More powerful Murcielago and Gallardo confirmed

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MrktMkr1986
or at least in the hands of a German company... :scared:
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You didn't just say that, did you?! :scared:
Don't jinx (one of) the best carmaker in the planet... :D

MrktMkr1986
Maybe if I put the Turbo Coupe's engine into a F430, then we would have the ultimate sports car! :D
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Ehm... Cough cough... I am choking :yuck:
Why would you want to put the Coupe' engine and replace the F430 engine that carries these specs: :D

4.3 Liter V8
490 HP @ 8500 RPM
343 lb-ft @ 5250 RPM

and allows the F430 to these specs: :D

0 - 62 MPH: 4 seconds
Top Speed: 196 MPH

I don't get it? ;) :sly:

The Wizard.
 
Excuse me for double-posting... but I wanted to make something clear:

I don't have anything against Germany (or any other country), per se. In fact I love Porsche's, BMW's, Audi's and Volkswagen's and I have always had. I just wouldn't like one of the most prestigious symbols of Italy to be sold to them (or any other country). Ferrari is a National Emblem for Italy, and I would like (as an Italian, if it isn't clear to everybody yet ;)) for it to stay that way. I am sure Germans wouldn't be too happy about it either, if Porsche was owned by Italy (or by any other country that's not Germany). So, no hard feelings to the German community of GTPlanet - I am not racist, I just want to keep my cars... well, mine. ;) :D

The Wizard.
 
For me, its not about performance. As long as it is turbocharged... I'm happy. I'd rather have less power and a turbo, than more power from a normally-aspirated engine. :ill:

Didn't mean the jinx the company. :ill: I'm sure it's not going to happen anyway. :)

And to get somewhat back on topic, why won't Lamborghini ever come out with a turbocharged/supercharged car?! :mad:
I don't want a 6.5-liter V12. I'd much rather have a twin-turbo 4.2-liter V8! Just take the engine from an Audi A8, glue on two turbos, and that's it! Perfect sports car. :sly:

EDIT: Take a look at Fiat's balance sheet. They're loaded with cash! Why wouldn't you want Ferrari to be owned by a company in sound fiscal condition?! :sly:
Despite the fact that you hate their cars... :sly:
 
I was only joking about the jinx part ;) Don't take me too seriously, I am not a mean grumpy old man, even if sometimes I give that impression :D

I like turbos as well, but sometimes naturally aspirated is better, it just provides you with a different feeling/sound. It's easy to make a little engine produce humongous amounts of power by throwing a few compressors here and there. Not so easy to take a little naturally aspirated engine and tweak it, make it light, do plenty of handwork and craftsmanship on it, to make it have huge horsepower... You see? I know you were talking about a 6.5 liter V12 against a 4.2 liter V8. But say you had an engine that outputs a certain number of horsepower and it's turbocharged and you had an engine that has the same exact displacement and number of cylinders, it outputs the same amount of power, and it's naturally aspirated, this should be index of the fact that the latter is more efficient/better made, because it has the same specs as the other one but doesn't need turbines/compressors to do it.

Nothing against turbos, they kick @ss as well and I wouldn't mind having one... 👍 But just the turbo factor itself is not always enough to make an engine better than another. Naturally aspirated engines can kick @ss too, and we all have proofs of it - namely Lamborghini and Ferrari (to stick with this topic) :D

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MrktMkr1986
EDIT: Take a look at Fiat's balance sheet. They're loaded with cash! Why wouldn't you want Ferrari to be owned by a company in sound fiscal condition?! :sly:
Despite the fact that you hate their cars... :sly:
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It's okay for Fiat and Ferrari to be part of each other (namely the second one being part of the first one) - I was joking about that one as well ;) I just don't like associating the two names... You know? I don't really hate Fiat's, I would just own a Ferrari rather than a Fiat anytime (who wouldn't? Except for, maybe, you :D :sly: j/k here too... not about me owning a Ferrari over a Fiat, though - no joke there)

The Wizard.
 
Because a turbo means in order to get your power you have some lag first (twin turbos solve this usually). And so a N/A or supercharged engine is usually much better, especially when trying to fill 10/12 cylinders with air.

Also N/A keep with tradition and keep the driving experience raw.

IMO Superchargers>Turbo.
 
TheWizard
I was only joking about the jinx part ;) Don't take me too seriously, I am not a mean grumpy old man, even if sometimes I give that impression :D

I like turbos as well, but sometimes naturally aspirated is better, it just provides you with a different feeling/sound. It's easy to make a little engine produce humongous amounts of power by throwing a few compressors here and there. Not so easy to take a little naturally aspirated engine and tweak it, make it light, do plenty of handwork and craftsmanship on it, to make it have huge horsepower... You see? I know you were talking about a 6.5 liter V12 against a 4.2 liter V8. But say you had an engine that outputs a certain number of horsepower and it's turbocharged and you had an engine that has the same exact displacement and number of cylinders, it outputs the same amount of power, and it's naturally aspirated, this should be index of the fact that the latter is more efficient/better made, because it has the same specs as the other one but doesn't need turbines/compressors to do it.

Nothing against turbos, they kick @ss as well and I wouldn't mind having one... 👍 But just the turbo factor itself is not always enough to make an engine better than another. Naturally aspirated engines can kick @ss too, and we all have proofs of it - namely Lamborghini and Ferrari (to stick with this topic) :D

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It's okay for Fiat and Ferrari to be part of each other (namely the second one being part of the first one) - I was joking about that one as well ;) I just don't like associating the two names... You know? I don't really hate Fiat's, I would just own a Ferrari rather than a Fiat anytime (who wouldn't? Except for, maybe, you :D :sly: j/k here too...)

The Wizard.
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Interesting explanation... but what confuses me though, is the fact that even Ferrari (for a short period of time :grumpy: ) experimented with turbocharging. For example, the '84 GTO and the 87-91 F40 (there was one other turbo Ferrari, but can't think of the name). Why, however, has Lamborghini stubbornly stuck to normally-aspirated motors? And even now that they're owned by a company that uses turbochargers in some its models, they still have no turbo Lambos. If they don't get their act together... I'm buying a Bugatti!!! :sly: :dopey:
 
ExigeExcel
Because a turbo means in order to get your power you have some lag first (twin turbos solve this usually). And so a N/A or supercharged engine is usually much better, especially when trying to fill 10/12 cylinders with air.

Also N/A keep with tradition and keep the driving experience raw.

IMO Superchargers>Turbo.
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Misconception... new turbocharged cars no longer suffer from turbo lag because they are designed differently. I've driven a Volvo S40 (1.9-liter turbo-4) and there was no discernable lag at all. However, my car, (designed and built in the 1980s) has a huge amount of turbo lag! But I prefer it that way because it confuses people. :sly: I start out really slow, and then fly past them as if they were standing still. :sly: 👍
 
The Bugatti Veyron has 4 turbos! I bet the turbo lag is noticeable still even though its new.
 
MrktMkr1986
And even now that they're owned by a company that uses turbochargers in some its models, they still have no turbo Lambos. If they don't get their act together... I'm buying a Bugatti!!! :sly: :dopey:
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I don't know... maybe is a tradition kinda thing. They just want to stick with what they have been doing in the past. Or maybe one day we will see a turbocharged Lamborghini, that would be awesome as well 👍 Only time will tell.

About the Bugatti - yeah, they kick @ss as well :D
Expecially the Veyron, with its 4 turbochargers and its 1001 HP and it ~924 ft-lb torque anywhere in the range from 2200 RPM's to 5500 RPM's :crazy::drool: (oops, time to change pants again... :indiff: :D) - now if only they decided to put the d@mn thing into production... I know I can't afford it now, but maybe, maybe one day I will - and the car better be out by that time! :sly:

EDIT: ExigeExcel said it before me... N/A keeps with tradition and keeps the driving experience raw 👍

The Wizard.
 
ExigeExcel
Also N/A keep with tradition and keep the driving experience raw.
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well said! 👍

In my eyes NA is more like true engineering, like you can feel and hear the engine working when you're revving it. Being a Honda fan, I like most of the NA engines, not only from Honda. Some people are reminded of their dentist :D, but for me it's just the better engine, cause it feels more "engine-ish" than a turbo or a supercharged one.

By the way, I like Ferrari too, I don't like Schumacher though! :dunce:

Cheers,
the Interceptor
 
theGTfreak
The Bugatti Veyron has 4 turbos! I bet the turbo lag is noticeable still even though its new.
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You've never driven one so you cannot make that assumption. Also, it depends on the size of turbos too. A brand new, albeit large, turbo is going to have more noticeable lag than a car with a smaller turbo.
 
TheWizard
I don't know... maybe is a tradition kinda thing. They just want to stick with what they have been doing in the past. Or maybe one day we will see a turbocharged Lamborghini, that would be awesome as well 👍 Only time will tell.

About the Bugatti - yeah, they kick @ss as well :D
Expecially the Veyron, with its 4 turbochargers and its 1001 HP and it ~924 ft-lb torque anywhere in the range from 2200 RPM's to 5500 RPM's :crazy::drool: (oops, time to change pants again... :indiff: :D) - now if only they decided to put the d@mn thing into production... I know I can't afford it now, but maybe, maybe one day I will - and the car better be out by that time! :sly:

EDIT: ExigeExcel said it before me... N/A keeps with tradition and keeps the driving experience raw 👍

The Wizard.
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You're right. Tradition has a lot to do with it. Like Saab for example... :sly: all of their new models are turbocharged. :)

And by the way, Bugatti is a French car company... that's why I said that... :dopey:
 
the Interceptor
In my eyes NA is more like true engineering, like you can feel and hear the engine working when you're revving it ...
By the way, I like Ferrari too, I don't like Schumacher though! :dunce:
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Yeah, that's basically what I was saying previously. For the same displacement and horsepower, an engine that's naturally aspirated is way better engineered/built and more efficient than one that needs turbos on it, to output the same amount of power.

I am glad you didn't take any offense, by the way 👍 :cheers:

You don't like Schumacher? What's wrong with you? ;) :D He is the best Formula 1 racer in the planet (after Nigel Mansell and Ayrton Senna) If it wasn't for him Ferrari would still be trying to win a Championship... Granted, he doesn't have the best character/attitude, but when it comes to racing, he owns them all :cool: :sly:

The Wizard.
 
MrktMkr1986
Since they have been established as a company... :)
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Ah ... Ettore Bugatti was Italian, but the company was founded in France - cool stuff, I didn't know that. Thanks! :dopey:
TheWizard
I am glad you didn't take any offense, by the way 👍 :cheers:
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You're absolutely welcome mate! :cheers:
TheWizard
You don't like Schumacher? What's wrong with you? ;) :D He is the best Formula 1 racer in the planet (after Nigel Mansell and Ayrton Senna) If it wasn't for him Ferrari would still be trying to win a Championship... Granted, he doesn't have the best character/attitude, but when it comes to racing, he owns them all :cool: :sly:
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I agree he's the best driver, but like you said, his character isn't the best, which is my point. But one day, his success will fade, and others will take his position as the top driver, it's just a matter of time. :ill:

Cheers,
the Interceptor
 
the Interceptor
I agree it's the best driver, but like you said, his character isn't the best, which is my point. But one day, his success will fade again, and others will rise, it's just a matter of time. :ill:

Cheers,
the Interceptor
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I agree
 
the Interceptor
I agree he's the best driver, but like you said, his character isn't the best, which is my point. But one day, his success will fade, and others will take his position as the top driver, it's just a matter of time. :ill:
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Most likely... He wouldn't be physically able to drive/win as much as he does now when he will be in his 60ties ;) :D
What I would really like to see though, is a BLOODY ITALIAN (sorry for the caps+bold, but here it's needed ;)) driving a BLOODY ITALIAN CAR (again, sorry). Wouldn't that make sense? I know right now there's not an Italian Formula 1 driver that can stand the stand against Schumacher, but maybe one day? Who knows? Maybe it will be... ME?! LOL! :D

The Wizard.
 
I may be wrong about this but I don't think that Ferrari are owned by Fiat. Both car manufacturers are owned the same parent company, the name of which i forget.
 
Ferrari is owned by the Fiat group, the Fiat group also own Fiat automobiles which is a seperate company to the Fiat group. Saying Fiat owns Ferrari is not a wrong expression, however it is misleading since people asume that means Fiat automibles, who don't own Ferrari.
 
Right now, the F430 still has some trouble trying to touch the Gallardo. After this, I doubt the F430 can touch it.


AND I'm sure after the Murcielago gets its upgrades, the Enzo may not be able touch it.
 
The Murcielago might be able to rival the McLaren F1.

There's a small chance...
 

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