Motorcycles in GT6?

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I don't know if they should even ATTEMPT to bring bikes back.
TT was so horrible in terms of physics that they would have to totally change the game engine. You couldn't even power wheelie a DR-Z400. :(

The physics were "horrible" because GT4's physics were horrible. Not bad for a first attempt, though. I'd like to see them have another crack of the whip.
 
PD / Sony need to outsource and / or employ more people.

If I was Sony I forced Kaz to do that. A lot of potential wasted, Tourist Trophy 2 could be a leading game in it's genre or a very good expansion for GT. I agree cars and bikes can't race toghether but some trackdays? Yes of course, like in real life.

But PD need much more efficency, or this is going to be just a forum discussion.
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7321296#post7321296


I'm aware of what section and thread I'm in, I still don't understand what you where trying to say in the paragraph other then posting in a presumptuous manor that bikes will be in gt6.

I guess if I added the words at the front "IF bikes where in gt6 ...."
That's basically what I meant.

GT6/TT was a way for me to say Bikes in/for GT6. I wasn't saying anything about them definitely being in the next GT or that that's what the title of the game should be.


So it's speculation based on game that started being developed 9 years ago. That's centuries in gaming, and quality standards are not the same in any aspect whatsoever. Try again.
I'm waiting...

The "answer's" really simple.
 
You're forgetting that if they make bikes, they make bikes. What difference, in terms of "taking time away from cars", does that have if those bikes appear in a separate game or in GT proper?

EDIT: @mjm23race: No, there was never any official confirmation of a TT sequel. But Kaz has made noises to the effect (that he was pleased with its popularity), and of course there was the original GT:HD idea which would have included the bikes and cars in the same game.

It's about development time and allocation of resources. PD says they are really stepping up their development of GT6 right now. If they are devoted to that, then fine.

After they're finished, or at least at a point where they feel the majority of the work is done, then maybe they can start on a TT:2 and do some work on bikes. Until then, why should bikes be a concern? The car count for GT6 needs some serious help.
 
It's about development time and allocation of resources. PD says they are really stepping up their development of GT6 right now. If they are devoted to that, then fine.

After they're finished, or at least at a point where they feel the majority of the work is done, then maybe they can start on a TT:2 and do some work on bikes. Until then, why should bikes be a concern? The car count for GT6 needs some serious help.

So you're assuming totally sequential development? Or is that just some desperate hope?

The car count will be fine, and bikes will be a "concern" if PD deem them so. There's no need to be selfish or quite so anxious about it.
 
MSTER232
You're not going to see a motorcycle in Gran Turismo 6, because the series have always been dedicated to cars. If you want bikes then the only thing you can do is hope that PD will make Tourist Trophy 2.

+1

Merely your opinion.

Things evolve, and adding bikes might be pd's and gt's natural progression. Might have to get used to it. I grin thinking about it.
 
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It's about development time and allocation of resources. PD says they are really stepping up their development of GT6 right now. If they are devoted to that, then fine.

After they're finished, or at least at a point where they feel the majority of the work is done, then maybe they can start on a TT:2 and do some work on bikes. Until then, why should bikes be a concern? The car count for GT6 needs some serious help.

I was unaware that you and others were in charge by committee of what pd works on and the order of when they are allowed to do so. Interesting
 
Merely your opinion.

Things evolve, and adding bikes might be pd's and gt's natural progression. Might have to get used to it.
I'm doubtful that PD would willingly make themselves deal with the logistical problems putting bikes in a GT game would cause when making a game dedicated to the concept would be easier and (for lack of a better term) more appreciated.
 
It's hard to say which approach would be better, maybe it could be an expansion pack with standalone capability after GT6 lands; best of both worlds.

There is the issue of the impending platform change, which may mean motorcycles will end up closely associated with GT6 in some way. They may have time for a separate release, but it'd be a shame for the second TT game to be largely ignored, too (assuming it's coming that soon).

The "logistical" problems are nothing in comparison to the attitude issue, though. We already have separate DLC and its attendant logistics, and there's a splash menu with lots of pretty buttons on it to separate the two games out properly, but in the same game.
 
The "logistical" problems are nothing in comparison to the attitude issue, though. We already have separate DLC and its attendant logistics, and there's a splash menu with lots of pretty buttons on it to separate the two games out properly, but in the same game.
I know. That's what I meant by "more appreciated." But honestly, when PD already has a franchise dedicated to motorcycles and GT6 discussion is at a fever pitch, I honestly don't see why the attitude against them being included has no merit.

And if the first game was largely ignored (which is honestly something I know little about), isn't it possible that it is because people just don't care about a motorcycle racing game compared to car racing, regardless of who makes it?
 
I know. That's what I meant by "more appreciated." But honestly, when PD already has a franchise dedicated to motorcycles and GT6 discussion is at a fever pitch, I honestly don't see why the attitude against them being included has no merit.

And if the first game was largely ignored (which is honestly something I know little about), isn't it possible that it is because people just don't care about a motorcycle racing game compared to car racing, regardless of who makes it?
I'd contemplate not buying a pure racing game made by PD. It'd have to have something new/amazing for me to want to buy it. If it's an all NASCAR game, I would not buy it. I won't buy Tourist Trophy 2 either. You know what I mean. It became less and less appealing to me.
 
I know. That's what I meant by "more appreciated." But honestly, when PD already has a franchise dedicated to motorcycles and GT6 discussion is at a fever pitch, I honestly don't see why the attitude against them being included has no merit.

And if the first game was largely ignored (which is honestly something I know little about), isn't it possible that it is because people just don't care about a motorcycle racing game compared to car racing, regardless of who makes it?

Ah, no, maybe what you meant was "less unappreciated". ;)
The possibility of them not being included in GT proper is perfectly acceptable, and that's not the issue. The issue is being told what GT is or isn't, as usual.

I think TT was "ignored" because it seemingly materialised out of nowhere. I only heard about it months after its release! Because it was an experiment of sorts, PD couldn't really call it GT with bikes, because there were key differences. That doesn't have to apply going forward.

Anyway, isn't that one of GT's lasting achievements, that it's drawn a large crowd of somewhat casual players into something that takes itself, and its subject matter, fairly seriously?
It might well be a cultural / perception thing; motorcycles aren't really revered by "car guys", in fact it's usually the exact opposite, in an almost tribal way (the same is probably true in reverse). GT including bikes, and doing it properly, could help to change all that - that'd be something.

Although I'd quite like both games in one place, I do think a separate TT game is the most sensible thing to do, but you never know with PD. They can see a lot further ahead than we can.
 
I don't agree with this thread mainly because it's always been a car based game. If I wanted to play a game with cars and bikes I would purchase the new GTAV when it comes out.
 
Gwandlaus
I don't agree with this thread mainly because it's always been a car based game. If I wanted to play a game with cars and bikes I would purchase the new GTAV when it comes out.

As said above, things change, things evolve. Expand your horizons and get used to that fact.

Maybe you guys can band together and start an "I want cars in GT6" thread.
 
Saying that GT has always been a "cars" game is a mute argument. You could say the same thing to Midnight Club, Project Gothem, Burnout Paradise, etc. Yes, they're more in the street/arcade element, but the point is they were all just a "cars" only game.

If GT was only a "cars" game, it probably wouldn't have Karts or F1s. You can say, well they're 4 wheelers, but what would be wrong with 2 wheelers, if they're gonna be running on the same physics engine as do Karts or F1s? If you can race it on the ROAD, why not include it? Because of what we "might" think GT is suppose to be?
 
As said above, things change, things evolve. Expand your horizons and get used to that fact.

Maybe you guys can band together and start an "I want cars in GT6" thread.

Yeah, good one.

Unless I've missed it I still haven't seen the benefits to adding bikes to GT6 rather than creating a separate game.
 
Only 2 reasons I can see, if Kaz likes bikes, or someone along the way thinks it will sell more copies. It's quite possible imo, mask all the shortcomings of gt5 with some extra gimmicks on top of a still plagued gt6.
 
SimonK
Yeah, good one.

Unless I've missed it I still haven't seen the benefits to adding bikes to GT6 rather than creating a separate game.

I understand there are people out there that don't want bikes, don't understand them, and don't understand their benefit. I highly doubt me or anyone else is going to change your perspective. That is fine, but in my eyes it is a good idea and I think the reasons have been covered quite well in this thread. The pros outweigh cons for sure.
 
I understand there are people out there that don't want bikes, don't understand them, and don't understand their benefit. I highly doubt me or anyone else is going to change your perspective. That is fine, but in my eyes it is a good idea and I think the reasons have been covered quite well in this thread. The pros outweigh cons for sure.

Which are?
 
I know. That's what I meant by "more appreciated." But honestly, when PD already has a franchise dedicated to motorcycles and GT6 discussion is at a fever pitch, I honestly don't see why the attitude against them being included has no merit.

And if the first game was largely ignored (which is honestly something I know little about), isn't it possible that it is because people just don't care about a motorcycle racing game compared to car racing, regardless of who makes it?

This. Why muddy the waters? GT6 really needs to build on GT5 and be a step above. Taking time out to work in motorcycles is precisely that. Taking out time. It would just be a shame to measure GT6 and have it come up short because of such a departure.
 
I hope they add bikes to GT6 even as an expansion or DLC, they already had a handful ready for GT5 (From GT HD screenshots) and heaps of bikes are already modeled and ready from Tourist Trophy and just need a little work.

Reminded me Tourist Trophy can be played at 1080i on ps2.. Just scored a copy on ebay for $5usd with free postage WW (They have loads in stock too).
 
They won't add bikes. They're too focused on making the cars look like perfection (I read that from an article before gt5 came out) what makes you think theyre going to find the time to make a load of bikes? You have to think about space on the disk let alone the console to run it?

A lot of you want a freeroam (which I think is a good idea.. But I don't see that happening either)

You can dream, but in reality, they're too focused on making the game based around cars, making sure the game is perfection in their eyes so you get tonnes of enjoyment out of it.

So what if it's cliche that I mentioned GTAV.. You know it's true.
 
This. Why muddy the waters? GT6 really needs to build on GT5 and be a step above. Taking time out to work in motorcycles is precisely that. Taking out time. It would just be a shame to measure GT6 and have it come up short because of such a departure.

It's not like PD needs to go all out to make GT6 better than GT5. The problem with GT5 wasn't lack a of resources, but just terrible management. I don't think adding motorcycles will have much of a negative effect.

They won't add bikes. They're too focused on making the cars look like perfection (I read that from an article before gt5 came out) what makes you think theyre going to find the time to make a load of bikes? You have to think about space on the disk let alone the console to run it?
There is no need to make excuses for them. Their perfection seeking has given us a game with plenty of corner cuts. Hopefully at this point they know it and they should be unwilling to repeat the same mistakes.


So what if it's cliche that I mentioned GTAV.. You know it's true.

It's not true because there is no reason to go to another game when GT can be improved, and we don't even know what GT6 will have anyway.
 
Motorcycles in GT6? Yes, of course!

Why not? It doesn`t need a mixed mode were cars race bikes.

What I like about GT5 is that there is always something new or different I can try out online.
- Supercar races? Check
- DTM/GT500? Check
- Prototypes? Check
- Group C? Check
- Group B/WRC? Check
- Everyday cars? Check
- Karts? Check
- Classics? Checks

I would gladly welcome motorcycles, aslong as we get a decent bike list which not only includes Yamahas/Hondas/Suzukis/Kawasakis but also newer Ducatis/MV Agustas/Aprilias/BMWs/Triumphs.

Good thing is, they can youse the TT bikes too and there was already a... uhm sry don`t know the right word, cockpit view in TT! And most bikes sounded awesome in TT ;)
 
Motorcycles have their own games like MotoGP and i think they don't belong to GT6

That's like saying F1 2012 is an alternative for GT5, the original TT was different for including road bikes as well as racing bikes, basically a GT-game for bikes.
When mentioning bikes being included everyone seems to imagine it only ending up in Hayabusa versus Veyron, or Gallardo versus Ducati 1098 battles or whatever but forgetting the variety and diversity offered in the bike list of the original TT, nevermind the fact they could be separated completely within their own gamemode.

What Griffith500 mentioned about bridging the gap between car guys and bike aficionados is something that I unfortunately don't see happening on a large scale due to combining the two.
I'd describe myself more as a car guy generally with only a passing interest in bikes but when I heard a PD game with bikes got released I bought it as soon as possible and loved every bit of it, and actually got more interested in bikes as a result.

But then again I'm not narrowminded by nature (and was actually coincidentally looking for a bike sim just before TT was released) and when I saw the same level of detail and general approach I appreciated in GT-games being applied to a different genre than cars made it easy for me to broaden my initial expectations of what a GT-title in essence constitutes, that it could also include things like bikes in one game (but the again I can also envision it including big rigs).

But to be honest, I also think bike versus car battles on a track are a bit too gimmicky (yet fun) to be taken serious, although that doesn't mean I oppose it.
Now if we're talking free roam....that's another discussion perhaps.
 
14 posts into the thread that you started and you still haven't bothered explaining why we should. May we see your inside information?
Much like everyone else here I have no insider information. Here are the pros and cons as I see it for adding motorcycles to GT6.

Pros:
Adds a whole new dimension to the game. If you never rode or raced a bike in real life or in a game before, it is actually really fun and very challenging. You might find that it it something you enjoy if you try it out. If it is all done well, it would be yet 1 more thing to crush the competition.

It could add a new group of people that wouldn't normally purchase GT6. That boosts sales, generates more revenue, allows PD to have more resources to work with which benefits all of us in the long run. IE being able to staff more people and being able to provide more DLC in a timeliy manner.

They have already done motorcycle physics, and have a very good baseline to start from.

They already have the licensing for all the tracks they are going to use, and the marketing and distribution is all in place too. Seems foolish to do everything twice just to have 2 seperate titles. Would be much more effective to simply include bikes, and they would also be able to benefit from the extra hype.

Would also add to the offline aspect of the game by allowing more content quite easily. Example you could have a-spec historic race series, m-spec historic race series, and then possibly some sort of mixed historic race series. They could essentially triple the content with very little effort.


Cons:
Possibly taking modeling time away from everyones precious premium cars. Who knows what PD does with their time and resources, and what they have done since GT5 was released. Kind of a mute point because no one really knows how long things really take, and what their priorities are. PD is in charge of what they do and when. We will always get whatever they decide to give us, and on their schedule. No one here will ever change what PD does by making a forum post.

In general, just time away from other things in game. Again it is really up to PD to work on what they feel is top priority, and important to them. It's not their first rodeo, they actually know what they are doing.

Yeah, good one.

Unless I've missed it I still haven't seen the benefits to adding bikes to GT6 rather than creating a separate game.
See above

This. Why muddy the waters? GT6 really needs to build on GT5 and be a step above. Taking time out to work in motorcycles is precisely that. Taking out time. It would just be a shame to measure GT6 and have it come up short because of such a departure.
If you really think adding motorcycles is a reason GT6 could possibly come up short, then I think you are kidding yourself. That would mean there are much bigger problems!

They won't add bikes. They're too focused on making the cars look like perfection (I read that from an article before gt5 came out) what makes you think theyre going to find the time to make a load of bikes? You have to think about space on the disk let alone the console to run it?

A lot of you want a freeroam (which I think is a good idea.. But I don't see that happening either)

You can dream, but in reality, they're too focused on making the game based around cars, making sure the game is perfection in their eyes so you get tonnes of enjoyment out of it.

So what if it's cliche that I mentioned GTAV.. You know it's true.
They can still have perfection even with motorcycles, beleive it or not!

Motorcycles have their own games like MotoGP and i think they don't belong to GT6
So does Nascar, Rally, and F1 but they decided to add all of that as well to broaden their game. Have you ever played any of the "Motorcycle" games that are available? I am guessing not. The physics of the games mentioned are AWFUL! PD has already done bike physics that were quite playable and enjoyable. The phrase "They don't belong" is simply your opinion. And just like everyone else here, you are entitled to your opinion but that doesnt make it right.
 
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