Meditations On Nürburgring 24h

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Since I got GTS in October of 2017, I've been focusing almost entirely on online racing. My goal was to eventually get a DR of A. I felt like that would satisfy my racing ego, especially since I am using a controller instead of a wheel. So when I finally achieved my goal, I was sort of able to relax and explore other aspects of the game without feeling I was wasting my time. Since then, my new "hobby" has been taking cars out on the Nürburgring 24h.

Normally, I tended to avoid the gargantuan and complicated Nürburgring 24h. Very few online races took place there, so I did not see it as the best use of my time. But since I've started taking cars out on it, I've been having more fun than ever playing GTS. I think this can be explained mostly by my change in mindset. When my focus was on online racing, it was all about competing and optimizing my performance. This meant driving the same cars on the same tracks over and over again which can get pretty monotonous. It also meant steeling my nerves for the online races: Worrying about having a competitive qualifying time; worrying about getting rammed in the first turn; worrying about making a tiny mistake on the last lap that ruins your entire race; it could get pretty stressful. But now my mind is more geared towards the driving experience itself, and that has allowed me to have A LOT of fun testing cars on the Nürburgring 24h.

One of my favorite things about this new hobby is testing out a wide range of cars. Instead of doing twenty or thirty laps a day in the same car, I now do about five laps a day in three or four different cars. My focus lately has been on street legal supercars in the N1000 to N400 range: La Ferrari, Vulcan, Huracan, 650S, F40, etc. This has been a welcome change of pace from driving Gr.3 and Gr. 4 race cars all the time. The thing I love most about driving these cars are their distinct personalities. Unlike highly tuned race cars that are BOP, you can really feel the differences between cars within classes and between classes. And because I'm not obsessing over optimizing my time, I can maximize my sense of immersion by driving from the cockpit view.

Another thing I love about driving around the Nürburgring 24h is the course itself. Most online races take place on relatively short tracks that contain a preponderance of smooth, symmetric turns and long straightaways with wide margins of error. But the Nürburgring 24h is a glorious mess of irregularities, jagged edges, and rapid changes in elevation that occur within an unforgivably narrow asphalt. In order to perform well on the Nürburgring 24h, you have to think on your toes.

All this has caused me to remember something about when I first started playing Gran Turismo as a kid. Games are meant to have fun. The increasingly competitive aspect of online gaming can obscure that truth at times. And this can show in how we discuss the game on social media and forums like this. Most of the time, the discussion is very critical and combative. Sometimes we need to just relax and remember that driving and racing is about enjoyment and shared interests. Regardless of how good you are at GTS, we all love cars in some way. I was hoping this thread could be used to have more relaxed discussions about driving and racing.

So to set the tone, I thought I would give my quick impressions of some of the cars I've been driving:

LaFerrari: This is the only N1000 car I own. And it is one of the most challenging cars to drive, in my experience. It feels like you could lose control of it at any moment, especially when it is accelerating aggressively through its fourth gear. I find myself feathering the throttle throughout most of the track just to keep the wheels from spinning/slipping too much. I also have to make sure not to turn the wheels too aggressively or sharply, since it is so responsive and powerful.

650S: My favorite car to drive around the track so far. What the 650S lacks in raw power, it makes up for in sheer control. I always feel like the car is under me and responding at a rate that is neither too fast nor too slow. With the 650S, I can jam on the accelerator without any worry that the car will come unglued as long as I maintain reasonable positioning relative to my acceleration. Tons of fun and surprisingly fast around the track.

I'll leave it at that for now, but I will add more thoughts on the cars I'm driving later.

Feel free to add your own casual views and thoughts on everything driving related. Just try to keep things relaxed.

Also, once I've thoroughly tested out the supercars, I'll make a list of which ones are the fastest around the track. Obviously, the list isn't authoritative or anything. The results vary depending on the driver. But I figure I'm a decent baseline. However, I probably won't be posting the times because that will tempt people to become critical which is something I'm trying to avoid. I think the list will have value because I always see people in my GTS Facebook group asking questions about which cars are the "best". The list will allow them to get an idea of where each car sits on the performance hierarchy. Maybe other members of that group could point them to this thread as a quick reference.
 
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So far, the battle for supercar supremacy is between McLaren and Ferrari, with Aston Martin and Lamborghini making a showing.

The McLaren F1 is currently on top with the 650S in a close second, so McLaren has a clear edge at this point. But I think there is significant room to improve on my Ferrari runs, so it's not decided yet. However, the McLaren F1 and 650S are both easier to drive than the bevy of Ferraris chasing them, so that should be a point in their favor. Basically, if the only way to beat the McLaren duo with one of the Ferraris is to grind it out, then that should be taken into consideration when judging which car is "better".
 
It's interesting I had the same goal and went to run random cars on Nurb since achieving DR A. And it doesn't get boring, ever. Got XJ13 in daily and it's wonderful to drive on Nurb on stock, no aids. When the game lunched I drove Genesis on Nurb 24 most of the time. I think it's still really underused car. It's not fast on straight, but it's very forgiving. You can do whatever you want with it. F40 on Nurb 24 is pure stress. That car has mind of it's own. And if you want to just laugh, drive Shelby Cobra on comfort tires.
 
I love driving around the nurb 24hr, I like it when the GP part is behind me, but I like starting the run with it.

I know what you mean. Leaving the GP section is sort of like entering a dark jungle.

What tires are you using? I might have a look in VR with them.

I am pretty sure I am using hard racing tires, but I have to double-check.

It's interesting I had the same goal and went to run random cars on Nurb since achieving DR A. And it doesn't get boring, ever. Got XJ13 in daily and it's wonderful to drive on Nurb on stock, no aids. When the game lunched I drove Genesis on Nurb 24 most of the time. I think it's still really underused car. It's not fast on straight, but it's very forgiving. You can do whatever you want with it. F40 on Nurb 24 is pure stress. That car has mind of it's own. And if you want to just laugh, drive Shelby Cobra on comfort tires.

I really enjoyed my run with the F40. For me, the LaFerrari was the most stressful. It generates insane amounts of horsepower (949 HP), so it feels like the wheels are always slipping or on the verge of slipping. The Vulcan had similar issues.

I got the genesis in daily workout prize today. I found the F40 was quite nice, but haven't driven on the ring with it yet. Cobra on comforts sounds like fun.

I will probably take out the Honda NSX next, and then give the Enzo and the Italia 458 another shot. I actually think the Enzo and the Italia have a better chance of beating my McLaren times than the LaFerrari just because they are so much easier to drive.
 
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my first experiences with the green hell was with the last version of gt i played... gt4, which didn't have the gp part of the circuit. once you get used to the gp part, it was kinda like coming back to an old friend. i ran the 911 rsr for the last challenge in campaign mode for the gold. i tried the audi r8 and the bmw m6. compared to the fairlady i ran in the 24h enduro on gt4, the rsr felt a bit like riding a roller coaster. i suspect that had more to do with the engine note than actual speed. it started off going from being a track i hated to a track i loved, once you get used to the rhythm. kinda wish they had a 10 lap race for the dailies.......
 
I just recently allocated my time to learning the nurb, I'm still nothing special on it (6:40's) circuit experience, but it's such a fun track to drive.
Drove a bunch of Nurb24h laps yesterday in a handful of cars, the 911 road car (n500) was my favorite - driving it on sport:soft was a little terrifying though.
 
I should also add to the OP that my experience with online racing has probably helped the enjoyment factor a lot. All that grinding has unquestionably made me a better driver, so when I take supercars out on the Nurb, I can actually rip around the track fairly well without constantly faltering. The fact that I consider it "low stress" probably pegs me as a huge GTS nerd... but aren't we all?

:cheers:
 
Yea, that sounds like it would be fun. I'm pretty sure I would get motion sickness though.
That's understandable. However, like it was mentioned in another thread, you have to take it a little bit at a time. It's like getting your sea legs if you'v never been on a boat. I'd suggest running 1 race per day in VR. Eventually the motion sickness will subside.
 
I hated the 650S around nordschleife. Couldn't get power down anywhere and even on those fast left handers before karrusel it was sliding all over the place. Felt like driving on ice. Horrible thing.
 
I hated the 650S around nordschleife. Couldn't get power down anywhere and even on those fast left handers before karrusel it was sliding all over the place. Felt like driving on ice. Horrible thing.
after seeing this thread i tried the same thing and had the same issues. all over the place. But what i noticed is that the 650S (more so than most MR cars i have tried) needs a constant force load on the wheels. What i mean is that i noticed that i slide around much more when the car was coasting and my stability increased dramatically when i was on the throttle or brakes. So by always being a smidge on the throttle (except under heavy braking) my stability improved and that "driving on ice" feel went away
 
after seeing this thread i tried the same thing and had the same issues. all over the place. But what i noticed is that the 650S (more so than most MR cars i have tried) needs a constant force load on the wheels. What i mean is that i noticed that i slide around much more when the car was coasting and my stability increased dramatically when i was on the throttle or brakes. So by always being a smidge on the throttle (except under heavy braking) my stability improved and that "driving on ice" feel went away

When I got to drive round Silverstone in an F430 (Would highly recommend the ferrari experience - best day of my life!) the instructor said when cornering ALWAYS have some throttle to balance the car. All to do with weight distribution!
 
I hated the 650S around nordschleife. Couldn't get power down anywhere and even on those fast left handers before karrusel it was sliding all over the place. Felt like driving on ice. Horrible thing.

I've noticed that when you make the transition between GR3 and GR4 racecars to supercars like the 650S, they can feel like they're super-slippery in comparison. But after some practice, you start to get used to them. Personally, I've found the 650S to be very driveable as far as cars in that range go. If I had to pick a car that was almost undriveable, it's the Honda NSX. If you turn too quickly even by a little bit, it will spin out.
 
Inspired by a Bathurst lobby i happened to wander into, I thought to try another vehicle that no one has mentioned. My experience has confirmed that all the other cars mentioned are poor candidates for the 24 hour ring. The best thing to be driving at Nurburgring is in fact.... the cart! :lol:
 
Inspired by a Bathurst lobby i happened to wander into, I thought to try another vehicle that no one has mentioned. My experience has confirmed that all the other cars mentioned are poor candidates for the 24 hour ring. The best thing to be driving at Nurburgring is in fact.... the cart! :lol:

That actually sounds kind of fun. I will have to try it out.
 
That actually sounds kind of fun. I will have to try it out.

Do it! It was a lot of fun. Not much braking, more just down shifting. The cart handles much like the F1 from GT4 did. I'd love to see the cart on the Nurburging 24h track show up in the daily races as a 10 lap race.
 
I fell in love with Nurburging 24h during Driving Mission 24 in GT4. It took me weeks to complete that mission (the U.S. version let you launch several seconds later than the European version, which made it really difficult to overtake all of the cars).

The track became part of my blood, and I still love driving it.
 
I'm back to my time trials at the Nurb. I'm doing Nord instead of 24H though. I took the Ferrari 330 and the Jaguar XJ 13 around the track a few times. SO fun to drive and surprisingly fast.
 
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