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- RykonZero
Should the Combined game (C) Have less "stuff" like cars? Or will they find a way to cram the entire of world history in there as well?
Motorcycles in GT5?
- Thread starter Patrik
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- 5,768
- Anoka, MN
Bah, just offer bikes as DLC and be done with it.
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- RykonZero
But I like winning races to learn what myoneurogastrointestinal encephalomyopathy is!
- 5,768
- Anoka, MN
no you're a myoneurogastrointestinal encephalomyopath!
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Yeah, Im all for DLC..
I think GT5 should be a free PSN DL with scads and scads of paid DLC...
Bikes, Open Wheelers, GTs, Prototypes.. maybe even some of the more ridiculous american forms or racing.. ;P
Its should become the platform for all PS3 racing... rather than the monolithic lump we get every 3 years or so
Its also needs some massive improvements to online, check out some of the interviews with the iRacing.com developers... now thats some next-gen racing..
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Yeah, Im all for DLC..
I think GT5 should be a free PSN DL with scads and scads of paid DLC...
Bikes, Open Wheelers, GTs, Prototypes.. maybe even some of the more ridiculous american forms or racing.. ;P
Its should become the platform for all PS3 racing... rather than the monolithic lump we get every 3 years or so
Its also needs some massive improvements to online, check out some of the interviews with the iRacing.com developers... now thats some next-gen racing..
- 30,024
- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
I don't, I don;t mind after launch downloads but I sure as hell am not buying a full GT games worth of content through microtransactions.
I remember when they were talking about doing that for GT:HD classic, I did the maths. To get GT4's level of content would have cost hundereds of pounds. No thanks. I alrady live in rip-off Britain, I don't want to get ripped off any more than the government forces me to be.
Your right, 30% isn't insignificant. But thoes 30% are already GT fans. What about the 60% who are asying "Hell no". Would you alienate that 60% from the series just to make the 30% who are already fans regardless like the game even more.
Statistically it's a no brainer, the effort, time, cost and benefits of adding bikes to Gran Turismo don't add up. Now your saying implement them into the game in such a way that at no point are you force to experience them. Well I'd be stupid if I was to flat out object to that idea, but what I would rather see is that time spend on implemening these bikes that some people would never experience to be used on more cars, tracks and tuning parts.
By all means offer GT5 and TT2 and have some way of combiining the games through use of the HDD for thoes that are really interested but there is no benefit for the majority of the consumers or for PD to combine the package.
- 793
Yeah, this is going no where, i love bikes and cars but i dont want them in the same game if it's a racing game. Im more concerned with TT doing to bikes what GT did for cars.
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- RykonZero
What if PD made TT2, but then, you could pair up 2 PS3s, one with TT2, and the other with GT5, and you could basically have an Arcade mode where you can use both!
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- JDA1982
You wouldn't need to PS3's hooked up, you'd just need to use the HDD and for an option in each game to allow thwm to share content stored on the HDD. I wouldn't mind if PD did that, that way people who want bikes could buy TT2 as well and race cars v bikes but at the same time, people who didn't want to would still get the full GT5 with absolutely no influence of bikes contained within. That way it would be purely optional and at the same time wouldn't detract anything from GT5 in terms of development, disk space and content.
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You do realize that this "monolithic lump", as you like to call it, is a massive undertaking as is, right? Just as far as investments made in obtaining licenses, modeling the vehicles, disecting, researching and recreating the physics, now emulating the damage aspect....all this is what goes unnoticed in the making of GT5.
On top of all those cars for which they repeat the process, you want them to add the cost of doing the same for what I suppose would have to be 20+ bikes. And when I say "add the cost" I'm not just referring to time, either. All of that research is going to be added to the overall monetary cost of the game as a whole, and passed on to the consumers.
Furthermore, why would Sony agree to make a single racing platform for all types of racing on PS3? What about other developers who want to make racing games for PS3? Are they gonna be shut out? That would be like what Apple does for their computer systems, look how far it's gotten them; almost no developer support compared to Windows.
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GT is called GT because of the GT cars. I believe that motorcycles on the GT tracks is called TT. The only addition needed on TT is making all motorcycles available in 2 player as is mention numerous places on the TT boards.
Ok...
By far the heaviest part of the development of GT is the modeling and texturing..
everything else is relatively lightweight..
In the PC world you have the ISI gmotor engine which powers most of the sims...
rFactor, GTL, GTR, GTR2, WTCC, RACE.. These are all the same game under the hood..
Then you look at the amazing array of mods for rFactor.. All on the same engine..
This allows lots of different sims to be developed/hacked together with a minimum of wasted effort..
The core of GT, the simulation part, is the smallest part.. They already have most of the core of GT5 in GT5P... (including damage in an update)
the rest is content, not technology..
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As for the Apple anology..
Think of GT becoming like the iTunes store..
The PS3 is the iPod..
and the cars and tracks are the Music..
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going down this road means they can maximize and spread out the income from the heavy work in GT's development, the content creation.. rather than only getting AU$99 hits of it every couple of years.. a price which doesnt change no matter how much or little they deliver..
Plus you eliminate the parasitic second hand market..
By far the heaviest part of the development of GT is the modeling and texturing..
everything else is relatively lightweight..
In the PC world you have the ISI gmotor engine which powers most of the sims...
rFactor, GTL, GTR, GTR2, WTCC, RACE.. These are all the same game under the hood..
Then you look at the amazing array of mods for rFactor.. All on the same engine..
This allows lots of different sims to be developed/hacked together with a minimum of wasted effort..
The core of GT, the simulation part, is the smallest part.. They already have most of the core of GT5 in GT5P... (including damage in an update)
the rest is content, not technology..
...
As for the Apple anology..
Think of GT becoming like the iTunes store..
The PS3 is the iPod..
and the cars and tracks are the Music..
...
going down this road means they can maximize and spread out the income from the heavy work in GT's development, the content creation.. rather than only getting AU$99 hits of it every couple of years.. a price which doesnt change no matter how much or little they deliver..
Plus you eliminate the parasitic second hand market..
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- compressorsurge
Leave the bikes for Tourist Trophy 2.
- 1,945
- Treviglio
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- PAPPALCART
Bikes is GT 5 would be a brilliant idea:-) After all, If I decide to go for a ride on my bike to Germany, for a little blast on the ring, I can expect to play among many cars and bikes on the track at the same time. It would be great to be on a Ducati 1098 on the ring, while chasing down an F40 or vice versa.
I am not sure how bikes could be intergrated with GT5, but at least on a track like nurburgring, where bikes and cars do actually share track time in real life it would be most welcome.
All of you cars guys are bitching, but if bikes were included, and were paired up well, then I am sure you would all enjoy the comparisson that could be made.
I was pissed that on The PS2, PD did not allow me to load up my GT4 ghosts and race them against my TT ghosts.
I am sure if bikes were included, PD would really have to screw it up to make GT5 a worse off game, so really, the more content we have the better:-)
I am not sure how bikes could be intergrated with GT5, but at least on a track like nurburgring, where bikes and cars do actually share track time in real life it would be most welcome.
All of you cars guys are bitching, but if bikes were included, and were paired up well, then I am sure you would all enjoy the comparisson that could be made.
I was pissed that on The PS2, PD did not allow me to load up my GT4 ghosts and race them against my TT ghosts.
I am sure if bikes were included, PD would really have to screw it up to make GT5 a worse off game, so really, the more content we have the better:-)
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- Whiskey345ci
I've totally missed the brilliant part of this all. Im not understanding how anyone could even consider this an intelligent innovation. It seems the people who are in touch and knowledgeable with real world driving and motorsports agree that bikes and cars together and associated in GT, and/or motorsports period is a pretty senseless idea. Also because of the simple fact that this wont happen.
- 793
Look, a bike and car don't need to be on a track at the same time.
Compare this......bike hits car and car gets minor damage......BIKE RIDER IS DEAD!
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- Yaywalter
I voted no, mostly because a lot of work is needed to be done in order to complete GT5. No need to add bikes to Polyphony's workload. However, I wouldn't mind seeing a merge of GT and TT in GT6.
Gran Turismo is a strong name, and I think it would be better for Polyphony to just incorporate all motorsports into GT rather than trying to make them their own entities. However, no ridiculous bike vs. car races or anything of that sort. That's just dumb. Bikes race other bikes only, cars race other cars only. Of course, there should be a free run mode where you can drive around by yourself or with friends using any vehicle you'd like... It wouldn't be a race though.
Gran Turismo is a strong name, and I think it would be better for Polyphony to just incorporate all motorsports into GT rather than trying to make them their own entities. However, no ridiculous bike vs. car races or anything of that sort. That's just dumb. Bikes race other bikes only, cars race other cars only. Of course, there should be a free run mode where you can drive around by yourself or with friends using any vehicle you'd like... It wouldn't be a race though.
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I feel like a lot of people don't understand the hard work that goes into making each version of GT. Proponents of the addition of bikes speak as if PD can just whip out the bikes in a week; first off, if Yamauchi's going to make a car/bike sim, he's gonna put as much research into the motorcycles as what goes into the cars. That's more research time going into the game. It's the same as if he was making another game! Are you willing to wait even more time than what we're already standing for GT5, just to get bikes into a car game?
GT is also NOT a platform. Not an engine. It is a game. Just because the Unreal Engine is shared with RPGs doesn't mean you should have Marcus Fenix as DLC in one.
One of three things are gonna happen if bikes are thrown into GT:
1)they skimp on the amount of cars
2) they compromise the car simulation to accommodate bikes (the worst possible outcome)
3)they extend the development process to unbearable amounts of time
either way the experience gets diluted.
GT is also NOT a platform. Not an engine. It is a game. Just because the Unreal Engine is shared with RPGs doesn't mean you should have Marcus Fenix as DLC in one.
One of three things are gonna happen if bikes are thrown into GT:
1)they skimp on the amount of cars
2) they compromise the car simulation to accommodate bikes (the worst possible outcome)
3)they extend the development process to unbearable amounts of time
either way the experience gets diluted.
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- Yaywalter
No, I understand (more or less) the ridiculous amount of effort that is required of Polyphony to produce Gran Turismo.
What I said in my earlier post would be that "Tourst Trophy 2" should just be a part of Gran Turismo 6 (Not 5, if they tried to fit it in, it would take forever). The development of Tourist Trophy "detracts" from the development of GT the same, regardless of whether it's included as a part of the Gran Turismo series or released as it's own separate entity.
If Polyphony is working on TT2, and they decide to conjoin it with their GT segment once both the GT and TT segments are both finished, it wouldn't compromise the car count, bike count, or physics. It would just be GT6+TT2 in one awesome wrapper named after the more well-known of the two franchises.
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- Treviglio
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GT stands for 'Grand Touring' - Gran Turismo = 'Grand Touring'💡
If we were to play by your narrow minded rules, then we would have no F1 cars in GT5 as they are not GT cars DOH!
We have GT bikes in real life too you know!
Bikes would be a wonderful addition to GT5 as long as it did not take away anything from the rest of the game. I am a bike rider and loved TT, and the thought of mixing it up with sports cars on the Nurburgring (as in real life) would be a real draw for me. PGR4 does it, and it is a fun game, but only a shallow arcade game with unrealistic vehicle handling.
Bikes and cars not meant to be on the track together, yes in real life as it is dangerous, but this is a COMPUTER game and everything and anything is possible.
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