MH370: Malaysian Airlines Flight to Beijing carrying 239 people is lost over sea.

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How long did it take them to find the titanic?

We knew where abouts it sank, but even then we had to wait for tech to get to a point where we could find it.
 
TenEightyOne
As @Swagger897 says; we knew where the Titanic was.

Maybe we didn't know exactly but compared to the size of the area(s) where MH370 may ended its flight it was almost surgically precise.
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Brings up a point though quite late, but we know about the area that Amelia Earhart's plane crashed and yet it's never been recovered and officially Flight 19 has yet to be found as well though we knew where about it could be. So tech or not, some thing just never get found and sadly I feel this is one of those moments.
 
Former Proteus CEO Marc Dugain claims that flight MH370 has been shot down by the US Army out of fear for a 9/11 style of attack on army base Diego Garcia.


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So today MH370 has be legally declared as an 'accident', I guess that also means that the 239 people on-board are now legally dead which will allow compensation to be paid out.

Searching will be ongoing I guess it will wind down over time after this announcement, I think going purely on the satellite arc was slightly risky and it could be totally findable, just somewhere totally different.

BBC News
MH370: Malaysia declares flight disappearance an accident

The Malaysian government has officially declared the disappearance of Malaysian Airline flight MH370 an accident and says there were no survivors.

No trace of the Beijing-bound aircraft has been found since it disappeared on 8 March 2014.

Officials say that the recovery operation is ongoing but that the 239 people onboard are now presumed dead.

The plane's whereabouts are still unknown despite a massive international search in the southern Indian Ocean.

The declaration on Thursday should allow compensation payments to relatives of the victims.

'Deepest sorrow'
Malaysian officials added that the recovery of the missing aircraft remained a priority and that they had pursued "every credible lead".

Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) Director-General Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said that it was "with the heaviest heart and deepest sorrow that we officially declare Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 an accident.''

"All 239 of the passengers and crew onboard MH370 are presumed to have lost their lives," he said.

Following Thursday's announcement, China's foreign ministry called for compensation for the victims' families.

"We call on the Malaysian side to honour the promise made when they declared the flight to have been lost and earnestly fulfil their compensation responsibilities," spokeswoman Hua Chunying said in a statement.

The majority of the passengers on MH370 were Chinese.
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Dennisch
Exactly.

Expect a couple of posts of our resident conspiracy nuts confirming this idea!
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or not....

But as far as an 'accident' I think it's a tad bit late to call it that. If they were only holding of as you said for compensation then that's understandable...
 
Today is the one-year anniversary of the loss with, apparently, no-one any nearer to finding the truth.

Swagger897
But as far as an 'accident' I think it's a tad bit late to call it that.
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For insurance purposes a reason for the loss has to be declared, if nothing else. We're told that no security services have uncovered anything that would lead them to believe there was a plot against/on the flight.
 
prisonermonkeys
A report has found that the battery in MH370's black box recorder expired in 2012:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-08/mh370-report-says-black-box-locator-beacon-expired/6289462
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I haven't read the report yet but that's pretty astonishing.

In other possibly-related news the FAA has banned the air shipping of Li-On batteries as there's a strong belief that they constitute to dangerous a cargo.

MH370 was carrying a shipment of these batteries... but to my mind this is unlikely to be a causative factor. If the plane did indeed make its way to the points that investigators believe then it was in a much more airworthy condition than it would have been after a Li-On hold fire.
 
TenEightyOne
In other possibly-related news the FAA has banned the air shipping of Li-On batteries as there's a strong belief that they constitute to dangerous a cargo.
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I have not heard of any Li-ion batteries exploding, catching fire when they are packaged correctly have have a low charge.

Normally short circuiting, over heating and over charging causes Li-ion batteries to cause issues, normally it is Li-Po that cause the big issues
 
Grayfox
I have not heard of any Li-ion batteries exploding, catching fire when they are packaged correctly have have a low charge.

Normally short circuiting, over heating and over charging causes Li-ion batteries to cause issues, normally it is Li-Po that cause the big issues
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Unfortunately the FAA seem to disagree. Here's a list of incidents involving battery fires aboard planes, lithium-ion batteries feature quite heavily.

I misled earlier - I thought the PHMSA/FAA had banned the transportation when in fact the BBC story I linked pointed out that more and more major airlines are refusing to carry shipments of them.

In the article is a quote about the FAA test, I'm still trawling through the turgid FAA website to see if I can find the original docs.

BBC Article
Federal Aviation Administration tests found overheating batteries could cause major fires.

In its tests, the FAA filled a cargo container with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge heater, which was added to simulate a single battery overheating.

The heat from the cartridge triggered a chain reaction in other batteries, with temperatures reaching about 600C.

This was followed by an explosion, which blew open the container door and set the cargo box on fire.

A second test, some months later, produced similar results, despite the addition of a fire-suppression agent.
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Grayfox
I have not heard of any Li-ion batteries exploding, catching fire when they are packaged correctly have have a low charge.

Normally short circuiting, over heating and over charging causes Li-ion batteries to cause issues, normally it is Li-Po that cause the big issues
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Modern lithium-ion batteries have safety nets built in. Older polymer batteries didn't. Regardless, when things do go bad both types of battery show the same characteristics.

The real problem is that if one of these batteries were to catch fire its extremely difficult to put out. Halon works in part but it's been banned from production since 1994.

Basically the idea is that, yes, modern lithium batteries are super reliable, but when they do go bad - in an airplane of all places - you're ****ed.

Am I the only one who still thinks this plane was taken and hidden? There's not much in the way of transparent evidence that suggests otherwise.
 
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Grayfox
A towelette has been found on a WA beach that may have come from MH370
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh370-disappearance-towelette-that-washed-up-on-wa-beach-being-tested-for-connection-to-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane/story-fnizu68q-1227256227487
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Considering how many airlines flights there are all over the world it's likely that someone just dropped it. You find 'airline litter' everywhere in every location imaginable. However the fact it is unopened does put a different tangent on it.

A better course of action would be to make enquiries in the local area and find out if anyone dropped it because I doubt testing it will lead to any 370 identifiable attributes. I don't think these things have serial or batch numbers printed on them.

Also why has taken from July till now to be revealed, sounds like releasing new news on the anniversary as a PR stunt to me.
 
Robin.
Considering how many airlines flights there are all over the world it's likely that someone just dropped it. You find 'airline litter' everywhere in every location imaginable. However the fact it is unopened does put a different tangent on it.

A better course of action would be to make enquiries in the local area and find out if anyone dropped it because I doubt testing it will lead to any 370 identifiable attributes. I don't think these things have serial or batch numbers printed on them.

Also why has taken from July till now to be revealed, sounds like releasing new news on the anniversary as a PR stunt to me.
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Could be a stunt but it could have been drifting in the currents, if more come it could mean something.
 
A possible break in the case.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ssing-malaysia-airlines-flight_n_7003406.html

More than a year after the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 we are still no closer to knowing what became of the plane and the 239 souls on board.

As the so far fruitless underwater search continues off the coast of Australia, questions are being asked as to whether investigators dismissed critical information in the crucial first days after the Boeing 777 aircraft vanished.

Indeed in the immediate aftermath, it was reported that several Maldives islanders witnessed a “low-flying jumbo jet” on the day the aircraft disappeared, with some commenting on its distinctive red and blue livery - the colours of Malaysia Airlines.

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Residents on the tiny Indian Ocean island of Kuda Huvadhoo are adamant they saw the doomed plane (file picture)
 
Dotini
A possible break in the case.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ssing-malaysia-airlines-flight_n_7003406.html

More than a year after the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 we are still no closer to knowing what became of the plane and the 239 souls on board.

As the so far fruitless underwater search continues off the coast of Australia, questions are being asked as to whether investigators dismissed critical information in the crucial first days after the Boeing 777 aircraft vanished.

Indeed in the immediate aftermath, it was reported that several Maldives islanders witnessed a “low-flying jumbo jet” on the day the aircraft disappeared, with some commenting on its distinctive red and blue livery - the colours of Malaysia Airlines.

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Residents on the tiny Indian Ocean island of Kuda Huvadhoo are adamant they saw the doomed plane (file picture)
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What is the break in the case? That info has been known almost since the beginning it's nothing new.
 
Also there can be a lot of auto suggestion in situations like this, people want to believe they saw something to the point where it's totally true in their minds.
 
Johnnypenso
What is the break in the case? That info has been known almost since the beginning it's nothing new.
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Elsewhere I read this:

"As the search zone for MH-370 continues to yield no answers, an investigative reporter from the West Australian newspaper has interviewed people in The Maldives who at the time reported an off-course passenger airliner that passed low overhead and was then followed by a loud boom. The Maldives are a group of islands located on the Equator to the south of India. This aircraft was described as large, very noisy, and carried red and blue markings, and brought people out of their houses because the islanders say the only planes they ever see are small local seaplanes. At around this time, an array of sensitive underwater microphones off the west coast of Australia picked up a loud sound (not a bang, more like a groan) which triangulates to distant ocean NW of Australia and could be of geological origin, but could also be an aircraft crashing or an intact plane imploding at depth. The Maldives does have a defence radar station, so those who witnessed the aircraft pass overhead are puzzled by a press release from their Defence department denying any aircraft was in the air that morning. It is speculated to be a face-saving measure to cover-up operational deficiencies.

The reporter said that a flight path west of Indonesia was not inconsistent with the satellite data."
 
Dennisch
They keep on searching? Who is paying for all this?
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I'm pretty sure that we are. It was put out to competitive tender months ago. It's also being justified as an opportunity to survey a part of the ocean floor that we know next to nothing about.
 

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