[Mod] Gran Turismo 2 plus (bug fixes, restored content and new content) - beta 7 released

[George Cross]

Does the mod compatible to use save games (whether downloaded or vice versa) from the vanilla version of GT2 . I tried loading using my old save unfortunately I found a bug in which the garage cars behave differently (i.e stats got altered, performed slowly, and something, can't move an inch) . Is there a possible fix to that ?

 

[SilentPL]

From the FAQ:

• Can I use my normal GT2 savegame? No, the patched game is not compatible with savegames from the base game, older GT2+ versions, or other patches, due to the added and updated content.

 

[George Cross]

From the FAQ:

• Can I use my normal GT2 savegame? No, the patched game is not compatible with savegames from the base game, older GT2+ versions, or other patches, due to the added and updated content.

So meaning I have to start over from scratch, right ?

 

[submaniac93]

or use a buy any car to buy all your cars back, yes.
Car stats changing is a byproduct of the additional and removed cars that come with the mod. It's inevitable currently.
You should keep a copy of a clean save with no cars but completed licenses if you wish to skip them. Or use pez's starter save to skip them but still have the ability to get the license bonus cars.

 

[George Cross]

Or use pez's starter save to skip them but still have the ability to get the license bonus cars.

Hmmmmmm interesting note can you provide a link to that please .

 

[pez2k]

Hmmmmmm interesting note can you provide a link to that please .

It's in the first post of this thread, under the FAQ that Silent quoted.

 

[George Cross]

Spoiler: Download link - Demo save

Demo savegame containing a lot of the new, updated and fixed content (all regions)

I believed this is the one, right ?

 

[SuperFrizzio]

Yeah, that one

 

[Dak0ta]

is there any patching tutorial?

 

[pez2k]

Spent some time recently trying out adeyblue's GMCreator menu tool, so I tidied up the Acura dealership:

While I was in there, I took the time to sort out the NSXes too. It turns out that the '1991' and '1997' models are actually just an automatic 1997 and manual 1997, with the small mistake that the automatic still has the 6-speed manual. I deliberated for a while on whether to change the menus to read '97 for both or whether to properly convert the car to 1991 spec, but ultimately I decided to convert it, to make it more distinct.

As well as the correct 4-speed automatic, it's now got narrower tyres, smaller, 5-spoke wheels, and a different set of colours. I also switched both cars from Japanese tail lights to the all-red Acura version while I was at it.

Instead of keeping the same racing modification as the 1997 car, I grabbed the Acura version of the Honda NSX '90 RM from the unused files in the initial Japanese release of the game, and updated it with US tail lights to match.

Finally, I merged the black colour from the NSX Type S Zero RM into the otherwise similar Acura 1997 RM, and gave that US lights too.

As you can probably guess from the dealership above, I'll most likely be removing the fictional Acura versions of the NSX-R, Type S, and Type S Zero. Players can buy the original Honda versions in GT2+, so there's no need to duplicate them into the Acura dealership for US players any more. Removing them also frees up a tiny bit of space for car parts, which was going to become a pressing issue for the next version.

I've started on some other menu changes too, which I'll show off when they're more complete.

is there any patching tutorial?

As mentioned in the readme file, it's just an xdelta patch to apply - there are lots of universal xdelta tools out there with their own tutorials on how to use them.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Oh nice @pez2k, I'm impressed with the changes. There were things I always wanted to see happen with a GT2 mod, editing the dealership menus to accommodate new car models or alter existing ones.

The only other change I would've made is keeping the Type S and just changing that into the Zanardi Edition:

 

[pez2k]

The only other change I would've made is keeping the Type S and just changing that into the Zanardi Edition

The problem is, there are about a hundred cars I could kit-bash from what's already in the game, but none of them were ever intended to be in the game so restoring cut cars takes precedence, and easily uses up all available space. Faced with the choice between creating a new Zanardi edition out of the fictional Type S or just deleting it in favour of finishing off a unique cut car that was once planned but never actually came back in any later GT games, the latter is more interesting and sticks more closely to what Polyphony intended to include at one point or another.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

The problem is, there are about a hundred cars I could kit-bash from what's already in the game, but none of them were ever intended to be in the game so restoring cut cars takes precedence, and easily uses up all available space. Faced with the choice between creating a new Zanardi edition out of the fictional Type S or just deleting it in favour of finishing off a unique cut car that was once planned but never actually came back in any later GT games, the latter is more interesting and sticks more closely to what Polyphony intended to include at one point or another.

Yes, I'm aware of the limit of cars you can only add and thus have to make choices on what to add. So, I understand your mindset on your mod and you're of course free to do what you want with it at the end of the day.

With that said, I still don't agree with the choice.

 

[Epic B]

With the nonexistent Acura NSX variants being removed, what else do you plan to add in?

The problem is, there are about a hundred cars I could kit-bash from what's already in the game, but none of them were ever intended to be in the game so restoring cut cars takes precedence, and easily uses up all available space. Faced with the choice between creating a new Zanardi edition out of the fictional Type S or just deleting it in favour of finishing off a unique cut car that was once planned but never actually came back in any later GT games, the latter is more interesting and sticks more closely to what Polyphony intended to include at one point or another.

Given that, any chances of an "overcomplete" edition that's too big to work on native hardware? Or do you still want something that could actually fit on an actual CD? That said I don't really expect anything out of Plus outside of what was already hidden in official builds to begin with.

 

[Dave A]

With the nonexistent Acura NSX variants being removed, what else do you plan to add in?


Given that, any chances of an "overcomplete" edition that's too big to work on native hardware? Or do you still want something that could actually fit on an actual CD? That said I don't really expect anything out of Plus outside of what was already hidden in official builds to begin with.

Disc space isn't the big issue, it's the limits of the game engine itself, it can only handle a finite number of cars, parts etc. You can maximise those easilly without exceeding the size of a cd. It's doubtful anyone will ever manage to overcome those limits, but if they did it would open more possibilities.

At the moment putting too many new cars in requires removing existing cars for that reason, not a lack of space on a cd.

 

[submaniac93]

Exactly as Dave explained.

The "overcomplete" edition would be using Silent's GT2 combined patch/mod on top
Def the best way to play GT2 nowadays.

 

[pez2k]

With that said, I still don't agree with the choice.

All of the source files for the mod are available for anyone who wants to put the Type S back in for personal use and delete other cars instead. I can't please everyone, so all I can be is consistent for this particular project, and prioritise content made by Polyphony over content made by fans.

With the nonexistent Acura NSX variants being removed, what else do you plan to add in?

It's more or less just making room for what I already had planned. I'd planned around the body limit, but as of beta 6 the limit on the number of parts became a pressing issue, hence removing some of the upgrade options from the Arcade rally cars. I'd sketched things out, and even being very conservative beta 7 would be at or over the limit, leaving no room for any bugfixes to the existing content that might be needed (which is of course the main objective of the mod).

In theory there might be a way to do a non-Playstation-compatible hack which relocates and expands the restrictive areas of memory into space that a real retail console doesn't have, but that's far, far outside of my skill set and ultimately this is an update for a PS1 game, not a spinoff or remake for other platforms. If it couldn't have been done by the end of 1999, it's outside of the scope.

 

[Dak0ta]

Exactly as Dave explained.

The "overcomplete" edition would be using Silent's GT2 combined patch/mod on top
Def the best way to play GT2 nowadays.

sorry, what you mean by overcomplete edition?

 

[MMRivit]

sorry, what you mean by overcomplete edition?

A version that is too big to fit on a CD, thus being unable to run on unmodded native/retail hardware. Silent's combined disc patch merges Arcade and GT Mode, resulting in such an "overcomplete edition" if the user opts to include FMVs.

 

[Dak0ta]

A version that is too big to fit on a CD, thus being unable to run on unmodded native/retail hardware. Silent's combined disc patch merges Arcade and GT Mode, resulting in such an "overcomplete edition" if the user opts to include FMVs.

so its just arcade + gt?

 

[submaniac93]

The mod lets you combine the entire game into one disc, but still gives you the option not to include the videos, as those are what make it go over the CD-rom limit.
Otherwise the entire game does fit. With FMVs, the game's 900mb.

 

[Dak0ta]

The mod lets you combine the entire game into one disc, but still gives you the option not to include the videos, as those are what make it go over the CD-rom limit.
Otherwise the entire game does fit. With FMVs, the game's 900mb.

thank you

 

[pez2k]

To go with the rework of the Acura dealership, I've now expanded the Honda dealership in the US version back to the same level as the JP and PAL versions, with the Integras and NSXes now purchasable.

This means that I can get rid of the hack that put them in the Special section, now that it can be done properly. I've also switched the main dealership background from the S2000 to the NSX in order to match the other regions, and because it's a bit more colourful. It's also another step towards making all three regions identical in terms of content, with the final step coming next...

 

[SilentPL]

In other news, we've recently been looking into the Event Generator and figured out an issue causing it to pick the 2-player version of Autumn Ring. Turns out it was just a typo in the Apricot Hill's course name, so every time the game wanted to pick that, it fell back to 2p AR. On top of that, we've also added Autumn Ring Mini to the mix, so now Event Generator and One-Make Races can take place there:



I know pez2k has already integrated the former fix, and I expect the latter to make it to the next GT2+ version too.

 

[pez2k]

Yep, the typo fix will be part of GT2+ Light, so that Apricot Hill finally shows up in the random selection, and I'm thinking about whether to add Autumn Ring Mini to the selection for Complete - it was clearly deliberately removed by PD, and I'm curious why.

In other news, I've been sorting out the classic cases of generic names being used in GT2 because of trademark issues.

First up is the 'Plymouth Muscle Car', with its real name originally being licensed from Warner Bros. I've made an appropriate logo for it too, based on a photo of the real badging, to match the style of the Cuda and GTX.

Next is the 'Dodge Concept Car', renamed after a clash with the name of a custom Ford. The logo for this one comes from an early demo of GT1, before the original complaint was raised.

Finally, the 'Jaguar XJR XJR Vehicle' has also had its dealership entry pared back, and the logo trimmed to match. Apparently this one was caused by a conflict with the Yamaha XJR bikes in Japan.

 

[gamerxt3]

Could Motor Sports Land also be added then maybe ? Also I read there`s unused reverse versions of the dirt tracks, would it be possible to add reverse versions of the others though ?

More variations would be nice if possible, especially with the amount of cars there are. I also wonder why PD never added the Special Route track from GT1, since most if not all the others where.

 

[karelpipa]

I think we should make Autumn Ring Mini available if the AI can race it properly.
Motor Sports land would be a fun addition, but the race would not be a proper race i guess. I think theres only 1 grid spot? Maybe on arcade disc just for the fun?

XJR XJR Vehicle always bothered me and Copperhead logo is awesome.

 

[MMRivit]

Could Motor Sports Land also be added then maybe ? Also I read there`s unused reverse versions of the dirt tracks, would it be possible to add reverse versions of the others though ?

As mentioned above, MS Land was never intended to be used for actual racing against the A.I. and only has one grid spot - spawning more cars means they all appear inside each other at the start. and has issues with its grid spots being so close to each other, resulting in cars overlapping each other at start if they're big enough.

As for unused reverse tracks, there are Test Course, Super Speedway, Laguna Seca and Smokey Mountain South. This last one isn't meant for actual racing (like the other dirt tracks) and the other three suffer from issues like broken A.I. pathing (e.g. being unable to overtake each other) and non-functional pit lanes, being abandoned at development 3 to 5 weeks before the rest was finished.

I also wonder why PD never added the Special Route track from GT1, since most if not all the others where.

SSR11 was the only track dropped from GT1, and nobody (outside PD at the time) knows why.

 

[gamerxt3]

As mentioned above, MS Land was never intended to be used for actual racing and only has one grid spot - spawning more cars means they all appear inside each other at the start.

As for unused reverse tracks, there are Test Course, Super Speedway, Laguna Seca and Smokey Mountain South. This last one isn't meant for actual racing (like the other dirt tracks) and the other three suffer from issues like broken A.I. pathing (e.g. being unable to overtake each other) and non-functional pit lanes, being abandoned at development 3 to 5 weeks before the rest was finished.


SSR11 was the only track dropped from GT1, and nobody (outside PD at the time) knows why.

I don`t think I selected Motor Land previously, that`s probably why I thought it was similar to the mini ring track. And there`s already reverse tracks in GT2 ? Was a while since I played the original, that`s why I wasnt sure.

Seems I was reading about 2player versions of unused tracks regardless, I guess that explains it then...😐

Yes it does look fun to race at, although reading about the other upgrades to GT2 with GT2+, is great for sure.

 

[MMRivit]

I don`t think I selected Motor Land previously, that`s probably why I thought it was similar to the mini ring track.

Just a small correction on my part: it actually does have six grid spots. The issue is that they're so close to each other that racing anything bigger than kei cars will result in cars overlapping each other at start.

And there`s already reverse tracks in GT2 ? Was a while since I played the original, that`s why I wasnt sure.

There are, they're normally seen in Arcade Mode (single player only) and Event Generator/manufacturer races. The ones I mentioned are the ones not available by normal means.

Seems I was reading about 2player versions of unused tracks regardless, I guess that explains it then...😐

Yeah, I don't think there are any unused 2P versions of tracks in the game data. There is a second, earlier version of Laguna Seca, but that's unrelated to the used 2P version.