apears as if you never purchased a car before. Or have any Mechanical Experience. (I could be wrong, but this is how it apears)

Its not that "Some cars come with auto" Automatic transmitions are a factory OPTION. So when you buy a car you choose if you want it auto or not. You have to pay MORE to get a Auto.

And

"if you wanted to drive these cars in manual then you should have to pay for a conversion to a manual gearbox"


Well, people dont do tranny conversions to get there Honda beeter from auto to manual the cost of a New motor already coupled to a Manual is cheeper (Or most any car for that matter) The rare times where people will do a auto to manual tranny switch, are on SERIOUS projects, mostly Hot Rods, and things of that nature. Restoring Historic Motors not found too often (Old school Hemi's ) Mostly for Show Cars (Generally Not Raced) & because its alot of work for no pay off (It wont make it better then a Motor already coupled to a manual gear box) So starting off with one already is the usual route people go.

So the idea of this type of thing adding to the reality of the game is comical.


"Lots of race cars where they dont need to clutch for shifts could be classed as manuals"

I think you may have ment to say they could be considered Auto (from the nature of your coment).....The F1 Race cars ARE manuals. Weather you clutch or not (F1) its Still manual as your controling the gear shifting of the car. The clutch in this case is computer controled (Dont be confused with the cheep tectronic shifters that ARE NOT THE SAME THING)

Tectronic is basically a Automatic where you can force it shift up or down its still using Auto sycros to process the shifting. It IS NOT a Computer controled clutch while you manualy shift (Far from it for that matter) Ferraris, And some new high end BMW's have clutchless shifting, where the computer controls the clutch of the car, VERY complex. (BMW has some serious stuff, even implimenting computer initiated heal tow shifting) NONE of this has reached any car availible in the game.

 

[nismo4life]

In GT4 i ONLY race with a standard gearbox. Not only is it that much better for drifting, but its alot more fun, especially because i like starting off slow and downgearing and gunning it.
What i hate about the auto is say your car redlines at 7k, and your at 5,700rpm's, in 5th gear, i rather be able to downshift to 4th bounce the rev limiter and shift so i can accelerate quicker, even if its only tenths of a second. In real life sadly i dont have my license...don't ask why im 18 years old and dont have it, long story. Bottom line is i can and have driven both gearboxes and stick is MUCH more fun, but its confusing at first because you forget to clutch when you brake Luckily i dont suck at stick anymore but sadly the cars i want are only in auto .

 

[Razo]

Definately manual. I actually find it easier to control that way. I can throw the car into any corner with the best gear every time, and it also improves acceleration.

 

[Famine]

Sory if I came off rude.

But, from your statements it apears as if you never purchased a car before. Or have any Mechanical Experience. (I could be wrong, but this is how it apears)

Its not that "Some cars come with auto" Automatic transmitions are a factory OPTION. So when you buy a car you choose if you want it auto or not. You have to pay MORE to get a Auto.

What rovens is saying:

Some of the cars in the GT series only come with an automatic gearbox in the real world (some muscle cars, for instance). By being able to select "manual" in GT you are passing realism by - in reality you would not be able to control shift points, whereas in the game you can. For those cars you should be forced to drive them in automatic only, unless you specifically upgrade the transmission to manual. The same applies to cars which do not have an automatic gearbox on the options list (WRX, Skyline GT-Rs, that sort of thing) - in the real world you would not be able to leave shifting to the computer, whereas in the game you can.

 

[TeamQuick]

What rovens is saying:

Some of the cars in the GT series only come with an automatic gearbox in the real world (some muscle cars, for instance). By being able to select "manual" in GT you are passing realism by - in reality you would not be able to control shift points, whereas in the game you can. For those cars you should be forced to drive them in automatic only, unless you specifically upgrade the transmission to manual. The same applies to cars which do not have an automatic gearbox on the options list (WRX, Skyline GT-Rs, that sort of thing) - in the real world you would not be able to leave shifting to the computer, whereas in the game you can.

Id like some examples of the cars that dont have a manual option (THe Muscle cars you speak of in the game)

Thats enlightening, but needs further review (Any old car only availible in Auto would be rare there would be few, I wouldnt have a issue with them imputting a auto tranny for them. however to impliment this for 1 or 2 cars (Out of Classic or Historic lots) would be a great expense as they would have to create the physics of a automatic, something in left feild of manual. With no real benifits as ading a FCT would be a tranny swap, that money could be put to much better use, And in the Game having a Mint Modle T with 0 miles on it, basically states the historic cars we buy are as if we purchased them at the time they were sold, so for example a car that sold 2000 modles 1000 Auto 1000 manual, but all the manuals were wreaked between the date of release and now, so in reality there would only be auto availible for that car modle, its erelevant in the game. The reasosns behind this are the game type and the area where the developers focus priority, this nonsence not being high on the list.

Even Hot Rodding and Rebuilds are using more crate motors then anything nowerdays.

However on the other note " The same applies to cars which do not have an automatic gearbox on the options list (WRX, Skyline GT-Rs, that sort of thing) - in the real world you would not be able to leave shifting to the computer, whereas in the game you can."

There is no actual "Automatic" transmition in the game at all (Even selecting auto, just makes the game shift your manual tranny), it doesnt work like a Auto. So technically there is no automatic in the game, so this aspect doesnt apply.


The AT option (The game shifting your manual transmition for you) is the Same as The ASM option. Something put in for mass apeal.

 

[rovens]

What rovens is saying:

Some of the cars in the GT series only come with an automatic gearbox in the real world (some muscle cars, for instance). By being able to select "manual" in GT you are passing realism by - in reality you would not be able to control shift points, whereas in the game you can. For those cars you should be forced to drive them in automatic only, unless you specifically upgrade the transmission to manual. The same applies to cars which do not have an automatic gearbox on the options list (WRX, Skyline GT-Rs, that sort of thing) - in the real world you would not be able to leave shifting to the computer, whereas in the game you can.

Thats what i was saying.

Teamquick you are right with regards to the mechanical experience. Which is why i got my words completely f**cked up when trying to describe what i meant.

Though i am pretty sure that there is some cars where an auto isnt an option. Off the top of my head the CLS class Merc.

You clearly know more about the subject than i do though, gearboxes arent my favorite topic of discussion.

 

[TeamQuick]

Thats what i was saying.

Teamquick you are right with regards to the mechanical experience. Which is why i got my words completely f**cked up when trying to describe what i meant.

Though i am pretty sure that there is some cars where an auto isnt an option. Off the top of my head the CLS class Merc.

You clearly know more about the subject than i do though, gearboxes arent my favorite topic of discussion.

Id like some examples of the cars that dont have a manual option (THe Muscle Cars you speak of in the game)

Thats enlightening, but needs further review (Any old car only availible in Auto would be rare there would be few, I wouldnt have a issue with them imputting a auto tranny for them. however to impliment this for 1 or 2 cars (Out of Classic or Historic lots) would be a great expense as they would have to create the physics of a automatic, something in left feild of manual. With no real benifits as ading a FCT would be a tranny swap, that money could be put to much better use, And in the Game having a Mint Modle T with 0 miles on it, basically states the historic cars we buy are as if we purchased them at the time they were sold, so for example a car that sold 2000 modles 1000 Auto 1000 manual, but all the manuals were wreaked between the date of release and now, so in reality there would only be auto availible for that car modle, its erelevant in the game. The reasosns behind this are the game type and the area where the developers focus priority, this nonsence not being high on the list.

Even Hot Rodding and Rebuilds are using more crate motors then anything nowerdays.

However on the other note " The same applies to cars which do not have an automatic gearbox on the options list (WRX, Skyline GT-Rs, that sort of thing) - in the real world you would not be able to leave shifting to the computer, whereas in the game you can."

There is no actual "Automatic" transmition in the game at all (Even selecting auto, just makes the game shift your manual tranny), it doesnt work like a Auto. So technically there is no automatic in the game, so this aspect doesnt apply.


The AT option (The game shifting your manual transmition for you) is the Same as The ASM option. Something put in for mass apeal.

 

[rovens]

I didn't mention any muscle cars. Im from the UK, but dont a lot of American cars have a auto box instead of a stickshift.

Here is an example of a car with auto only options.

http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/con...rs/cls-class_coupe/technical_data/models.html

Can i just point out that im not trying to say that i know more than you, i have no mechanical experience. Im just trying to back up waht i meant earlier about auto only cars.