More Than 50 Classic Cars Revealed For Forza Motorsport 7

[Stang616]

I don't see what the big deal is. Just add the badging and tobacco/alcohol branding with the livery editor... I feel like you guys are splitting hairs here. In the end does it change anything to the driving experience?

Next up people are going to be mad because the Goh R8 doesn't have the Enthusia Racing logo on its flanks and GTSport is not using the Forza Motorsports banners at Le Mans?

That doesn't work for cars like the '70 Chevelle or El Camino, which had the badge in the center of the grille.

 

[-Fred-]

Yep, and people out there in the real world take the branding off too:

Again, minor details that take nothing away from how you play the game. I don't see why we make a fuss out of something that people will actually take off their car to go racing... I guess I should go write a message to T10 about how the 1997's Civic Type-R gauge cluster needles are the wrong color.

 

[Stang616]

Yep, and people out there in the real world take the branding off too:

Again, minor details that take nothing away from how you play the game. I don't see why we make a fuss out of something that people will actually take off their car to go racing... I guess I should go write a message to T10 about how the 1997's Civic Type-R gauge cluster needles are the wrong color.

I am aware people take the badges off in the real world, its not that uncommon, this is also a reason why I think it should be an option to remove badging on cars and such on cars if your choose, it's no different than allowing the removal of the bumpers or trim pieces.

Some people like to have the cars be as accurate as possible and it has nothing to with how it affects gameplay. Just because it doesn't bother you, doesn't mean it won't bother someone else.

And tbh, if T10 wants to claim having a realistic and accurate simulator/car model, then they need to have the badges or include the non-SS models.

 

[ImaRobot]

And tbh, if T10 wants to claim having a realistic and accurate simulator/car model, then they need to have the badges or include the non-SS models.

They don't need to have accurate emblems to be a realistic or accurate simulator. That's a bit of a stretch.

While it may be an issue to you, you should still be able to see how insignificant an issue it is when looking at the greater picture. It's unfortunate that you can't have the two letters that are so dear to you, but if it's really a game breaking issue to you, than I'm not sure what to tell you.

 

[Stang616]

They don't need to have accurate emblems to be a realistic or accurate simulator.

While it may be an issue to you, you should still be able to see how insignificant an issue it is when looking at the greater picture. It's unfortunate that you can't have the two letters that are so dear to you, but if it's really a game breaking issue to you, than I'm not sure what to tell you.

Did I say anywhere in my posts that it is game breaking? No, I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[ImaRobot]

Did I say anywhere in my posts that it is game breaking? No, I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth.

No, it was posed more as a question. Sorry it didn't come off that way. It's just that you were making really outlandish claims as if this has anything to do with being a simulator, so it made it seem like an extreme issue for you.

I'm not putting anything in your mouth that you're not already ok with.

 

[Stang616]

No, it was posed more as a question. Sorry it didn't come off that way. It's just that you were making really outlandish claims as if this has anything to do with being a simulator, so it made it seem like an extreme issue for you.

I'm not putting anything in your mouth that you're not already ok with.

Apology accepted.

To be honest, the conversation started as stating the removal by T10 made no sense due to other companies having the logos and T10 stating it had to do with Chevrolet, which is bogus. It exploded from there.

It has more to do with the accuracy of the car model, than with the simulation aspect. Removing the logos has no affect on the way the car drives.

 

[-Fred-]

It has more to do with the accuracy of the car model, than with the simulation aspect.

True, but pretty much every game does that in some form or another, you can find minute details that are plain wrong or not quite correct in most games with actual licences...

 

[PJTierney]

The tobacco and liquor adverts make sense as it is rated E, but the SS logo makes no sense as anyone who is into cars does not think of it as anything other than Chevy's performance moniker.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ss

First result, no prior search history to influence this. There's one reason why an "all-ages" game published by Microsoft would want to avoid the SS acronym. Car people will search for "Chevrolet SS" or so,etching along those lines, but Microsoft's big vision for Forza is that it gets out to as many people as possible, whether they previously knew about car models or not.

Yes, we are all adults on this forum and "know better", but we're only a tiny fraction of the 2-5 million people that Microsoft are aiming to reach.

 

[Northstar]

I've never been too bothered by the missing badges and really the only time I notice is when someone brings it up.

What annoys me is T10's dishonesty on the subject.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ss

First result, no prior search history to influence this. There's one reason why an "all-ages" game published by Microsoft would want to avoid the SS acronym. Car people will search for "Chevrolet SS" or so,etching along those lines, but Microsoft's big vision for Forza is that it gets out to as many people as possible, whether they previously knew about car models or not.

Yes, we are all adults on this forum and "know better", but we're only a tiny fraction of the 2-5 million people that Microsoft are aiming to reach.

So what happens when someone looks up VW and sees that it was Hitler's idea, or that Mitsubishi supplied some of the planes used in Pearl Harbor?

Sure just searching "SS" gives you the result of the Schutzstaffel, but anyone who searches that and automatically thinks "Chevy is pro-Nazi" deserves to be called out for the idiots they are.

 

[ClydeYellow]

So what happens when someone looks up VW and sees that it was Hitler's idea, or that Mitsubishi supplied some of the planes used in Pearl Harbor?

That isn't exactly the same thing. You'd have to read a Wikipedia article on VW or Mitsubishi to find out about their wartime activities, and it'd still be put in the proper context. Wherein a Google Image Search for "SS" looks something like this:

Now, I don't disagree with the sentiment that it still is a pretty idiotic reason to excise the "SS" branding from Chevy and Holden cars, and I too hate the disonesty T10 has shown by pinning the blame for the decision on GM, but I can see MS's point (as non-sensical as it is). Alas, it doesn't seem whoever was responsible for this decision may change their mind anytime soon.... And even if they did, I'm not sure the badges already removed from older vehicles would reappear: after all, why bother? It must seem like a pretty trivial detail to anybody but the most dedicated car history enthusiasts which, as PJ already pointed out, are not really a majority of T10's audience.

Anyways, with today's announcement of the Alfetta 158 I have sufficient reason to preorder. Can't wait to take it out for a spin in Monza. And hey, I can even get Fangio-style goggles on my Drivatar, which makes it even (just a bit) sweeter!

 

[Northstar]

Wherein a Google Image Search for "SS" looks something like this:

And again, if you link the Chevrolet SS badge with the Schutzstaffel SS badge than you're an idiot and deserve to be treated so.

 

[ClydeYellow]

And again, if you link the Chevrolet SS badge with the Schutzstaffel SS badge than you're an idiot and deserve to be treated so.

Again; I am not disagreeing - and I don't think anybody in their sane mind would. But sadly, we don't live in a world where people get what they deserve. I can't blame MS for trying to avoid this kind of controversies - although I can, and will, complain about their dishonest assertions on the matter to anybody willing to listen.

Regardless, I think we already spent enough words on this matter. Whether or not we believe removing "SS" badges is justifiable or understandable, T10 isn't likely to change course and reverse this decision anytime soon. Try to look at the bright side: all vintage SS Chevy are by default de-badged sleepers!

 

[-Fred-]

And again, if you link the Chevrolet SS badge with the Schutzstaffel SS badge than you're an idiot and deserve to be treated so.

Well we do have warning labels for a reason.

 

[GroupB]

My main issue with the whole deal is we had 7 Forza games where the badges were not a problem, and then suddenly they were. It's never cool when things get removed from a game; even less so when it's done without any specific reason.

Edit: And if anyone wants proof that it's a Microsoft issue rather than Chevy/GM, check the Toyota Celica SS-I after the censorship took effect. The SS-I designation has been removed from the name and the voiceover lady calls it a "Celica Super Sport" creating a ridiculous error, because "SS" on a Celica actually stands for "Super Strut" as in suspension.

 

[CSLACR]

And that's the difference Im seeing with FM from GT.
With FM people have to complain about badging because there's so little to gripe about.

Im sitting here still happy enough to **** it's not 4000 nearly identical Japanese cars

 

[-Fred-]

And that's the difference Im seeing with FM from GT.
With FM people have to complain about badging because there's so little to gripe about.

Im sitting here still happy enough to **** it's not 4000 nearly identical Japanese cars

I'll take incorrect badging any day of the week over this:


Speaking of sounds and the return of many FM4 cars/assets, if T10 somehow manages to find the samples for the McLaren F1 they used back then, please bring them back.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Yep, and people out there in the real world take the branding off too:

Again, minor details that take nothing away from how you play the game. I don't see why we make a fuss out of something that people will actually take off their car to go racing... I guess I should go write a message to T10 about how the 1997's Civic Type-R gauge cluster needles are the wrong color.

That's just dumb, the SS that Chevy uses doesn't even look like the SS badge or symbol used by the Nazis.

Microsoft have turned hard into political correctness for a while now and sadly that isn't going to change.

It should be noted that Microsoft doesn't censor Nazi symbols or flags in 3rd party games like CoD but this is a first party game.

 

[DeadHero]

Edit: And if anyone wants proof that it's a Microsoft issue rather than Chevy/GM, check the Toyota Celica SS-I after the censorship took effect. The SS-I designation has been removed from the name and the voiceover lady calls it a "Celica Super Sport" creating a ridiculous error, because "SS" on a Celica actually stands for "Super Strut" as in suspension.

Rebranding a model that went out of production ten years ago must be part of Toyota's new naming strategy /s

 

[Dopplegagger]

That's just dumb, the SS that Chevy uses doesn't even look like the SS badge or symbol used by the Nazis.

Microsoft have turned hard into political correctness for a while now and sadly that isn't going to change.

It should be noted that Microsoft doesn't censor Nazi symbols or flags in 3rd party games like CoD but this is a first party game.

Interesting point. It's probably because they have direct control of the developer and any flack created from those Nazi symbols would go directly to the developer of the game and the company that owns them.

 

[Stang616]

My main issue with the whole deal is we had 7 Forza games where the badges were not a problem, and then suddenly they were. It's never cool when things get removed from a game; even less so when it's done without any specific reason.

Edit: And if anyone wants proof that it's a Microsoft issue rather than Chevy/GM, check the Toyota Celica SS-I after the censorship took effect. The SS-I designation has been removed from the name and the voiceover lady calls it a "Celica Super Sport" creating a ridiculous error, because "SS" on a Celica actually stands for "Super Strut" as in suspension.

I never even noticed that about the Celica, but that shows the main point of this whole discussion. Microsoft made a decision on their own for whatever reason and chose to blame a manufacturer that had nothing to do with the decision. I love FM and it is my favorite franchise, but I really am starting to wonder what is going on over at Microsoft.

That's just dumb, the SS that Chevy uses doesn't even look like the SS badge or symbol used by the Nazis.

Microsoft have turned hard into political correctness for a while now and sadly that isn't going to change.

It should be noted that Microsoft doesn't censor Nazi symbols or flags in 3rd party games like CoD but this is a first party game.

Interesting point. It's probably because they have direct control of the developer and any flack created from those Nazi symbols would go directly to the developer of the game and the company that owns them.

It could also have something to do with the fact that COD takes place during WWII, removing the Nazi symbolism makes it completely inaccurate, but it probably has something to do with both.

 

[Populuxe]

There is a simple compromise that MS/T10 could implement. They can continue to call the cars Super Sport if they feel they need to, and offer the car without the SS badging. But offer the SS badges in the "aero" section of the customization menu. Just like adding or deleting bumpers, you can add or delete the SS badges. That way they can avoid the Nazi SS freakout they think is waiting for them, but players still get to have original looking cars.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

The SS logos being removed does bother me a little it because it's an iconic symbol. It would be like if the GT-R and snake logo were missing from the Skyline and Viper. When customizing a car in any racing game, I prefer bumpers options that don't debadge it. It's just one of those little touches that really has a significant impact on the car's appearance, at least for me.

 

[Stang616]

There is a simple compromise that MS/T10 could implement. They can continue to call the cars Super Sport if they feel they need to, and offer the car without the SS badging. But offer the SS badges in the "aero" section of the customization menu. Just like adding or deleting bumpers, you can add or delete the SS badges. That way they can avoid the Nazi SS freakout they think is waiting for them, but players still get to have original looking cars.

I suggested this earlier in the thread and would be perfectly okay with it, as it could be used the other way as well for people who wish to debadge their cars.

The SS logos being removed does bother me a little it because it's an iconic symbol. It would be like if the GT-R and snake logo were missing from the Skyline and Viper. When customizing a car in any racing game, I prefer bumpers options that don't debadge it. It's just one of those little touches that really has a significant impact on the car's appearance, at least for me.

I feel the same way, it isn't game breaking, but it does bother me a bit.

 

[ClydeYellow]

There is a simple compromise that MS/T10 could implement. They can continue to call the cars Super Sport if they feel they need to, and offer the car without the SS badging. But offer the SS badges in the "aero" section of the customization menu. Just like adding or deleting bumpers, you can add or delete the SS badges. That way they can avoid the Nazi SS freakout they think is waiting for them, but players still get to have original looking cars.

TBH that sounds to me like it may lead to a freakout more easily than just putting the "SS" badges back . "Microsoft gives young kids the option to create a Nazimobile in Forza Motorsport 7" titles from columnists with no clue and nothing better to write about are flashing before my eyes.

 

[EngieDiesel]

TBH that sounds to me like it may lead to a freakout more easily than just putting the "SS" badges back . "Microsoft gives young kids the option to create a Nazimobile in Forza Motorsport 7" titles from columnists with no clue and nothing better to write about are flashing before my eyes.

They'll probably do this anyway when the inevitable Volkswagen Beetles with swastika liveries get posted up, though at least T10 has gotten pretty quick on the draw about banning idiots who do that once they get reported.

 

[Famine]

What if it's a car that actually raced with a swastika on the livery, like a 1930's silver arrow?

 

[ClydeYellow]

What if it's a car that actually raced with a swastika on the livery, like a 1930's silver arrow?

You try to upload one such livery when FM7 comes out and let us know what happens!

 

[Famine]

You try to upload one such livery when FM7 comes out and let us know what happens!

I'm afraid I don't have an XBL account. Can I borrow your login details to try it?

I mean, if the car raced with it - or the flag of Imperial Japan, or tobacco/alcohol advertising, or an advert for a genital mutiliation clinic - it would seem a bit harsh to ban people for recreating it, in that specific circumstance. It was a real thing, and it's not like swastikas are illegal anywhere (except Germany and Austria, and even then it's permitted for historical recreation or the purposes of art, like an old, real racing car in a video game).

I'm not sure what 1930s Silver Arrows are in FM these days though, because I've never owned an XBox One, so it may be merely theory that you can't put into practice...

 

[Northstar]

I tried searching, but since T10 has made a nearly useless livery search function I gave up after 5 minutes. Why would someone want a Hoonigan 1939 GP car?