Motorcycles in GT5?

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You want bikes in GT5?

  • Yeah, that would rock!

    Votes: 55 32.2%
  • Hell no! GT is about cars!

    Votes: 99 57.9%
  • Don't care..

    Votes: 17 9.9%

  • Total voters
    171
  • Poll closed .
I completely understand your trying to be open minded and would love to embrace the idea of bikes being in GT but if I'm 100% honest, if PD included bikes and they were racing against the cars that would probably single handedly put me off buying GT for the first time in the series history.

You say that the two games are less cool seperately, I on the other hand think it's the other way round. There is nothing cool about smashing a bike and it's rider into a barrier as it tries to over take you out of a corner. GT is cool becuase of the way it focuses on cars, the way it's presented, the love for cars that comes through the development team and into the game. Including bikes would distract that cool from the cars, sure bikes are cool but bikes arn't cool compared to cars or if your a bike person it's the other way round. Gran Turismo is a car game and I know and I understand that games have allowed cars and bikes to compete in the past, but that doesn't make them cool or fun.

The whole idea of cars racing bikes together is just out of the question when it comes to any kind of serious car racing regardless of it being some fantasy modified road car against a GT car or a real life race with real life rules. The two don't compliment each other in any way, and in any race, unless the bike starts ahead and stays a decent distance from the nearest car, the car wins. It's simple science, the car will win in any colision and motorsport allows and features contact. Including bikes throws the balance in this respect way out of the window it changes the way you have to approach the game and how you drive in the game. It will seriousely change the nature of GT and not in a way that I personally view as progress for the series.

Regardless of your constant comments that GT doesn't simulate real life motorsports, you never see car a racing car b in real life etc, you are still missing the point that they are all still cars. No matter what combiantion of vehicles you line up on the grid in GT you are always racing a car against another car and that is how it should be.

Even from a marketing point of view the idea doesn't make sense, why would PD kill off one brand to merge it with an already successful one that doesn't need anything merging with it to succeed. They wouldn't.

Gran Turismo is a word heavilly linked with the spirit of driving and even though Gran Turismo is only a name, it embodies what the series is about. Driving, not riding.


EDIT: I find it odd that your saying "lets not bicker" in one post than your being confrontational and argumenative in your next.
 
"GT does attempt to imitate real life"

but does it really?
how many of the events in GT simulate an event in real life?
how many events in GT are run in real life under the same circumstances with the same vehicles?

serious question..
 
So just because the actual events don't take place in real life, bikes should be included?

Edit: Nothing wrong with the odd cars that they including (other then not being able to use them in actual races), they were fun to mess around with. Course they are still CARS so don't see what you're getting at...(and yes I'm not Dave but I'm still answering anyways!)
 
Out of interest Dave...

how did you feel about PD including curiosities like the 3 wheeled wooden merc?
how about the nike 2030 concept?
..
 
I guess the main point is that there are already other games for that kind of monkey play. GT does attempt to imitate real life and most of us would like it to stay that way. I find that If PD would spend time on bikes for GT5 it would take away from other things that could improve the car driving experience.

Exactly,
Ive pretty much stated the same thing o'so long ago.
I just think some dont consider how much work and time goes into one single vehicle.
Instead of them adding 200 bikes to GT5 id actaully rather see them add 200 more cars, more tracks, 3d animated parts etc.
Vise versa for Tourist Trophy

oh I didn't realize you worked for PD Soprano..... my bad...
whats that? you dont? your just a dude like rest of us speculating on the internet? ..

ohhh, but you have the power to end a thread by decreeing that the answer is NO...
right ... ok..
... for some reason that avatar picture really suits you.. its a good choice.. i like it..


No you're right I did'nt get the job at PD.
Lol seriously im just stating the obvious. Do you actually think there will be bikes in GT5.
If so we may have alot more waiting to do. The thread is actually a debate "not bicker" on rather you would want bikes in GT5 not "will they be in GT5".



O'yea.., "Shake and Bake!"


Edit: Well stated Dave A.
The things is the 3 wheeled car and the Nike car are indeed.., CARS.
GT4 is a car enthusiast game so you can expect it to have these type of novelties.
In my personal experience it had cars ive seen before but never expected to be
in a video game. For example a Model-T Ford, '66 Bluebird 1600 SSS, or a '49 Beetle.
Ive always wondered how those cars feel and what they're like from behind a wheel.
Now I know thanks to GT4 "The Worlds Leading Driving Simulator" and Yamauchi and his
dedication as a CAR enthusiast.
 
So just because the actual events don't take place in real life, bikes should be included?

no, my point is that people arguing that they shouldnt be because people dont regularly run bike vs car races every sunday are strawmaning..

GT has never been a straight up and down motorsport simulation...

hell, they are including the Top Gear test track...
british tv has run a number of bike vs car mini races...
bam.. simulating reality right there... unlike most of the other events in GT..
 
Alright lets try this a different way, why put bikes in a game where the last 4 versions didn't have bikes?
 
Out of interest Dave...

how did you feel about PD including curiosities like the 3 wheeled wooden merc?
how about the nike 2030 concept?
..
The 3 wheeled wooden Merc was a car, I didn't mind that being in the game even though I never tried it more than once. The 2030 was intersting but I didn't like it being in the game. But regardless of my opinions of both of thoes, they are both still cars. While I am interested in the idea of a certain bike v car race, I don't think that Gran Turismo would be a good avenue to explore that idea. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand where you are coming from form a broad and open perspective, but at the same time, you could be open to any idea but that doesn't make them beneficial or a good.

GT isn't about bikes, it's about cars and it has always been about cars, conceptual or not. There was an idea floated a year or two back about including horses in GT, ofcourse the idea is absured but how many more steps on from including bikes is it. Once you've included bikes you've already diluted the car portion of the game, which is what the game is supposed to be about. You've already moved away from the games principals, so whats to stop you taking another step away, and another, until eventually youre springing along the final furlong with a Yamaha on your left and an Impreza on your right.

Ofcourse that's an extreme exageration, I know the chances of PD going that far is so low it's almost impossible. But the principal is there, horses would be stupid against cars, imo in Gran Turismos sand box, so would bikes.
 
"GT does attempt to imitate real life"

but does it really?
how many of the events in GT simulate an event in real life?
how many events in GT are run in real life under the same circumstances with the same vehicles?

serious question..


Over 50% of GT would be scrapped if it was based on real life races. There is no racing league anywhere that will let you race factory produced cars against each other with no roll cages and other safety gear. At least no sanctioned or national races. We would be limited to test drives on race tracks for non race cars
 
its called GT... so what, its a brand name, not a rule book... brands change, brands expand..

And brands get diluted...

Soon we'll have people asking for trucks, horses, soapboxes, trains, boats, planes and every single thing you can possibly race....all under the GT brand name.

We don't need a Project Gotham Racing for Playstation, people.
 
Well it has 4 wheels and it is an actual race....I'm sure some people are down with that...:rolleyes:

how cool would it be hotlapping around the nurburgring online... cars and bikes, all mixing it up... It would actually be a more realistic scenario than 90% of the events currently in GT...
which are utter nonsense and dont simulate any real event in motorsports..

Not cool at all. I'm not sure if you're aware, but cars and bikes are not competition for each other. No serious racing event is out there "mixing it up" with bikes and cars at the same time.

Now, how is something that has never been done before "more realistic" than the "JGTC Championship" or the "GT World Championship", both events based on series that actually happen IN REAL LIFE?
 
Theres also the British Touring Car cup, The Miata Enduro, and more that I cant list off the top of my head.
The question I have is, how exactly would the different series be any closer to realistic if motorcycles were involved?
 
Now, how is something that has never been done before "more realistic" than the "JGTC Championship" or the "GT World Championship", both events based on series that actually happen IN REAL LIFE?

I take it you don't know much about the Ring? It's a public track that both cars and bikes are allowed to go on... AT THE SAME TIME... and 'hot lap' almost any day of the year. Not to race each other, but to challenge themselves and have a good time.
 
quoting a contentless post from the previous page is a contribution...?
clearly the standards of discussion here are lower than ive come to expect from other forums....

.. but lets not bicker...

how about we talk about the screens you posted earlier..
specifically the one of the caparo and the MV...
how is this not an interesting scenario?
sure, those 2 monsters on the snow is asking for a mess, but apart from that its interesting... id like to see how things would fare..
which is faster off the line? what sorts of tracks favor one or the other? its a game, these sorts of comparisons are fun.. nobody is going to get hurt..

as long GT and TT are separate we cant find out.. both games are LESS cool and interesting as a result... why do we want either to be LESS cool and interesting?

Have you ever riden a motorbike?

I ask cause everything your saying is utter nonsense.
 
Have you ever riden a motorbike?

I ask cause everything your saying is utter nonsense.


By this quote below I'd say that he has...or so he would lead us to believe.

It’s strange that he argues that GT has a fault by not having realistic races but yet he wants to perpetuate the non-realism by adding bikes and cars on the track at the same time.


but as anyone who as ridden a bike knows, they are perfectly capable of blasting up and down bumpy public roads at insane speeds...
 
"but as anyone who as ridden a bike knows, they are perfectly capable of blasting up and down bumpy public roads at insane speeds..."

:lol:

Ive been on a bike before but not once did I think it was "perfectley capable" to "blast" down the streets at a "insane speed" on Detroits bumpy ass roads or any road for that matter.
 
Puppeteer, you're really a pain in the neck.
Now now, I know they arn't strong words but it's baiting all the same. Just because we're disagreeing with him and the logic behind his reasoning doesn't mean we should start to get personal. Once again I know calling someone ia pain in the neck isn't bad, but I can see where this is heading.

And UnoMOTO, good point.
 
I say absolutely NO!
I can´t see any point of having bikes at all, at least not vs. cars in a race. Cars are faster than bikes around a track, simply because they can corner much faster. So having bikes racing cars is utterly pointless.
IF, and this is a big if, they include bikes, they should be separated from the cars, so that they can´t race eachother.
 
By this quote below I'd say that he has...or so he would lead us to believe.

It’s strange that he argues that GT has a fault by not having realistic races but yet he wants to perpetuate the non-realism by adding bikes and cars on the track at the same time.

i saw that post and well........I still don't think he has.

"GT has a fault by not having realistic races" ????

*EXPLAIN*
 
i saw that post and well........I still don't think he has.

"GT has a fault by not having realistic races" ????

*EXPLAIN*

I was just repeating the thought that puppeteer had started with this comment...

It would actually be a more realistic scenario than 90% of the events currently in GT...
which are utter nonsense and dont simulate any real event in motorsports..
 
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