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MR Corvette C8 - General Discussion
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Hi there. It's been 6 years since the C7 debuted. I still hate how tortured and overwrought it looks, and the C8 basically just copies some of its worst styling elements even though it has a completely different shape.
Can I still call it ugly, or are you going to accuse me of kneejerking to change?
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I disagree agree with you on the C7 part, I think the problem is the made a mid-engine Camaro instead.
I remember for years, literally since I first saw it in GT6, that if they just moved the canopy forward, leaving it with a shorter hood and longer rear deck the Stingray would look amazing as a MR sports/super car.
But they used the rear of the Camaro instead of the Stingray and smoothed out all the nice sharp edges... Like a Camaro.
It's like they did what I thought they should but then removed all the lines, gave it the rear end of a modern Camaro and gave it the front end of the C6. Like the only thing recognizable to me from the Stingray are the headlights.
I don't think it's an ugly car like everyone else here, but I feel like it's kinda generic and that it should have looked so much better and am a little disappointed that they seemed to make it much more boring than the Stingray.
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It's not the most elegant car out there, and some details are a bit fussy, but overall, I don't think it's bad. To my eyes, it seems like how good this car looks is highly dependent on the color. I will defer further styling judgement until I see it in person on the roads.
From the specs, there's no doubt that this is going to be a performance bargain, at least in the US. There were some posts comparing this with the Boxster/Cayman; while both are MR sports cars for under $100k, honestly I'm not sure that they are going to be heavily cross shopped.
Understood, this is the classic new vs used argument. Plenty of reasons why one would buy a new mid-engine sports car instead of a close to 30 year old mid-engine sports car.
From the specs, there's no doubt that this is going to be a performance bargain, at least in the US. There were some posts comparing this with the Boxster/Cayman; while both are MR sports cars for under $100k, honestly I'm not sure that they are going to be heavily cross shopped.
Understood, this is the classic new vs used argument. Plenty of reasons why one would buy a new mid-engine sports car instead of a close to 30 year old mid-engine sports car.
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The overall shape somehow reminds me of Ferrari FZ93 Zagato.
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This is by far the nicest image of it I have seen.
It has occured to me that this design wouldnt look out of place 10 years ago...
I don't particularly understand the idea that this car automatically makes certain other cars obsolete. I would take a porsche boxter over this thing any day of the week, i don't care if its slower. Its more refined, prettier, and likeley a significntly nicer drive than the C8. In fact I would personally almost anything equally priced, cheaper, older or slower if it were simply nice to drive, such as an elise or an a110. I'm sure there are thousands of people who agree.
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I must be the only one who liked it around here. Sure it's not the prettiest MR car around, but give them a break. It's their first attempt at a serious MR supercar. Front end is as natural a progression as you can get from the C7. The rear end obviously is different, but what do you expect. I think they still did a good job adapting the Vette design to MR. About the only thing I don't like is the empty slab behind the engine hatch, but that's where the trunk is so plus points for practicality I guess. Also the side air intake looks upside down to me (the bottom part should be longer than the top). Apart from that, I can accept the looks.
From a performance standpoint, they are absolutely right to go the MR route. The previous ZR1 was already 750+ HP. I can't think of any road car with more power than that that is still FR and has good handling (*cough* TVR Speed 12 *cough*). Now the Camaro will be able to keep improving as well without stepping on its toes. And even with going MR and finally having a presentable interior, it's still significantly cheaper than its rivals. This car is even more in spirit with the original NSX than the new NSX ever will be.
Great job Chevy 👍 Welcome to the big leagues. I can't wait for the Z06/ZR1 versions and for this car to appear in sims so I can drive it too
From a performance standpoint, they are absolutely right to go the MR route. The previous ZR1 was already 750+ HP. I can't think of any road car with more power than that that is still FR and has good handling (*cough* TVR Speed 12 *cough*). Now the Camaro will be able to keep improving as well without stepping on its toes. And even with going MR and finally having a presentable interior, it's still significantly cheaper than its rivals. This car is even more in spirit with the original NSX than the new NSX ever will be.
Great job Chevy 👍 Welcome to the big leagues. I can't wait for the Z06/ZR1 versions and for this car to appear in sims so I can drive it too
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Copy-Paste my thoughts taken from the post of the GT suggestion cars.
"She's beautiful and elegant, personally I think it's the best Chevrolet Corvette I've ever seen!"
I honestly don't know how you find it ugly, when it has good lines, you have to be an avid old-school fan to say those bad things. (frankly there are very ugly corvettes like the C3 1975-82, the first version of the C4, to finish the fat C5)
"She's beautiful and elegant, personally I think it's the best Chevrolet Corvette I've ever seen!"
I honestly don't know how you find it ugly, when it has good lines, you have to be an avid old-school fan to say those bad things. (frankly there are very ugly corvettes like the C3 1975-82, the first version of the C4, to finish the fat C5)
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After reading more comments and thinking more about the car, I can live with it. Much like McLaren, the primary design is somewhat dictated by the need for heat management. Imagine how much more difficult hat task is to execute when your target starting price is 60,000$, and not twice that, or more.
I'm still not happy that nobody had the balls to tell upper management that the modern Camaro elements are not iconic and don't fit. 3 years and we will have a new rear end, maybe sooner.
I'm still not happy that nobody had the balls to tell upper management that the modern Camaro elements are not iconic and don't fit. 3 years and we will have a new rear end, maybe sooner.
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What is this supposed to even mean?
"I think orange is a much better color than...*shudder*...green. Blue was doing just fine before someone went and added yellow to it. I'm sure there are thousands of people who agree."
It's perfectly fine to voice your opinion without vague allusions to some sort of bandwagon.
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Nothing majorly wrong with the exterior in my opinion. The long rear end certainly isn't a problem, every Pagani product for the last 20 years has had the same feature but nobody cares because ooh, it's an Italian exotic, ooh. This is just a Chevrolet so everything gets picked on. It may not be the best looking car on the market but I'd still actually prefer it to some of the molten blobs out there that get a free pass on everything because they're made by so called real supercar manufacturers.
Having said that, while the car is OK in itself... it isn't a Corvette. Calling it something else would have done it an enormous favour as it wouldn't have had to carry the legacy that comes with the name.
Having said that, while the car is OK in itself... it isn't a Corvette. Calling it something else would have done it an enormous favour as it wouldn't have had to carry the legacy that comes with the name.
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Some of you are getting out of hand. Just because people don’t like the design or don’t buy into this silly notion from Farrah that all other competitors should just give up doesn’t mean there’s Euro-elitism or people don’t like cars.
The criticism in this thread has been perfectly reasonable so far. Maybe from here on though, people can start harping “it’s a knockoff F430!” so we can look like the rest of the internet.
The criticism in this thread has been perfectly reasonable so far. Maybe from here on though, people can start harping “it’s a knockoff F430!” so we can look like the rest of the internet.
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A long rear end on a mid-engined supercar is not unusual or a problem. But it doesn't have to be butt ugly. Most Pagani's look fantastic, as do a number of (but certainly not all) McLarens. Every person has a similar shaped head, that doesn't mean everyone is pretty. It's the proportions and details that determine that, and ofcourse the opinion of the beholder.
I won't say it's wrong to say this car looks nice and dissagree with my opinion on it, the world is full of people with differing opinions on all kinds of things, but you can't use the argument that people are hypocrites for liking Pagani's and not liking this, they look completley different.
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I think the core issue here is the lack of brand language in American car designs. Usually someone makes a cool looking grille on a next gen car, then the exec’s slap that grill on every model they make to signify that as their brand design. Think Audi with that grille, 2004 A4 vs 2008 A4.
The corvette has no DISTINCT lines other than front engined, and coupe with rounded rear window. Nobody rags on every BMW or Audi that tools about because they’ve nailed their brand language to a science (literally). With no consistent designs across generations, the next generations lose fans as fast as they gain new ones. Double edged sword, really.
So I’ll repeat what I said earlier because it still stands. In two to three months, everyone will love it. And guess what, every Chevy from here will use the corvette’s design as their new design language. Sharp, aggressive, and angled. In the next ten years the cycles will repeat unless Chevy maintains a key design element from here on to signify Chevy.
P.S. you might be wondering why people like the new Sierra Denali over the new Silverado, look at the 2012 Sierra, 2015 Sierra, and the new one. Notice how similar they are, no one was caught off guard, therefore no one was put off. That’s the safe approach, but the corvette tends to be more ballsy.
The corvette has no DISTINCT lines other than front engined, and coupe with rounded rear window. Nobody rags on every BMW or Audi that tools about because they’ve nailed their brand language to a science (literally). With no consistent designs across generations, the next generations lose fans as fast as they gain new ones. Double edged sword, really.
So I’ll repeat what I said earlier because it still stands. In two to three months, everyone will love it. And guess what, every Chevy from here will use the corvette’s design as their new design language. Sharp, aggressive, and angled. In the next ten years the cycles will repeat unless Chevy maintains a key design element from here on to signify Chevy.
P.S. you might be wondering why people like the new Sierra Denali over the new Silverado, look at the 2012 Sierra, 2015 Sierra, and the new one. Notice how similar they are, no one was caught off guard, therefore no one was put off. That’s the safe approach, but the corvette tends to be more ballsy.
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There have been at least a couple of 750bhp+ FR road cars (not counting modified cars, if you include those there are a lot). The TVR Speed 12 has not been driven by many people but John Barker who used to write for Evo Magazine drove it once and said it was immense, the handling, the power, everything was just on another level. It is a relateively old car now though, and that level of power isn't exceptional anymore, it's top speed aside, modern supercars with similar power would probably beat it in most areas.
Aston Martin's One/77 has 750bhp and I don't believe that handles badly, also Ferrari's 812 Superfast has 788bhp, like the Aston, I don't think that handles badly either. But it also depends what you mean by "good handling" good for a track or road, the two don't often come together and at what point does the handling become good, what is the ball park.
Not that I'm dissagreeing with your actual point though, it is a logical choice though to move the engine back once the power and speeds increase, which is why mid-engines supercars are the norm. It's about the weight distribution and balance at speed as well as the size of the car, a front engined car can be balanced at speed, but they aren't nearly as compact as a mid-engined equivelent would be.
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I'll repeat what I said earlier, because it still stands: It's been 6 years since the C7 debuted. I still hate how it looks; in ways remarkably similar to the problems I have with the C8 considering its "new design language."
You mean like the Impala that came out 5 years ago already did because the Corvette's new design language is 13 years old? Or the Malibu that came out 3 years ago already did because the Corvette's new design language is 13 years old? Or the Volt that came out 5 years ago already did because the Corvette's new design language is 13 years old? Or the Corvette that came out 6 years ago already did because the Corvette's new design language is 13 years old?
There's perhaps a reason every time GM shows a new car the immediate Internet reaction is comparing it to the Camaro. It's obvious that it will be their new design language, because it already has been for long enough that some cars have already been restyled to get away from it.
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I'll be replying to this bit because the other parts are opinions, and yes, design is VERY subjective, so I'm not going to try and steer you away from what you think is right just to appease me.
Look at the details and complexity of the surfacing and highlights. Bear in mind, from first sketches to production, it's about a 4-5 year long process. When that Holden test mule came out, I'm 60% sure the design proportions and theme was nailed down and being only tweaked. When the mule's come out, it all engineers from there.
2012-2016 Malibu:
2006-2013 C5 Corvette
2013-2019 C7 Corvette
2016-Present Malibu
While I DEFINETLY won't argue that the Malibu is a looker, it definitely caught me off guard when I first saw it, thinking "What the hell is that?". You can see that radical change Chevy made after the C7 with their brand language. It was such an evolution, people didn't like it at first, key point being the Malibu. Point is, their big changes in brand language are always weird or often times ugly at first, but given time you start to respect the move they made. I imagine some big shake ups will come in the Chevy line-up following the C8 in about four or five years. The Volt that came matches the C7 and Malibu is crazy highlights and sharp surfacing, and the Camaro that followed matches the same language, so does the Blazer, so on so forth. We like BMW's, Audi's, and VW's (maybe) because they don't do gigantic 180's like this.
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