More UK Police forces using armour plating on petrol cars!!

[Pebb]

Source 4 Car.

Police armour-plating more patrol cars

Police forces around the UK are armour-plating more of their patrol cars following the London terrorist bombings last month. The chairman of the National Association of Police Fleet Managers, Steve Botham, told Fleet News that: "there's a move towards better-protected vehicles if they go to a terrorist scene where there may be secondary bombings. At the moment a lot of police cars are not protected. We will move to lightweight armour on the vehicle so we have a better chance of survival. There will be more of them through the fleet. Instead of just special operations vehicles it will be spread through to the normal patrol car." The extra protection includes armoured plates fitted to body panels and Kevlar padding in the doors and underfloor areas. More patrol cars are also to house CCTV equipment and data recorders for evidence-gathering at a crime scene. "We're trying to get more data into the vehicle to use it as a mobile data platform", said Botham. "At a crime scene, instead of trailing out huge, very expensive incident vehicles we could do it from a car that arrives there first."

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

Any pictures on these police super cars?

 

[ExigeEvan]

Well nice to see they're getting better protection, though surely it's going to make them slower and less manouverable.

 

[Pebb]

Theres none of yet as soon as I find any i post them up unless i get beaten to it first.

 

[ExigeEvan]

I doubt they'll look much different.

Don't want to make it obvious who's armoured and who isn't.

 

[Pebb]

That is true for a fact. It seems people using guns against the cars that have amour will get a shock.

 

[T5-R]

That is true for a fact. It seems people using guns against the cars that have amour will get a shock.

Yeah when bullets ricochet back at them

 

[Young_Warrior]

The likelyness of someone shooting at a police car is highly unlikely

 

[ExigeEvan]

Not the way things are going.

Anyway, it's also a kind of bomb proofing.

 

[amp88]

It doesn't appear to be protection from bullets, rather protection from bombs ("better-protected vehicles if they go to a terrorist scene where there may be secondary bombings"). The lightweight kevlar padding in the doors probably wouldn't even stop a bullet from a handgun, nevermind a rifle. Also, unless they also protect the windows it's not going to be effective against shootings.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Not the way things are going.

Anyway, it's also a kind of bomb proofing.

Yeah definetly bomb proofing but a terrorist wouldnt exatly just open fire on a police car and cause minimal damagae.

Anyway I think most of the terrorists in the UK have blown themselves up and it will still be a while untill the next batch come through.

The thing is that they dont even say why they are blowing themselves up except that they feel unattached to society in the UK. These are some messed up people and you only need to watch the X factor to learn that there are thousands of weirdoes in this country.

 

[daan]

More UK Police forces using armour plating on petrol cars!!

Are they doing it with the diesel ones too?

 

[ExigeEvan]

But very little gun crime in the UK is anything to do with rifles. I would have though it would stop a pistol bullet, otherwise what chance does it have against some shrapnel from a bomb?

I'm not sure whether the police have bullet proof glass in their windows, I do't think so as there's no black strip around the edges, but no doubt it'll happen soon enough.

@Young Warrior - With the bullets I was talking about the growing amount of gun use by urban gangs. They are more likely than anyone to open fire on a police car.

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

I still think terrorists will find a way to kill these police regardless of their reinforced vehicles, because terrorist these days seem to be very smart and organized.

Bomb from underneathe the car?
Bomb when they open their window to talk?

There will always be a weak spot somewhere.

 

[Young_Warrior]

But very little gun crime in the UK is anything to do with rifles. I would have though it would stop a pistol bullet, otherwise what chance does it have against some shrapnel from a bomb?

I'm not sure whether the police have bullet proof glass in their windows, I do't think so as there's no black strip around the edges, but no doubt it'll happen soon enough.

@Young Warrior - With the bullets I was talking about the growing amount of gun use by urban gangs. They are more likely than anyone to open fire on a police car.

Urban gangs yes but they will only fire at police when there is a circumstance where they will go to jail for a very very long time if they dont.

My area itself has just turned to the worst with a new gang seemingly having come out of nowhere. They drive about in their drop top bimmas all day with Tvs in the headrest and and chrom rims some even with chrome spinners and yet the police somehow either dont care or are to stupid to clock on that these men are drug dealers. They are also running about with their guns and have put one to my friends head once.

I now understand why adults complain some much about big amounts of people coming together even though we never do anything to them. Intimadation is a huge force.

Speaking of police today on a ner enough short straight road a man managed to turn over his 1996 honda accord. How he did it remains a mystery but being drunk has a huge part to play.

 

[stumpydino]

I still think terrorists will find a way to kill these police regardless of their reinforced vehicles, because terrorist these days seem to be very smart and organized.
Bomb from underneath the car?
Bomb when they open their window to talk?

police get out of the car if theyr gonna talk, and as far as i know they arent targets, it isnt gonna make a big impression if it only kills a few, tho saying that these "terrorists" blew up the trains rather than the station, which doesnt make sense cos if your gonna go for max damage youd do it on the platform

 

[PS]

Are they doing it with the diesel ones too?

I always wondered if there was law-enforcement Go-Karts.


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Oh, and the Kevlar can stop direct hits from bullets. New weaves come out every few months, and the ones that are now being used in the US Army over in Iraq have saved countless lives. One soldier was actually shot in the chest by a sniper and was able to get up and run for cover before he was shot again. He survived unscathed.

 

[Emohawk]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

Any pictures on these police super cars?

As somebody else said, they're probably pretty normal looking.
Probably nothing like what they have in Belfast:

 

[VIPFREAK]

That is true for a fact. It seems people using guns against the cars that have amour will get a shock.

Not really when the police can't afford the gas to fill em. Then they'll be sitting ducks... (pun not intented)

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

I always wondered if there was law-enforcement Go-Karts.


[edit]


Oh, and the Kevlar can stop direct hits from bullets. New weaves come out every few months, and the ones that are now being used in the US Army over in Iraq have saved countless lives. One soldier was actually shot in the chest by a sniper and was able to get up and run for cover before he was shot again. He survived unscathed.

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

That's some neat stuff! How much does those Kevlar vest weigh?

 

[PS]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

That's some neat stuff! How much does those Kevlar vest weigh?

Depending on the layers, and how tight the weave is, could be anywhere from 1.5lb's (light armor for shrapnel), or all the way up to 10lb's, which would be used for close-combat SWAT teams and Special Forces US army members who work in close quarters combat, which usually consists of gunfire. I imagine the ones plating the car door would weigh (in total) about 12-15lbs. The car already has a steel panel in front of it anyway, which would help disform the bullet and bounce it around a tad.

And if you feel like buying yourself a Kevlar vest, you can pick one up for a cheap $309.00!.


Also, note that some high-end sports cars use kevlar as a body panel. Pound-for-pound kevlar is about 1.5x as rigid as carbon fibre, and I believe there's an entire Toyota Supra (last gen I think) body conversion kit made entirely out of kevlar. Only problem is, because this is so rigid, the edges can be a bit grainy or sharp because it doesn't cut/sand off as well as carbon fibre. Not quite as easy to mold.

Of course there are different grades, and the sheets/plies used in vests is just like the seat-belt fabric, only the weave is tighter (2000 fibre count vs 600 for example).

 

[Jondot]

Around here, the police seem to have gone mad for Skoda Ocatavia VRS Estates. It used to be Peugeot 306 and 406es.

 

[ExigeEvan]

We have pimpin Ford focuses, Mondeos and BMW 5 series .

I'm waiting for the police to bring back the 'tank-cars'.

 

[Jondot]

Even though i don't like them, i can see why they chose the octavia vrs. When you see them on chase, they go ****ing quick.

 

[niky]

Really? A lot of our police use Daewoos... pre-GM Daewoos with itty-bitty engines. Don't see them chasing a lot of lawbreakers, though... basically, if you can hit 80 mph, you're home free... ...even more so if they can't get the car to start in the first place.

 

[T5-R]

All the patrol cars I've seen around here are Volvo V70 T5s and those peugeot vans for panda cars.

Daewoos I guess they would try to avoid car to car contact at all costs

 

[ExigeEvan]

Really? A lot of our police use Daewoos... pre-GM Daewoos with itty-bitty engines. Don't see them chasing a lot of lawbreakers, though... basically, if you can hit 80 mph, you're home free... ...even more so if they can't get the car to start in the first place.

Pff, I bet they all have V8s dropped in





..Or not.

 

[Pebb]

Around here, the police seem to have gone mad for Skoda Ocatavia VRS Estates. It used to be Peugeot 306 and 406es.

Skoda's oh dear thats not going to help stop crimes.

 

[amp88]

You never know, the criminals might stop to point and laugh

Up here most of the traffic cars are C Class Mercs and 5 Series BMWs. The patrol cars vary a lot from Ford Fiestas, through Pugs up to some 4x4 jeeps

 

[Pebb]

I know a lot of police around me have BMW M5's and M3's as none marked police cars.