CodeRedR51
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Miata sized Toyota Sports Car in development
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@I6sexus -- My first car was RWD. Personally, FWD will never be quite as fun as RWD because of the simple fact that one can power oversteer and the other can't. Even if it's a 100hp 4-cylinder like my 318i was, snow days and rainy days are a treat. A proper AWD like my 5MT Legacy offers its own perks and fun, too. As far as I'm concerned, FWD is fundamentally inferior to RWD or AWD, a concession to packaging, cost, efficiency, etc.
So perhaps you'll take it from me: you're wrong about the existence of great FWD sports coupes and the merits of the cars @SlipZtrEm posted. "Inferior" is not the same as "bad". Any lightweight and nimble car is fun to drive by virtue of being light. Any well-honed car with capable handling is fun to drive by virtue of its capable handling. FWD cars like the Integra Type R, Elan, and Fulvia embody those ideals and are more than competent enough to be celebrated.
I would opt for an S2000, Elise, or Stratos instead, but that's just my preference.
So perhaps you'll take it from me: you're wrong about the existence of great FWD sports coupes and the merits of the cars @SlipZtrEm posted. "Inferior" is not the same as "bad". Any lightweight and nimble car is fun to drive by virtue of being light. Any well-honed car with capable handling is fun to drive by virtue of its capable handling. FWD cars like the Integra Type R, Elan, and Fulvia embody those ideals and are more than competent enough to be celebrated.
I would opt for an S2000, Elise, or Stratos instead, but that's just my preference.
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- mustafur
I would assume most here would prefer RWD but to say FWD is plain rubbish is completely wrong, from my point of view i would prefer FWD over AWD, I've driven fast FWD cars with torque vectoring diffs and i have yet to drive AWD cars that felt as good as that, as they seem to make it all too easy.
I6sexus
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I'm sure its mostly that. I guess Porsche or Ferrari don't make em cause of their difficulty to drive not cause they are slow as hell. F1 fwd coming soon ehh lol, really would be hilarious.
Awd was built for gravel, they are very idiot proof for sure. But fwd will always be rubbish compared to a proper rwd car.
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- SpacedustDaddy
I'm just interested to find out what tyres
Anyway, I'm more interested as to what tyres Toyota will make standard on the lil sports car. Maybe, base Yaris rubber?
Dunno, I've seen a pretty trick red EG6 hand plenty proper RWD(and AWD) cars their walking papers, at Bathurst and Adelaide.
Anyway, I'm more interested as to what tyres Toyota will make standard on the lil sports car. Maybe, base Yaris rubber?
CodeRedR51
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Watch out, we have a comedian over here. Ferrari and Porsche don't use it because they make specialty cars worth way too much money and FWD doesn't make sense there.
That is strictly your opinion and in no way factual.
I was going to post this last night then changed my mind. But since you bring it up...
Let's not forget that the new Civic Type R is faster around the 'Ring than a BMW M4...
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- Clydeyellow
Yeah, the Lancia Fulvia HF sucks soooooo bad. That's why it put 911s, 240Zs and A110s behind at the 1972 Rallye Monte Carlo, a year in which Lancia utterly dominated the IMC. Hey, I have an idea, why don't we strap you in the seat of one? It's a super slow car, so you'd surely manage to drive it wide open down the Col de Turini...
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- Neomone
Don't be ridiculous. All other things being equal, a RWD is probably a better drivers car than a FWD. But all other things are never equal, and below a couple hundred horsepower the benefits of RWD are minor at best. A well designed FWD can be a great sports car, and can offer a driving experience that the RWD cannot.
People can have their preferences, but saying that FWD is always rubbish is a straight up lie. Stop trolling.
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No you can't. Not legally. And not in any way approaching the on track limits of said car.
Look, I guess I don't have the ability, having been doing this:
...for only the better part of a decade, over, at last count, around 500 or so cars. But before I went mainstream, I was a terrible hoonigan, and I've driven high performance and not-so-high performance cars in some truly wretched conditions at some truly wretched speeds.
Yes, you can have fun with a high horsepower car. No, you will never really approach its limits on the street, not without criminally suicidal intent. And not to the same extent you can approach the limits of a much less well-endowed car.
A low-powered front driver, however, you can enjoy any which way you want. Maybe not as much as a low-powered rear driver like the Miata, but the same can be said for many, many high-powered rear drivers vis-a-vis the Miata.
Not all of them are entirely one dimensional. Cars like the Mazda2, the Mini Cooper S (once you've stuck some good camber bolts on) and the Golf make for much more entertainment down the road than you'd expect.
If you give them a chance.
If you don't, meh, your loss.
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Or maybe it's just me that's weird. I mean, I thought the 35 hp Suzuki Super Carry was a riot when we drove it.
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Maybe because it was rear wheel drive.
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The S-FR II concept picture is growing on me. I would definitely consider this if Toyota goes through with production. Considering that I have been scouring the market for Miatas and Mr2s recently. I would really love to see a true lightweight contender to the new Miatas and then the comparison that follows.
As for this High power RWD Sports Car versus a FWD car, I feel each has its place in the auto world whether economy driven or performance driven. I'll also say this, I would much rather have a 'FWD Track Car' then a high horsepower 'RWD Sports Car'. The end of the day is I would not give too much care for a track car and I would abuse the cap out of it, versus having a nice RWD Sports car. The end of the day, the amount of maintenance money you would have to throw at the RWD car to keep it health especially if you track it could go into many other things then just upkeep such as Track Days, HPDE, Autocross, Race Series if you have a license, Performance parts, etc.
I unfortunately don't have unlimited funds to be able to enjoy a really nice car. I made a decision and my wife backed me up with it when I decided to do away with a daily driver in order to have a track car. This actually brought me to this thread because I have been looking at Miatas and would love to have another car besides the Toyobura and S2000 to look at.
Now being in the market like I said, I was looking at Miatas along with MR2s (the first and third Gen ones). I am weighing the options compared to purchasing the new Miata versus finding a used one. I would really consider this new concept if Toyota comes through with this.
As for this High power RWD Sports Car versus a FWD car, I feel each has its place in the auto world whether economy driven or performance driven. I'll also say this, I would much rather have a 'FWD Track Car' then a high horsepower 'RWD Sports Car'. The end of the day is I would not give too much care for a track car and I would abuse the cap out of it, versus having a nice RWD Sports car. The end of the day, the amount of maintenance money you would have to throw at the RWD car to keep it health especially if you track it could go into many other things then just upkeep such as Track Days, HPDE, Autocross, Race Series if you have a license, Performance parts, etc.
I unfortunately don't have unlimited funds to be able to enjoy a really nice car. I made a decision and my wife backed me up with it when I decided to do away with a daily driver in order to have a track car. This actually brought me to this thread because I have been looking at Miatas and would love to have another car besides the Toyobura and S2000 to look at.
Now being in the market like I said, I was looking at Miatas along with MR2s (the first and third Gen ones). I am weighing the options compared to purchasing the new Miata versus finding a used one. I would really consider this new concept if Toyota comes through with this.
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That concept looks painfully similar to the Sports 800. That's great, the world needs to remember that little car 
It's nice to see the 86 catapult Toyota into making exciting cars again, not gonna lie I got worried when the MR2, the Celica and the Supra all died off and all we got were a bunch of hybrids.
It's nice to see the 86 catapult Toyota into making exciting cars again, not gonna lie I got worried when the MR2, the Celica and the Supra all died off and all we got were a bunch of hybrids.
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I6sexus
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to much much rwd power boo hoo hoo, 120hp fwd will be so much more fun lmfao.
Why write bs, fwd sucks compared to rwd.
But hey maybe F1 will go fwd cause it so great lol.
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Remember when we were talking about a Miata sized Toyota?
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Totally reflects the age, amirite?
Remember when we were talking about a Miata sized Toyota?
I mean, we were....
Silver Arrows
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Enjoy the speeding tickets, then.
350hp does nothing more on roads slated for 65mph limits, suburban cruises, downtown gear-grinding, laser-pointing peace officers, and our ever-increasing traffic situation.
Yeah, there's some uphill moments when having some serious power helps, but that just gets me faster to the loading deck of another lumber truck, tanker, or freight hauler.
Perhaps you have your own private racetrack or abandoned airport where such earthly concerns do not exist.
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I find people with this kind of attitude usually do indeed have the "skills and balls" to push a powerful rwd car... right into a tree, lamp post or guard rail. Hence why the insurance on said high powered rwd cars is so high.
You seem like an insanely overly-confident driver, which to me has always been the scariest kind.
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Although I don't drive a track car with massive amounts of horsepower, I would really like to see your "true sports car" compete against my endurance track car over an 8 hour race on track.
Yeah you'll kill me on the straights, yeah your lap times will be faster, but by the end of the race my little underpowered endurance car will put up more laps with less problems.
The difference is not a lack of 'kills' which I am pretty sure you meant "skills". The difference is the fact a tiny little hairdresser car was built to endure, versus having out right speed because we all know you need mad skills to drive high horsepower RWD cars.
I am not bashing your view, I am just trying to open your eyes to different avenues we all like to race. To add onto it, why don't we see you racing on circuits with High Horsepower RWD cars? You speak extremely high about your 'kills', where are you on professional races then?
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- Neomone
Yes. Generally when we're driving on public roads we try to avoid kills. I'm not sure that bragging that you have the kills from pushing a powerful car is really that bright.
Honestly, on any road that isn't dead straight I can keep up with just about anything in my MX5. The general amusing game in Australia being when over-testicled fellows like yourself think that they can blow my doors off in their V8 Monaro or whatever. They can on a straight, and then they'll find a little white flea right up their chuff at the next set of corners.
If you need more power than an MX5 or a Civic to reach maximum safe speed on a public road, your skills aren't worth bragging about.
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If anything, I feel like this guy is the kind of guy to pick races against weaker cars on straight roads so he can feel good about himself.
I have a BRZ, which is nowhere near as powerful as his 4 series or his A80, but it probably is about as engaging to drive.
I used to have a Civic Si, which itself is a FWD car, is pretty damn quick for something, FWD and just shy north of 200 HP.
As others above have said, you really don't need an extreme amount of power to get around the highway roads, or, any roads in general that aren't a track.
I have a BRZ, which is nowhere near as powerful as his 4 series or his A80, but it probably is about as engaging to drive.
I used to have a Civic Si, which itself is a FWD car, is pretty damn quick for something, FWD and just shy north of 200 HP.
As others above have said, you really don't need an extreme amount of power to get around the highway roads, or, any roads in general that aren't a track.
