Motorcycles in GT5?
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OK - I'm a biker before I'm a car freak, and have been for nearly 30 years.
I don't want to see bikes in Gran Turismo - in fact I don't care if I never see bikes in any game at all.
Here's why;
Gran Turismo is a driving/racing simulator.
It's relatively easy to do. You strap the driver in his seat, very tightly so that he can't move. Then you (the driver) apply inputs to the steering wheel, pedals, gearstick etc in the most skilful way that you can, in order to make the car go round a track quickly.
It's much more difficult to create a motorcycle riding simulator. The steering wheel (handlebars) have comparatively little to do with changing the direction of the bike. There is a lot of "steering" input resulting from weight transfer of the riders body, weighting footpegs, side-to-side, forward and back. It's also important to have seperate control of front and rear brakes.
I could go on.....countersteering etc, but you get my point.
So, unless my riding simulator can reproduce this type of experience, I'm afraid it doesn't cut it in my book.
I don't want to see bikes in Gran Turismo - in fact I don't care if I never see bikes in any game at all.
Here's why;
Gran Turismo is a driving/racing simulator.
It's relatively easy to do. You strap the driver in his seat, very tightly so that he can't move. Then you (the driver) apply inputs to the steering wheel, pedals, gearstick etc in the most skilful way that you can, in order to make the car go round a track quickly.
It's much more difficult to create a motorcycle riding simulator. The steering wheel (handlebars) have comparatively little to do with changing the direction of the bike. There is a lot of "steering" input resulting from weight transfer of the riders body, weighting footpegs, side-to-side, forward and back. It's also important to have seperate control of front and rear brakes.
I could go on.....countersteering etc, but you get my point.
So, unless my riding simulator can reproduce this type of experience, I'm afraid it doesn't cut it in my book.
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- GTP_african_kat
It would be fun to pit a modded car against a bike - i would love to see about 10 popular bikes in GT5. It wouldn't take up much disk space and the users that don't prefer to use them don't have to.
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Gran Turismo is also called "the Real Driving Simulator," not "the Real Racing Simulator," and the only place you'll find a small handful of 100% stock production road cars racing for just a few laps, besides the game, is on Best Motoring DVDs. A realistic racing experience has never been a part of the picture.
You're a biker first and a car guy second, but you never bothered to play Tourist Trophy? It's not particularly realistic, but as a rider myself, I can say it does a fine job recreating the feeling of riding a motorcycle.
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- GTP_BikeShorts
Good post, I never really thought of it like that.
It would be a bit weird playing GT on a bike with a G25 that is for sure
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- balang_479
both would be insane, but not gonna happen.
I dont know why people are thinking that if motorcycles are included that they would have races with both the bikes and cars on the same track at the same time. This isn't a valid arguement against having bikes on GT5. They would have a bike world, and a car world. However, if you wanted to compare on multiplayer they could let some Civic owner try to drag race a Kawasaki Ninja (as they do in real life). But don't think they would combine the two vehicles in a race. That's just stupid.
I'm an all of the above person. I support bikes, trucks, and SUVs. They had a weird 3wheeled thing made by Nike on GT4. Yet, people are whining about no bikes. My only argument against bikes is that they would be missing out on other cars they could put on there. The only reasonable solution is like other people have mentioned is to have two seperate games: GT5 and TT2. Or just let the unhappy people simply not buy a bike.
I'm an all of the above person. I support bikes, trucks, and SUVs. They had a weird 3wheeled thing made by Nike on GT4. Yet, people are whining about no bikes. My only argument against bikes is that they would be missing out on other cars they could put on there. The only reasonable solution is like other people have mentioned is to have two seperate games: GT5 and TT2. Or just let the unhappy people simply not buy a bike.
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Yet, the three wheeler was a car, not a Bike. Again, its the Driving simulator. Its about the experiance of driving, not riding. Having bikes on there not only clashes with this heavily, but they don't exactly fit the "Automotive" encyclopedia Kaz has in mind. I do agree however on seperate games because nothing confilcts and everyone is happy.
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Technically you have to have a motorcycle license to drive vehicles like that (T-Rex), but that wasn't my point anyway.
My point was there are all kinds of non-car, non-4wheeled vehicles already on GT. Doesn't make much sense to not allow more variety than what's already in place.
So far the only arguements are that they don't want to race a motorcycle with cars on the track (wouldn't happen in the first place) and someone said it didn't seem realistic enough. Although, as soon as that claim was made, another real-life biker said it was just fine. So, I'm not sure what else you can say.
tourist trophy is great, and it'd be stunning with the full PS3 treatment 
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- Bonn
- GTAce
The Nike One had 4 wheels.
The Daihatsu Midget I has 3 and this is still more a car, nevertheless the driving license you would need in real life.
I agree with you though, a bike and a car GT world would be possible, i wouldnt mind that too, but they should concentrate more on the cars imo. (because theres still a lot to do). They could either bring a bike pack via DLC (think Burnout), or a new TT though.
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Who said I never bothered to play Tourist Trophy? I own the game, and I remember it kept me occupied for only about 2 weeks.
I your last sentence I'm afraid you have contradicted yourself;
"It's not particularly realistic" - I agree with you 👍
"I can say it does a fine job recreating the feeling of riding a motorcycle" - I don't agree with you. 👎
But the world's a wonderful place where we can all have our own opinion.
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- Treviglio
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I just worry that we won't see a TT2 for a good while especially the way PD takes it's time, and then we have the economy problems etc!
I just really don't see the harm in having a selection of bikes in GT5, with the ability to enter a bike in a few selected races - obviously GT5's focus should be on cars. I only really want bikes so I can race my own ghosts and do my car vs bike laps on the ring as well as many other tracks as well as the online duals.
For me, and most other bike nuts that play the GT series, the prospect of a dual on the ring say on a Ducati 1098 chasing down a 360 Modena just sounds like great fun.
The GT series is about evolution, and if bikes were an inclusion then it would only make the game a more complete and varied platform for motorsport not just cars.
I think to keep you all happy, bikes could possibly be downloadable content, and the individuals out there that want them, can have them and EVEN pay for them if needs be.
To you car orientated GT buffs, If bikes were included in GT5, it will largely go un noticed by you all, so relax, and let GT5 evolve into the complete 'Motorsports' game it always should have been.
I just really don't see the harm in having a selection of bikes in GT5, with the ability to enter a bike in a few selected races - obviously GT5's focus should be on cars. I only really want bikes so I can race my own ghosts and do my car vs bike laps on the ring as well as many other tracks as well as the online duals.
For me, and most other bike nuts that play the GT series, the prospect of a dual on the ring say on a Ducati 1098 chasing down a 360 Modena just sounds like great fun.
The GT series is about evolution, and if bikes were an inclusion then it would only make the game a more complete and varied platform for motorsport not just cars.
I think to keep you all happy, bikes could possibly be downloadable content, and the individuals out there that want them, can have them and EVEN pay for them if needs be.
To you car orientated GT buffs, If bikes were included in GT5, it will largely go un noticed by you all, so relax, and let GT5 evolve into the complete 'Motorsports' game it always should have been.
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- Watevaman78564
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Well, Tourist Trophy 1 didn't take too long to come out after Gran Turismo 4, and I'm pretty confident most of the stuff used in GT5 could just be transferred over with the exception of physics models and the bikes themselves.
And even though I said I'd rather have a TT2, I wouldn't mind at all if GT5 had bikes in it, as long as they weren't required to win any cars, heh heh.
And even though I said I'd rather have a TT2, I wouldn't mind at all if GT5 had bikes in it, as long as they weren't required to win any cars, heh heh.
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I would love a stand alone game, but just can't wait 1-2 years for TT2 after GT5 is released. Just add some bikes and be done with it :-)
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I think after Amar's thread, bikes in GT5 may a slightly more viable prospect. Heres hoping:-)
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- Ghost_Drift1
Thats is all well and good, but you will still need to race with them to get 100% on the game. Not to mention you just cant get the same imersion into the game when it is bikes. unless logitech make some sort of sit on hydraulic motorbike thing. I love bikes I realy do but this is GT not GP. But yeah total lack of feel on all motorcycle games.
I'd be keen to see it happen but Gran Turismo has and always will be known as a racing car simulator. There are more than enough bike simulators out there personally.
Nothing wrong with the developers bringing out a seperate game
Nothing wrong with the developers bringing out a seperate game
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