McLaren 720S - 720S Spider Revealed

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While I didn't care much for the car, I appreciated Koenigsegg at first because of the rise from nothing at such a young age. Now they're just like every other company that uses this practice.
I cut Koenigsegg some slack, like Pagani. The cars that are seeing these custom "one"-offs are the Ageras (like the Zondas), and the prices for the an Agera were already ridiculously expensive. The prices for these limited cars don't seem significantly higher in comparison, if & when they're even reported.

If it was something going on with the new Regera or Huayra (which is actually beginning to, so you may be on to something), I'd definitely agree.
 
While I didn't care much for the car, I appreciated Koenigsegg at first because of the rise from nothing at such a young age. Now they're just like every other company that uses this practice.
I don't really see a problem with it. Like if it works, and it isn't harming anyone, why not use it?
 
It's a business, I get that--perhaps I would be more accepting of the practice if the cars tickled me even the slightest bit, but they don't.
 
Where the heck do you get to say what people do and don't see. You're the crazy one at this point not the other way around. You know what the McLaren looks like? A Mclaren

No man, look how the canopy(coupe in sweden) flows out of the back of the car, it leaves the wheel arches/shoulders of the car bare so to say the same way Pagani zonda and Ferarri 488 and even alfa 4C but it is very very similar with the 488 in my opinion. And about the front of the 488, I thought that the car was in GT4 and was called Ascari or similar but
Audiman2011 posted the brand I thought of, I mean who cares about Ascari, it is no Noble if you ask me :P

But any way there is an older sport car with those 458/488 headlights that is not Ferrari, and to be honest a prestige/pristine manufacturer as Ferrari should not look at others, the other manufacturers should look at Ferrari :D

Like I said, when a car manufacturer releases a car that is basically the same underneath and takes a hefty premium over the model it actually is based of is just lazy manners. It is not hard to make a new chassis/monocoque frame or bodypanels with carbon fibre so please If you want my cash do something cool and and new. Only those that have to much money and really do not care about the cars/machines ie noobs that only want to flaunt their social standings buy those "panel trimmed" super cars. Lambo/koenigsegg could release an old C4 with a spaced out exterior and interior and still stupid wealthy people would flock like crazy to buy one.

Same thing can be said about Motorbikes. why should I want a naked bwms1000r or rsv4r, they will be street fighters in due time, when I crash them :P So lazy, soooooooooo much milking :P
 
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You again with the weird comparison.

Seriously, what the hell did you smoke ?

And no, no one would buy a C4 with spaced out exterior like what you claimed. That is ridiculous.
 
Like I said, when a car manufacturer releases a car that is basically the same underneath and takes a hefty premium over the model it actually is based of is just lazy manners. It is not hard to make a new chassis/monocoque frame or bodypanels with carbon fibre so please If you want my cash do something cool and and new. Only those that have to much money and really do not care about the cars/machines ie noobs that only want to flaunt their social standings buy those "panel trimmed" super cars. Lambo/koenigsegg could release an old C4 with a spaced out exterior and interior and still stupid wealthy people would flock like crazy to buy one.

Same thing can be said about Motorbikes. why should I want a naked bwms1000r or rsv4r, they will be street fighters in due time, when I crash them :P So lazy, soooooooooo much milking :P
So, why isn't it done more often in cheaper vehicles and not something almost completely unique to the 6-figure market?
 
Actually there are lots of super/hyper cars that are based on the "vette".
Not at all what I asked or what you originally said. If it is not hard to make a carbon fiber chassis/monocoque frame, why is it a build trait almost exclusively to supercars and not the every day vehicle?
 
No man, look how the canopy(coupe in sweden) flows out of the back of the car, it leaves the wheel arches/shoulders of the car bare so to say the same way Pagani zonda and Ferarri 488 and even alfa 4C but it is very very similar with the 488 in my opinion. And about the front of the 488, I thought that the car was in GT4 and was called Ascari or similar but
Audiman2011 posted the brand I thought of, I mean who cares about Ascari, it is no Noble if you ask me :P

It's the same design ideals that McLaren already had. The 488 is a brand new car, so your point is missed. Also the car you are thinking of is a Spirra not an Ascari.

But any way there is an older sport car with those 458/488 headlights that is not Ferrari, and to be honest a prestige/pristine manufacturer as Ferrari should not look at others, the other manufacturers should look at Ferrari :D

You have no clue if they did this, also designs shapes and sizes are a finite thing, how you manipulate them is infinite perhaps. Thus Ferrari may have similar shape or size head lights but they're not the same as the Spirra or any other similar car. It just means two designers had similar ideas not that one copied the other, which is quite a claim you're making with no proof.

Like I said, when a car manufacturer releases a car that is basically the same underneath and takes a hefty premium over the model it actually is based of is just lazy manners. It is not hard to make a new chassis/monocoque frame or bodypanels with carbon fibre so please If you want my cash do something cool and and new. Only those that have to much money and really do not care about the cars/machines ie noobs that only want to flaunt their social standings buy those "panel trimmed" super cars. Lambo/koenigsegg could release an old C4 with a spaced out exterior and interior and still stupid wealthy people would flock like crazy to buy one.

Same thing can be said about Motorbikes. why should I want a naked bwms1000r or rsv4r, they will be street fighters in due time, when I crash them :P So lazy, soooooooooo much milking :P

BWMS what the hell is that? BMW1000S RR you mean.

Anyways who does this exactly. Actually designing new chassis or monocoque is quite expensive and requires R&D and safety test done. So in reality them doing a new version based on already made stuff that works is quite fine. I mean it's something done for ages. What you get with a one of hyper car is an already extreme package and then one off features. Light weight aero, trim, more power, and even one off handling upgrades.
 
Not at all what I asked or what you originally said. If it is not hard to make a carbon fiber chassis/monocoque frame, why is it a build trait almost exclusively to supercars and not the every day vehicle?
Ah, I thought you asked about why there are not that many super cars that are based on cheaper cars.
Well it comes down to production time of a single car. Making a carbon fibre monocoque is easy enough for small companies to do, imagine what a big manufacturer would be able to do with its massive R&D budget and manpower.
 
Ah, I thought you asked about why there are not that many super cars that are based on cheaper cars.
Well it comes down to production time of a single car. Making a carbon fibre monocoque is easy enough for small companies to do, imagine what a big manufacturer would be able to do with its massive R&D budget and manpower.
Because it's not so much a matter of difficulty just building the chassis, but the cost to do so.

It likely is easy enough for a big manufacturer to build a basic carbon fiber monocoque and mass produce it, but the cost of the vehicle to the market would be financial suicide. That's where it is hard to make a new chassis with carbon fiber. Supercar manufacturers don't have this issue because their production runs are limited enough to force the market to buy immediately and support the expensive price tag needed to make a profit on the vehicle. The supercar market is the only market where it has become cheaper to buy it new than used in the first year.
 
Because it's not so much a matter of difficulty just building the chassis, but the cost to do so.

It likely is easy enough for a big manufacturer to build a basic carbon fiber monocoque and mass produce it, but the cost of the vehicle to the market would be financial suicide. That's where it is hard to make a new chassis with carbon fiber. Supercar manufacturers don't have this issue because their production runs are limited enough to force the market to buy immediately and support the expensive price tag needed to make a profit on the vehicle. The supercar market is the only market where it has become cheaper to buy it new than used in the first year.

So you just repeated what I said, ok :P Time=Money as we all know
 
So you just repeated what I said, ok :P Time=Money as we all know
You originally said, "It is not hard to make a new chassis/monocoque frame or bodypanels with carbon fibre".

Even asking you twice why isn't it done more often then if it's so easy, you failed to answer it. It is indeed hard, else it would be a lot more popular among manufacturers that don't require a 6-figure salary to afford their cars.
 
You originally said, "It is not hard to make a new chassis/monocoque frame or bodypanels with carbon fibre".

Even asking you twice why isn't it done more often then if it's so easy, you failed to answer it. It is indeed hard, else it would be a lot more popular among manufacturers that don't require a 6-figure salary to afford their cars.
Ok, I answered your questions from the start, even though it was not what I thought you asked for and then when you explained what you asked about I gave you the answer, -production time of a single car. What more could you want, hehe. And for your information many companies frequently test new ways of making/producing cars by small R&D teams that supercar manufacturers would kill for. But right now steel presses and welding is the fastest solution right now.
 
Ok, I answered your questions from the start, even though it was not what I thought you asked for and then when you explained what you asked about I gave you the answer, -production time of a single car. What more could you want, hehe. And for your information many companies frequently test new ways of making/producing cars by small R&D teams that supercar manufacturers would kill for. But right now steel presses and welding is the fastest solution right now.
Which would end up contradicting what you said about it being easy to build a new carbon fiber monocoque. As said, it isn't that easy to do so given time & resources needed to make it an efficient choice. We'd see a lot more everyday vehicles if carbon fiber was a more readily available material to build a chassis out of without the expensive price tag.

Lamborghini, for example, uses a carbon fiber tub for the Aventador that comes from a mold that has a limited life. Lamborghini at the time only ordered 8 of these molds and originally stated they could only get around 4,000 cars out of those 8 molds. As of earlier this year, they were already closing in on 3,700 units produced. With a face lift on the way, it's been questioned if Lamborghini has had to order a couple more molds or if they were willing to spend the money to begin R&D on a new supercar. The signs based on the Aventador spy shots point to Lamborghini ordering more molds because a V12 hypercar wrapped in carbon fiber & whatever else in this day and age is an incredibly expensive development.

As for R&D teams, I have a feeling big manufacturers are testing out more realistic production designs that likely don't include a carbon fiber chassis. Any company testing out such a kit probably has a car in mind they're ready build & offer to the 1%, no different than what Ferrari or Porsche does.
 
I just do not have energy to discuss with you. Easy is not the same as short manufacturing process. I do think that a steel sheet press for making a car body panels is way more expensive that a mold for a carbon fibre tube/monocoque. They need to be retooled too.

Then I could say that the sand molds/casts for a simple engine that I have bedside me is way more precious then the mold for a carbon fibre monocoque as it can be used only once :P

And I heard that Bmw has the biggest factory of all car manufactures just for carbon fibre stuff. There are a lot of normal looking cars that are experimental vehicles that are actually made in carbon fibre or produced in other exotic ways. More then 10 years ago a manufacturer that I know of made for example a normal looking sedan the same way hyper cars are produced now, imagine the R&D cost then. Why because they wanted to make a fully functional car in the same shape as their best selling car only lighter for less fuel consumption but as I understand then it was not that safe, not the point of the experiment anyway. This is the norm for any manufacturer regardless of if it is a manufacturer of small inexpensive cars or a manufacturer of hyper cars for the 1% as you said. I would not be surprised if they tried out 3d printing cars 10 years ago already and have moved on to test out something new now.
 
This guy spotted the P14 on the road.



According this person, it'll be revealed in March.

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Plenty of time for McLaren to introduce the MSO-LongTail-HyperSport-Carbon-#Lit-Final Edition of the current 650S Chassis. With a roadster version a little down the line. :P
The 650S had its last MSO a couple years ago. The 675LT however, recently debuted again under the High Sport name.
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So, I'm guessing the 570S is what's next to conjure up 10 new editions out of. :sly:
 
Damn that's not very nice at all, front reminds me of a GT86 or something (that doesn't sound right). Macca are really trying to knock out as many cars as possible aint they.
 
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