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Bill Elliot?
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Geoff Bodine was never champion and Bill Elliott was a winner in his first full season. This man had 6 full seasons with 9 different teams before a single victory.
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Dale Earnhardt was a winner in his rookie season and champion the next so no. Dotini gets it, Dale Jarrett racked up 6 full seasons before winning the 1991 Michigan race(his 139th race) In 1999 he would become Nascar Sprint Cup Champion.
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Back in the mid to late sixties I was just beginning my avocation as an amateur racer. I took my own BMW 700S out to SCCA schooling at my local track, Pacific Raceways, Kent, Washington, and began racing at the Westwood Circuit, Port Coquitlam, BC. I borrowed a Corvette and raced it at Portland International . Also, I was able to do some testing laps in a former state-of-the-art Formula Junior serving its declining years in club racing. What was that Formula Junior I drove? Give the marque and model.
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Maybe a Lola Mk. 2?
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I was always fond of Lolas, but alas it was not a Lola. Like the Lola, the car I drove had a Cosworth modified Ford 105E rear located engine, a Renault 4 speed gearbox, tubular space frame and a sleek fiberglass body. The type was campaigned all over Europe by several famous drivers, including Jo Siffert.
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Ohhh. Lotus 20? Although I don't think the 20 or the 22 ever broke the 100 cars mark during their primary production run...
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Yes, Lotus 20. According to the chapter on the 20 in Anthony Pritchard's book, Lotus All The Cars, total production of the 20 and the 20B (USA Formula Libre and Formula B, 1498 cc and disc brakes), amounted to 118 cars. The price for the ordinary 20 in component form was £1450. Team Lotus drivers Trevor Taylor and Peter Arundell enjoyed great success with the cars during 1961.
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Ok, an easy question. What is the longest (distance covered) event ever won by the awfully underrated "Quick" Vic Elford?
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Quick Vic shared a Porsche 907 with Umberto Maglioli.
1971 Sebring, 1352 miles.
Shared a Porsche 917K with Gerard Larousse.
He got class wins in the 1967 and 1973 LeMans; 2733 miles and 2641 miles respectively.
84 hours of Nurburgring, 1967, ~9140 km!
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Correct. He won the event driving a Porsche 911R equipped with the then-new Sportomatic transmission, sharing driving duties with Jochen Neerpasch and Hans Hermann. The race was disputed from August 22nd to the 26th on the Gesamtstrecke, a combination of Nord- and Sudschleife which was 28,3 km long.
The Elford-Neerpasch-Hermann trio would lead most of the race, leaving first place only when a disk brake cracked.
Of course Quick Vic wasn't one to sit on his hands after winning the most grueling circuit race in history... Two days later, he was driving another 911 in the BSCC event at the Guards International Meeting at Brands Hatch, finishing third to Jackie Oliver and Jacky Ickx.
Those were legendary times for sportscar racing!
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Montseny, Mont Ventoux and Trento Bodone?
Wasn't he, like, the only guy racing in that class? Racing a 2800 CS when everybody was jumping on the 2002 bandwagon.
Wasn't he, like, the only guy racing in that class? Racing a 2800 CS when everybody was jumping on the 2002 bandwagon.
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You're right about Trento-Bondone, Italy. But he won the other two, so no cigar!
He won Montseny, Spain in a 2002TI, with a Ford Mustang 2nd(!). Most of the others I agree he used the bigger BMW. At least one other he won with the 2002.
Brun had competition in class from Opel, BMW 2002, Renault, Abarth, NSU, Simca, and Alfa Romeo. But yes, he essentially humiliated them. Helmut Mander and Giorgio Pianto were the other winners in class for Opel.
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84 hours! 9,140km!
I have to say, that's the longest endurance race I've ever heard of. I've never heard of anything over 24 hours.
Was it non-stop? Has there ever been a longer race?
I've known about the Sudschleife for a while now and, have even watched the videos that trace what remains on YouTube but, I didn't know there were races as recent as 1967 on the Gesamtstrecke. I thought the last time that was used was in the 1930's.
Thanks for the history lessons guys
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84 hours! 9,140km!
I have to say, that's the longest endurance race I've ever heard of. I've never heard of anything over 24 hours.
Was it non-stop? Has there ever been a longer race?
The race was called the "Marathon de la route". 84 hours on the Nürburgring Gesamtstrecke
Longest I've heard of.
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You're right about Trento-Bondone, Italy. But he won the other two, so no cigar!
He won Montseny, Spain in a 2002TI, with a Ford Mustang 2nd(!). Most of the others I agree he used the bigger BMW. At least one other he won with the 2002.
Brun had competition in class from Opel, BMW 2002, Renault, Abarth, NSU, Simca, and Alfa Romeo. But yes, he essentially humiliated them. Helmut Mander and Giorgio Pianto were the other winners in class for Opel.
Asking a relative who's been following the EHCC since the early 60s and he said he couldn't recally any BMW at the Cesana-Sestriere hillclimb race in 1971. It seems likely, as Brun had skipped the Trento-Bodone too. The victory in the Serial Car class went to the Conrero's Opel Commodore driven by Giorgio Pianta - a name which may ring a bell to the fans of FIAT and Lancia's rallying efforts.
I am going to guess and say that race 3 was Mont Dore - if only because it was the second outing of Henri Chemin's French Hemicuda, and I refuse to believe that the BMW 2800, which would've been racing in the same class, could've won against it.
(See? Making vintage liveries in Forza does teach you obscure motorsport trivia!)
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All correct! It is an honor and a privilege composing trivia for one as resourceful as yourself, Clyde.
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Likewise - although I am afraid my questions aren't as difficult (or interesting) as yours. And I must say, I am less resourceful and more lucky, hah.
The trusty old euromontagna.com archives reveal that Brun also skipped Mont Dore, which was raced under the FIA Appendix J class system and saw American Muscle dominate the Group 1 class for series-production touring cars: Chemin won the race (told you), followed by one Michel Moga driving a Ford Mustang. The rest of the hopelessly outgunned competition was racing BMW 02s, Ford Capris and Renault Gordinis, and was 20 seconds slower on the course.
This means that Brun actually went unbeaten through the 1971 EHCC season - a far cry from the extremely lackluster performance of the F1 team that bore his name.
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Now, for a more, hm, modern question.
This Italian manufacturer got its start in 1977 building dirt bikes which soon found success in the highly competitive Marche regional motocross championship.
Nowadays it enjoys incredible success in the FIM World Supermoto championship, where its factory team regularly wins against much more established brands, and it's also the most successful manufacturer in the last twenty years of kart racing.
Which manufacturer am I talking about?
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TM.
- TM supermoto
TM kart motor
Correct.
This is indeed the correct answer!
TM Racing got its start in Pesaro and was the brainchild of powerplant engineer Claudio Flenghi and frame designer Francesco Battistelli, who built their first dirt bike as a hobby; that first bike was successfully campaigned in the Marche regional MX championship in 1977 and 1978 by Gastone Serafini.
At the time this was a fiercely competitive championship, that saw the partecipation of many current and future national and world championship contenders; also in the region was disputed the "Coppa 1000 Dollari" (with a grand prix of, you guessed it!, a thousand dollars), organized by the Moto Club Settempedano which saw the partecipation of riders of the calibre of AMA Hall of Famer Roger "The Man" DeCoster.
Eventually the Serafini family would join in the ownership of the company, taking over the management of the motorbike racing programs from Battistelli; the company would turn its eye to kart engines, achieving near-immediate success and becoming the dominant manufacturer in the Formula C / KZ categories - and powering many drivers, such as Red Bull F1 driver Max Verstappen, to CIK-FIA world titles.
(Fun fact: my father took part in the 1978 regional championship, riding a Beta. The poor reliability of his ride and lack of funds meant that he collected a string of DNFs - but he also managed to nab a pole and holeshot in his home race before the engine seized and he was forced to retire)
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Oh dear, now that old geezer is going to ask something horrendously difficult again 
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When I was a schoolboy of 12 I began attending the local sports car races. It was mainly production cars plus some exotics like Ferrari and Cadillac-Allard. As it happened, my heart was stolen by the little underdog 750cc homebuilt "specials" that proliferated, usually with a FIAT or Crosley engine. One bright sunny day back in the sixties my mind (and ears) were shattered by a new, world-beating 750cc special, more kart than car, running a two-stroke 4-cylinder Mercury outboard motor through a British motorcycle gearbox. It dominated the class, setting top speeds and lap times that would last for years on the west coast. I would later go on to build a handful of unique 350cc go-karts, partly inspired by this innovative small bore racer.
Please identify, if you can.
Please identify, if you can.
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HAH! That's easy - it's the cheapest ticket ever to the Monterey Historic grid! The H-Bomb Mercury Special was built by Dan Odenborg from Oregon to race in the SCCA H Modified class, and was sold on Craiglist some years ago for 9500$. Back in the day it was incredibly effective, blowing away the competition at Laguna Seca - from what I read its design was so clever it got the car featured on Sports Car Graphic.
P.S: here's a vid of it running in 2010.
P.S: here's a vid of it running in 2010.
