Here's the crash at speed.
This past fortnight has seen a lot of bad crashes unfortunately
Interesting point by Antonio Felix da Costa. Almost echoing Villeneuve’s statements that young drivers today don’t have enough respect for the danger involved in what they do. Video games and paved runoff have created a culture where drivers try to keep their foot in it, in situations where they really should be lifting.
I disagree. The mistake is what sent him wide to begin with. Instead of backing out, and going around the outside of the curb, he tried to save the lap, maintaining as much speed as possible. The curb is dumb for sure, but the driver had opportunity to drive around the outside of the it.No, it's still bollocks even if somebody other than Jacques Villeneuve thinks it. That was a driver (a young driver in a feeder series) making a mistake on the limit and running wide. It happens in every series at every level to every driver. The fault here is entirely with the placement of the sausage kerb.
I said it on this other thread and I'll say it again: it's there so you either don't go out or you go the long way around. If you're an idiot and think a 3rd way is possible, it's entirely your fault and you'll pay for it. A lot of F3 participants are really good drivers but absolutely awful racers, they lack discipline, problem-solving and other qualities needed; same happens in Moto3 for example. It's not until they get hurt, they lose a race or even the championship that they start to understand that they can't get away with everything.No, it's still bollocks even if somebody other than Jacques Villeneuve thinks it. That was a driver (a young driver in a feeder series) making a mistake on the limit and running wide. It happens in every series at every level to every driver. The fault here is entirely with the placement of the sausage kerb.
I hadn't come across this before, and aside from it being Marc Marquez in a MotoGP qualifying session I have no information about what year, what circuit etc. If anyone knows please tell me as I'd rather post a proper video than this.
Marquez crashes and runs back to the garage to hop in the spare bike:
Totally agree with you here, but maybe lay off the name calling until we know Peroni will make a full recovery.I said it on this other thread and I'll say it again: it's there so you either don't go out or you go the long way around. If you're an idiot and think a 3rd way is possible, it's entirely your fault and you'll pay for it. A lot of F3 participants are really good drivers but absolutely awful racers, they lack discipline, problem-solving and other qualities needed; same happens in Moto3 for example. It's not until they get hurt, they lose a race or even the championship that they start to understand that they can't get away with everything.
I'm sure Peroni will stop being a "moroni" after this one. Hopefully, most of the F3 grid will probably stop thinking sausage kerbs are inoffensive, that's also a positive.
If you're an idiot and think a 3rd way is possible, it's entirely your fault and you'll pay for it.
I'm sure Peroni will stop being a "moroni" after this one.
Hopefully, most of the F3 grid will probably stop thinking sausage kerbs are inoffensive, that's also a positive.
Holy a-million-swear-words
Here's the crash at speed.
Upon rewatching, it looks like the rumble strip get's destroyed when he hits it. If it hadn't exploded, he probably wouldn't have gone shuttle status.Umm... yikes!
Upon rewatching, it looks like the rumble strip get's destroyed when he hits it. If it hadn't exploded, he probably wouldn't have gone shuttle status.
Point-by-point...I disagree, the penalty for running wide should not be getting launched upside-down onto the fence. I think it's harsh that you're seemingly calling this driver an idiot?
I don't see that he was deliberately trying to gain an advantage or that he minimized the effect of the kerb in his head... an apparatus that could cause that kind of incident should not have been beside the track. But carry on blaming the driver if you like, and lets hope that a fractured vertebra remains the worst effect of the crash.
EDIT: In fact I wonder if he'd even realized exactly where it was - it doesn't look significant in this shot, and Peroni is seeing it from cockpit height and end-on.
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#1 - In aerodynamics, there's a very fine line between taking off and not taking off. It's mostly impossible to calculate it while considering the speed differential and downforce characteristics of F1, F2, F3, etc.
#2 - He definitely saw it during trackwalk, I'm sure the briefing also mentioned it. NOTHING is a surprise in a racetrack unless it happens mid-session (debris from an earlier happening) and even then radio communications exist.
#3 - Too many young racers think they're invincible, they've been brought up in such a sterile environment that they know they'll walk away with either a minor crash or nothing no matter how wrong it goes. Reality doesn't care about how confident you are.
It’s never the drivers fault. They’re just passengers.So the driver couldn't calculate that. Got you.
You're right, he should have parked and checked his notes. He's the first driver in history to err onto an off-track kerb, clearly he didn't pay attention during the trackwalk. I mean, come on, seriously?
That sounds like the sort of bollocks somebody like Jacques Villeneuve would say. There have been a lot of quotes during the last week from very very experienced drivers who say you know the risks and you go racing, you just have to switch off the danger in your head. Accidents happen, some carry better fortune than others.
Holy a-million-swear-words
The past couple of weeks there have been some bad crashes. And unfortunately, it cost the life of Anthoine, which will have an effect on motorsport for quite a while. Another example is that Indycar race at Pocono, thankfully nobody hurt. And also with Peroni at Monza last weekend. I think today, we forgot how brave these drivers. Every time they put their visor down and go racing, there is the chance they might not come back. This rare few who are greats should be seen as immortals.
Yeah both Hubert's and Keselowski's wrecks were just freak accidents. But the Citroen pile up could've been avoided and Seb at Monza was plain stupid. If either Seb or Lance got hurt. Seb might've been banned for a race or two. That's my opinion about that incident.I think the only one that will change much is the Keselowski wreck. Well Peroni's will get rid of that stupid kerb, but I think Keselowski's will work to get rid of weird angled walls on ovals, especially since he is complaining about it.
I think everyone sees Hubert's as a freak incident that probably would have been worse if things were done differently.
Yeah both Hubert's and Keselowski's wrecks were just freak accidents. But the Citroen pile up could've been avoided and Seb at Monza was plain stupid. If either Seb or Lance got hurt. Seb might've been banned for a race or two. That's my opinion about that incident.