Motorcycles in GT6?

[another_jakhole]

Time constraints. It's going to be hard enough for PD just to get all of the cars people want, and no doubt there will be plenty of people disappointed with the car count/selection regardless of their efforts. No need to make things even worse because PD took time away from cars to put some bikes in the game.

That's just not a very good argument. We're not asking for a complete bike game within GT5. And bikes don't have interior views

 

[Samus]

Here you go SimonK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VYpOFimB7ZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Man0X0bf8vk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Qfy1VO4ePlA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S271Jw0prCc
You could even do time trials like this one, that would be nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uDtrAE964_g

I wouldn't call any of that competitive racing personally. They were controlled tests and 1v1, that's not how bikes and cars would go in a GT game.

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

I wouldn't call any of that competitive racing personally. They were controlled tests and 1v1, that's not how bikes and cars would go in a GT game.

It could be restricted to that for car vs. motorcycles...

 

[Samus]

It could be restricted to that for car vs. motorcycles...

So then what's the point?

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

So then what's the point?

....motorcycles in GT6...
There would be motorcycles racing motorcycles as well.

 

[mjm23race]

Holy cow, I guess haters just gonna hate!

Who's to say you (you know who I am talking about) are ever going to have to interact with motorcycles within GT? Honestly never seen NASCAR, rally car, F1, or drift cars forced upon anyone, or intermingled in races. I for one am not a fan of any of those disciplines, but they make the game more appealing to a broader audience and make the game better overall so who cares. I have no issue with there being cars or series in GT that I personally do not enjoy.

PD has already made arguably the best car and the best bike sim on the playstation. I for one hope they do blow everyone's minds and include both in GT6 as it seems to make perfect sense to myself and many others! I will be chuckling inside when it becomes reality and the haters all are crying on each others shoulders about it.

 

[Samus]

You really can't take any differing opinions, huh? We're not "haters", we're just giving you our opinion. I've not seen anyone directly slate bikes.

But anyway, what way could they include bikes in GT6 so that people not interested don't have to interact with them?

 

[1241Penguin]

PD has already made arguably the best car and the best bike sim on the playstation. I for one hope they do blow everyone's minds and include both in GT6 as it seems to make perfect sense to myself and many others! I will be chuckling inside when it becomes reality and the haters all are crying on each others shoulders about it.

There are problems with the "car part" of GT5. As Spaghetti69 pointed out, as soon as they sort that out, then go for the bikes by all means. Reason being that GT started out as a car game, so it only makes sense for the car part to be complete before they move on to something else.

As I've said in other thread (something you seemed to have completely ignored), if PD tries to do too many things at once, nothing will turn out right.

 

[Exorcet]

So then what's the point?

So that people who want to can. There doesn't have to be a FIA car vs bike championship. I would expect that the only bike vs car races would be for fun rooms online, unless we also get to create events.

But anyway, what way could they include bikes in GT6 so that people not interested don't have to interact with them?

That's pretty trivial. Bikes would basically be like rally mode. And in online, don't enter rooms that allow bikes (hopefully something so significant will at least become a search filter in GT6 should bikes be included).

 

[Samus]

But in that case I don't see the logic in combining the two, why not just have a dedicated bike game?

 

[mjm23race]

You really can't take any differing opinions, huh? We're not "haters", we're just giving you our opinion. I've not seen anyone directly slate bikes.

But anyway, what way could they include bikes in GT6 so that people not interested don't have to interact with them?

Quite contrary, I can take varying opinions just fine. But a lot of those opinions seem to come off a bit elitist. Everyone here has opinions about how GT works for them, or can be improved based on their own agenda. Opinions are just that, opinions. I am just surprised by the people that are so against something that really shouldn't affect them if they so choose.

I don't see anyway that any player would be forced to interact with bikes within GT. As I said earlier I am not a fan of the Nascars in GT5, but I have never been forced to drive them in a or bspec, and have never interaced with them online. I am sure PD would be sensitive that not everyone would love bikes as well as others, and would make them optional and not mandatory.

 

[mjm23race]

But in that case I don't see the logic in combining the two, why not just have a dedicated bike game?

Same game engine, same tracks, and the option to ride or drive whatever you like would equal lots of extra $$ for PD to give us more content more quickly and would also equal unequalled fun!

 

[Exorcet]

But in that case I don't see the logic in combining the two, why not just have a dedicated bike game?

Expenses for PD, the ability to race/free run/whatever cars and bikes at once for players. GT Mode or whatever they will call it is one small part of the game, cars and bikes don't have to interact there just as rally cars and road cars usually don't.

 

[Jerwin]

I don't think driving a bike with a wheel would feel right.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

I don't think driving a bike with a wheel would feel right.

What? You don't have a sim rig built for MotoGP racing? Lol.

But I do agree. They obviously know how to do it (TT). I just personally never got into racing bikes with a controller. The thrill just isn't there.

I wouldn't complain if they added them... MotoGP 800cc bikes vs GT class cars anyone? Freaking epic!

 

[mjm23race]

I don't think driving a bike with a wheel would feel right.

No it wouldn't. I have heard people say that before. I play gt5 with a g27 wheel, and it would never occur to me to play a bike sim with a wheel. It feels natural and correct using a pad.

 

[FormulaKimball]

I would say NO to bikes in GT6, and that's coming from someone who loves MotoGP and is a motorcycle riding enthusiast (I learned how to ride on an old Honda CM400 when I was 12 or 13).

Two reasons - one, the frequently mentioned reason of resources/time constraints - there are too many other things we expect to be accomplished in the GT6 release without having to add a whole other mode of racing to it; and two, how would we even "ride" given that many of us are playing with a wheel and don't want to go back to using a controller? I would not want another whole section of the game required for 100% completion that would effectively be kinda pointless for a lot of people (like B-Spec).

 

[avens]

Lets now discuss about a powerboat simulator.

 

[kubik94cz]

Definitely want bikes. Hayabusa turbo would be epic.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Motorcycles really should remain in Tourist Trophy.

 

[1241Penguin]

I am just surprised by the people that are so against something that really shouldn't affect them if they so choose.

Other than the few posts in the first page of this thread explaining why it'd be a bad idea? Something you seemed to have completely ignored again? 💡

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Holy cow, I guess haters just gonna hate!

Who's to say you (you know who I am talking about) are ever going to have to interact with motorcycles within GT? Honestly never seen NASCAR, rally car, F1, or drift cars forced upon anyone, or intermingled in races. I for one am not a fan of any of those disciplines, but they make the game more appealing to a broader audience and make the game better overall so who cares. I have no issue with there being cars or series in GT that I personally do not enjoy.

PD has already made arguably the best car and the best bike sim on the playstation. I for one hope they do blow everyone's minds and include both in GT6 as it seems to make perfect sense to myself and many others! I will be chuckling inside when it becomes reality and the haters all are crying on each others shoulders about it.

We are not hating. The reality is the more they add to the GT series, the less they complete, or the more they have to take away. There is only so much that can be put into a game for the PS3. GT5 already has so much in it that they were not even able to finish the game. Just way too restricted on the PS3. Not even close. So bikes staying in Tourist Trophy is a much better idea. Trying to stuff 2 different games into 1 game is only going to degrade the quality.

 

[mjm23race]

I am not exactly sure what you are saying? If you are saying people don't want motorcycles because it distracts from other things that are more important to some people getting completed first. I get that, like I said everyone has different things that are most important to them personally for gt. My point that I think gets ignored is that, any part of GT that isn't your cup of tea should just be ignored by that player. Move on with other areas of the game that do interest you.

 

[mjm23race]

We are not hating. The reality is the more they add to the GT series, the less they complete, or the more they have to take away. There is only so much that can be put into a game for the PS3. GT5 already has so much in it that they were not even able to finish the game. Just way too restricted on the PS3. Not even close. So bikes staying in Tourist Trophy is a much better idea. Trying to stuff 2 different games into 1 game is only going to degrade the quality.

Or they could just eliminate some of the things they have half finished. And add motorcycles, which they have already done quite well in the past.

Sorry I don't know how to multi-quote on my phone.

Maybe they should just wait til turn10 does it before them and does it better and then copy them.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I am not exactly sure what you are saying? If you are saying people don't want motorcycles because it distracts from other things that are more important to some people getting completed first. I get that, like I said everyone has different things that are most important to them personally for gt. My point that I think gets ignored is that, any part of GT that isn't your cup of tea should just be ignored by that player. Move on with other areas of the game that do interest you.

I have nothing against motorcycles at all. I personally would love to have motorcycles in GT6. BUT with PDs track record, they would mess something up on the motorcyles, or mess something up with all the vehicles in the game. PD has clearly shown they dont do well adding features to their game. They always have to remove something, or degrade the quality of something else. If they do add something, it wont even be close to finished when they release the game. History always repeats itself with the GT series. Or in the example of GT5, it actually does some things worse than the previous titles.

The general rule of thumb with the GT series is that if they add something, they will have to remove something else.

Or they could just eliminate some of the things they have half finished. And add motorcycles, which they have already done quite well in the past.

Sorry I don't know how to multi-quote on my phone.

Maybe they should just wait til turn10 does it before them and does it better and then copy them.

I agree. Remove the 800 standard cars, horns, and paint chips. If they cant finish a car, dont put it into the game. Points at standard cars.

 

[zr1chris]

I don't mind it being in the same game. Just keep it in a separate section. M-Spec??

 

[VQuick]

That's just not a very good argument. We're not asking for a complete bike game within GT5. And bikes don't have interior views

Really?? Time spent on bikes is time not spent on cars.

We're looking at a car count of well under 300 premiums thus far, even with the DLC that's been released. How about we work on increasing that before doing something extraneous like motorcycles?

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

really?? Time spent on bikes is time not spent on cars.

We're looking at a car count of well under 300 premiums thus far, even with the dlc that's been released. How about we work on increasing that before doing something extraneous like motorcycles?

Exactly. After what 6-7 years later and still only about 20% of the cars are premium. They need to focus on either removing the standards or actually convert the standards to premiums.

 

[another_jakhole]

Really?? Time spent on bikes is time not spent on cars.

We're looking at a car count of well under 300 premiums thus far, even with the DLC that's been released. How about we work on increasing that before doing something extraneous like motorcycles?

Whaa? What I meant was, it won't take as long as to model a bike, since most of the detail and time spent on cars is due to their interiors.


300 Premiums? This is the GT6 section.

Exactly. After what 6-7 years later and still only about 20% of the cars are premium. They need to focus on either removing the standards or actually convert the standards to premiums.

That's all obvious though. And this isn't about GT5.

 

[avens]

Modelling a bike is as hard if not harder than modelling a car. Not only that, they would need to re-work a portion of the physics and deal with hundreds of upcoming issues just to add something that won't be considered as content by lots of customers.

Prefer having that time and resources going into everything PD couldn't finish in 6 years, for example 80% of cars and make full use of currently available licenses.