Do you know where the tire guide is? Which tire to use based on PP? THANKS!
Tuning the RUF Yellow Bird. 550pp and my dilemma is SS or RH. Decided to on the SS. This is turning out to be a tough tune. Getting there. I saw the guide referenced somewhere just can't find it.
I tried tuning the Yellow Bird six different times in GT5, but never posted it. I did 500PP and below on sport hard and did a maxed out version on racing hard. I was just never really happy with the tune, so never made it public.
Did you get one on the BTR? I'm thinking they should be pretty similar. Getting there on the Yellow Bird. Gone from 2:14 down to 2:10. I believe it needs to be 2:04-2:06 range on Nurb GPF track. I've gone live on the tune attempt.
NSX Type R '02
470PP, 289hp, 1250kg
Paint: Lime Green Metallic
Tuned with G27 with Nixim Brake Pedal Mod and ABS 1
Tune built for the Acura NSX Super Lap Seasonal at Ascari - January 15, 2014
About the track, I am really liking the Ascari track. It seems to have most corners that you will see on other circuits. This is quickly becoming my favorite track to tune on. I will probably come back to this seasonal this weekend and make effort to drop my times further.
Pit Service
No Oil Change
Installed Parts
Comfort Soft Tires
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes
Fully Customizable Transmission
Fully Customizable LSD
Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
Weight Reduction Stage 1
Carbon Hood
Window Weight Reduction
Tune
Ride Height 100/100
Springs 5.50/7.50
Dampers Compression 2/2
Dampers Extension 3/3
Anti-Roll Bars 3/3
Camber 0.0/0.0
Toe -0.05/0.25
Brake balance 5/4
LSD 14/12/32
Ballast 110
Ballast Position -25
Weight Distribution 48:52
Power Level 95.0%
Transmission
Final Gear to 5.500
Top Speed to 124
1st gear 3.000
2nd gear 2.100
3rd gear 1.645
4th gear 1.355
5th gear 1.155
6th gear 1.015
Final gear 4.300
Tuning the RUF Yellow Bird. 550pp and my dilemma is SS or RH. Decided to on the SS. This is turning out to be a tough tune. Getting there. I saw the guide referenced somewhere just can't find it.
I could never get this car right in GT5. I was pretty happy with this tune for the Bird in GT6. I am exploring higher ride heights and stiffer springs.
526PP, 462HP, 1150KG, ABS1, TC=off. You can add HP to get to 550PP. Hope you like.
Pit Service
No Oil Change
Installed Parts
Sports Soft Tires
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes
Fully Customizable Transmission
Fully Customizable LSD
Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
Tune
Ride Height 120/140
Springs 6.80/8.40
Dampers Compression 4/3
Dampers Extension 4/3
Anti-Roll Bars 4/3
Camber 0.0/0.0
Toe 0.0/0.30
Brake balance 3/1
LSD 8/10/16
Ballast None
Ballast Position 0
Weight Distribution 41:59
Power Level 100%
My trans settings are probably not optimal. I just set to 149MPH, and used a 4.11 final gear.
Sorry, I read the comments about a car that I struggled to tune in GT5 as apparently others have too, but found much better in GT6 and I got excited and wanted to share what I had found. Pardon.Why do you post your tune in somebody else garage ????? Create your own post for it or your own garage to publish them.
Why do you post your tune in somebody else garage ????? Create your own post for it or your own garage to publish them.
Sorry, I read the comments about a car that I struggled to tune in GT5 as apparently others have too, but found much better in GT6 and I got excited and wanted to share what I had found. Pardon.
I do not have a problem with having it posted here. In fact I will probably try it out and see if i can learn anything from it. So thanks for trying out my tune.
I do think there may be a better place for your tune and the discussion, though. You should probably re-post it in the NSX seasonal thread so that more people may find it and discuss it. I guess for next time there is a situation like this, post the tune over in the seasonal thread and then link it back here. You current one is just going to get lost by next week in my garage. It won't get linked here. Over in the seasonals, the good OPs are liking all tunes.
Thanks again for sharing. I think that it is interesting that you used more rear toe and less brake balance to offset the LSD decel reduction. I may test that. I think the biggest difference is that your tune used no ballast. What weight and HP was your NSX tune at.
As for the Yellow Bird, I will take that one as a suggestion and come back to it when I get to tuning it in GT6.
I do not have a problem with having it posted here. In fact I will probably try it out and see if i can learn anything from it. So thanks for trying out my tune.
I do think there may be a better place for your tune and the discussion, though. You should probably re-post it in the NSX seasonal thread so that more people may find it and discuss it. I guess for next time there is a situation like this, post the tune over in the seasonal thread and then link it back here. You current one is just going to get lost by next week in my garage. It won't get linked here. Over in the seasonals, the good OPs are liking all tunes.
Thanks again for sharing. I think that it is interesting that you used more rear toe and less brake balance to offset the LSD decel reduction. I may test that. I think the biggest difference is that your tune used no ballast. What weight and HP was your NSX tune at.
As for the Yellow Bird, I will take that one as a suggestion and come back to it when I get to tuning it in GT6.
Sorry for butting in
Thanks Hami. I had found your tuning guide and tunes and just wanted to discuss my findings with you. Maybe it would have been more appropriate to PM. I posted a BTR tune in the forum which may be better handling than the Yellowbird tune. I was just really happy that they can be tuned and driven hard finally.
The NSX has 267HP@244ft-lb and 1104kg. For me the NSX has decent balance, so I wanted to leave ballast as a last resort. By using less LSD decel, I was able the take the high speed corners wide open and let up briefly just before the apex and it rotates perfectly and you can get right back on the gas. Very little steering input is required. As you mentioned, the rear toe is compensating for the lower LSD decel giving stability when you get off the throttle. Using decel 30, I found the car wouldn't trail brake as easy. I always stiffen the springs so that I don't feel a lot of car movement during any transition. Right now I have not ventured into doing too much with dampers because the base settings seem to drive pretty well in most cars so far for me.
I am a happy tuner tonight. I have been working on a different way to think about tuning. It involves really focusing in on the problem to solve, then making a list of the possible options at play. It is one thing to know generally that lighter front springs and heavier rear springs can mean less understeer, but to know when to try that vs. other options available is the real key to my new system. Here is a sneak peak.
I am finding the above graphic very powerful in thinking about what is happening at each stage of the corner. Think of the circles as the tire's contact patch or even as relative to grip and change due to weight shifting. For example, if you are turning the outside front tire red at late corner entry, you have to ask whether you think that tire is overloaded, past it's maximum grip level or if you think it is being under utilized and needs more weight to shift to that tire.
The new guide would look something like this.
Late corner entry can be difficult to diagnose while driving in GT6. You may need to watch a replay instead of trying to see what the tire indicators are doing while on a hot lap. There is one condition that I see most often in GT6 at this point in the turn; a red, outside front tire.
GT6 Handling Tips:
Condition 1: Glowing red outside front tire in a medium to low speed corner
Options: Hypothesis is that the front tire is overloaded and past its maximum available grip. To fix this condition, test:
- option 1
- option 2
- option 3
- option 4
Condition 2: Glowing red outside front tire in a medium to high speed corner
Options: Hypothesis is that the front tire does not have enough weight on it and it is just sliding across the pavement. To fix this condition, test:
- option 1
- option 2
- option 3
- option 4
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I have tested for almost three hours tonight and every change has produced pretty logical results. I want to test more cars this weekend before I call this my new tuning method, but hoping to finish the full write up and post it by Sunday night (maybe during the week).
Very impressive. I am very grateful and learning heaps from all you guys. Seems you can teach 54 year old dogs new tricks. 👍I am a happy tuner tonight. I have been working on a different way to think about tuning. It involves really focusing in on the problem to solve, then making a list of the possible options at play. It is one thing to know generally that lighter front springs and heavier rear springs can mean less understeer, but to know when to try that vs. other options available is the real key to my new system. Here is a sneak peak.
I am finding the above graphic very powerful in thinking about what is happening at each stage of the corner. Think of the circles as the tire's contact patch or even as relative to grip and change due to weight shifting. For example, if you are turning the outside front tire red at late corner entry, you have to ask whether you think that tire is overloaded, past it's maximum grip level or if you think it is being under utilized and needs more weight to shift to that tire.
The new guide would look something like this.
Late corner entry can be difficult to diagnose while driving in GT6. You may need to watch a replay instead of trying to see what the tire indicators are doing while on a hot lap. There is one condition that I see most often in GT6 at this point in the turn; a red, outside front tire.
GT6 Handling Tips:
Condition 1: Glowing red outside front tire in a medium to low speed corner
Options: Hypothesis is that the front tire is overloaded and past its maximum available grip. To fix this condition, test:
- option 1
- option 2
- option 3
- option 4
Condition 2: Glowing red outside front tire in a medium to high speed corner
Options: Hypothesis is that the front tire does not have enough weight on it and it is just sliding across the pavement. To fix this condition, test:
- option 1
- option 2
- option 3
- option 4
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I have tested for almost three hours tonight and every change has produced pretty logical results. I want to test more cars this weekend before I call this my new tuning method, but hoping to finish the full write up and post it by Sunday night (maybe during the week).
On another note, I was thinking that since we live so close to one another and we both are into tuning and I see you are starting to get into the TT's, maybe we could get together sometime and swap some ideas and just generally talk GT6. I think we could come up with some good stuff and bounce ideas off one another all the while testing at the same time. Let me know what you think. Kinda like a "Friday night cards with the tards" type thing.
I've dug out an old reference I found back then from some RL suspension article, thought it might be of some interest.
Link: http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/shocktune1.html
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Motor City Hami said
Congratulations for your fair play on the post carrera964.