MX-5 Cup: Round 2***RESULTS POSTED***

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Nice work smallhorses and madmax86, probably should of gone for a draft setup, but took a while just to get a setup without the computer always hitting me.

I'm not sure why the handicap is generated with my first time differential giving me a much worse handicap, doesn't seem logical to be using outliers. If it were a 10s difference and then I had lost every other race by 1s I would still have a worse handicap which doesn't make sense so I think I'm going to stop racing.
 
I'm not sure why the handicap is generated with my first time differential giving me a much worse handicap, doesn't seem logical to be using outliers. If it were a 10s difference and then I had lost every other race by 1s I would still have a worse handicap which doesn't make sense so I think I'm going to stop racing.

It's going to be a dynamic thing.
With your handicap in place for the next race, you stand less chance of having a winning time, as do six more of us on negative-handicaps, and therefore your next handicap calculation will take that into account, swinging you back towards a no-handicap or positive-handicap situation for the next race. Which you'll then, more than likely given your driving ability win, and so you'll be swung back to negative-handicap again! It makes it a more level playing field week-in-week-out instead of having the same 3 fastest drivers winning each week.

You're going to hate the handicap events at SFGTP4 if you think this is bad! :lol:
 
Nice work smallhorses and madmax86, probably should of gone for a draft setup, but took a while just to get a setup without the computer always hitting me.

I'm not sure why the handicap is generated with my first time differential giving me a much worse handicap, doesn't seem logical to be using outliers. If it were a 10s difference and then I had lost every other race by 1s I would still have a worse handicap which doesn't make sense so I think I'm going to stop racing.

I've sent a PM attempting to explain the handicap calculation, and keep in mind that the handicap would adjust every week, based on series to date results, with an adjustment for the handicap. I'm honestly not sure how much difference these small handicaps are even going to make. If you consider that the WRS handicap events have used much more liberal %'s to separate the divisions, you might end up being surprised where you come out.

I would rather not lose you from the series over a simple handicap calculation. I'm open to feedback from the collective group of racers.

Sorry guys got my times confused.

See you @ next race

Sent you a PM - Let us know what the confusion was, might be able to work something out, pending agreement from the other racers. 👍
 
raz_10 missed submitting his time due to a time zone issue. I'm running another series and use PST as the time for submission. raz_10 has also been participating in that series.

Considering that he posted in the thread prior to 7pm PST, I'm inclined to accept his submission, with the understanding that this is a one time exception.

I plan to include him in the results, unless there are objections from any other participants. Please speak up within the next 24 hours if you have an issue with this.
 
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raz_10 missed submitting his time due to a time zone issue. I'm running another series and use PST as the time for submission. raz_10 has also been participating in that series.

Considering that he posted in the thread prior to 7pm PST, I'm inclined to accept his submission, with the understanding that this is a one time exception.

I plan to include him in the results, unless there are objections from any other participants. Please speak up within the next 24 hours if you have an issue with this.


Sorry guys, my total bad on this one. If you guys feel that is not fair then I understand 👍. But thatnk you again to EDK and RACECAR (and all of you) for understanding and giving me a chance. :cheers:
 
Hmmmm. That's a tricky one.

It's easy for me to say "Yeah, go ahead and include him" but on the other hand, given an unusual performance this week :crazy:, I'm unlikely to be one of the drivers that suffers a points loss from the inclusion of raz_10's times unless he's pulled something similar.

A certain amount of care is expected when contesting any race series on GT Planet, and having a good idea of when a race deadline is, is a critical part of taking part in a race. The WRS deadline has changed many times over the years and with the different stewards, as it's usually designed to be most practical for the person who is preparing the results, as it should be.
As far as I know there's never been an exception to a new deadline, as it's the racer's responsibility to know and respect the deadline.
I fell foul of it during the GT3 days and denied myself what would've been a WRS Div 1. 3rd place by failing to notice a deadline change. It's a mistake I've made once, and once only and I learned from it the first time! :ouch:
(Sadly I only ever made it close to a 3rd place time once after that!)
The race deadline, has been clearly visible from the start of RACECAR's thread, and EDK did post a 2 hour time warning. It's understandable, of course, that not everyone is actually online all the time & missed that, but it does of course seem unfair to penalise those who observed the deadline too.
Now with Serge D.'s missing of the deadline too, it would seem grossly unfair to give one driver the benefit of the doubt for posting his mistake before the PST deadline that EDK normally runs, given that raz_10 is in the same timezone, and yet penalise Serge D. who is 9 hours ahead, and probably fast-asleep when the deadline passed and yet still posted at 4:34AM(!) his time having realised this! Either we have to give them both the benefit of the doubt, or neither.
It's a horrid call to make, and I have to leave it to the 2 Stewards to use their best judgement in this case. :guilty:

If it's decided that it's more convenient to have the race deadline set according to what is convenient for EDK as the chief results compiler, then you should reflect that in this weeks race thread.
Preferably in 30ft-high flashing neon-pink lettering. :P
 
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That is a good point. SERGE D. clearly admits his was late, but yet raz_10 is accepted dispite its lateness. I think just to fair, We're gonna have to make an equal call which includes:

-Penalize Raz_10 the same way
-Give SERGE D. a benefit of a doubt as he also clearly stated he missed the Deadline

Some talking will have to be done but while thats going on, I'm gonna go ahead and Post up Round 3 to keep things moving.
 
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It's a complete judgment call, but I saw a difference between confusion with the deadline vs. forgetting to post times.

At this point, I'll go whatever direction the collective participants would like. 👍
 
Woo, looking at the results I'm actually doing okay! And sitting right in the middle with no handicap either for the next race :P I thought my Fuji race was a bit rubbish as I'd gone much quicker in my practice (but non-clean) runs but obviously it wasn't too bad.

On the raz_10 and Serge.D thing, I have no complaints whatsoever if their times were to be accepted.
 
I've sent a PM to Serge D. requesting his time for consideration.

raz_10's time is 16:36.513. So at this time, CyborgGT, CAMikaze, nissantuner and Marooned would be moved down with his inclusion.

Once I have a reply from Serge D., I will PM all racers that would be impacted by inclusion of these racers. If ALL affected racers do not agree to the inclusion of raz_10 and Serge D. in the results, I will not include their times.

I don't want any of this to seem wishy washy, etc. I'm just trying to make the best of all of this with the issues we've had in getting this off the ground. My intent would be to hold firm on the deadline going forward. 👍
 
I have received a most honest and very commendable PM from Serge D. regarding his time submission. 👍

Serge.D
raz_10 was too late to send his times due to a time zone issue,I was not too late,I forgot to send my times.

Serge

I believe this means that only raz_10's times need to be contested and we'll leave it up to EDK to contact the members that his inclusion will affect to get their approval or objections to his inclusion.

Once again thanks to Serge D. for being open & honest in this regard. :)
You've done your reputation here no harm at all by admitting your mistake, supporting another racer, and not trying to take unfair advantage of a situation that could've been used in your favour.
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It's a shame that the +Rep system is no longer available here or this would've earned you some +Rep points from me! :cheers:
 
Sorry guys, my total bad on this one. If you guys feel that is not fair then I understand 👍. But thatnk you again to EDK and RACECAR (and all of you) for understanding and giving me a chance. :cheers:

I also had some confusion with the timezone thing.
I saw that the deadline was set to 11.59GTM
and I looked at my watch being 11.58 and panic'd :lol:
then I wrote the entry from in 3 minutes and submitted it.
after that I realised that there was actually 3 hours left for deadline.

Also, I gotta submit my ARCAT entry tonight
as deadline is 5.00AM my local time (GMT+3)
By that time I will be sleeping, so gotta be little pre-emptive.

My opinion in raz_10's case is against including the results.
Nothing personal, just that I am in the same boat with you in this case.
 
I have received a most honest and very commendable PM from Serge D. regarding his time submission. 👍



I believe this means that only raz_10's times need to be contested and we'll leave it up to EDK to contact the members that his inclusion will affect to get their approval or objections to his inclusion.

Once again thanks to Serge D. for being open & honest in this regard. :)
You've done your reputation here no harm at all by admitting your mistake, supporting another racer, and not trying to take unfair advantage of a situation that could've been used in your favour.
respect-037.gif

It's a shame that the +Rep system is no longer available here or this would've earned you some +Rep points from me! :cheers:

Thank you Smallhorses. :)👍
 
Hey guys:
I really do not think is fair for those that submitted on time! And after reading the posts I see that 4 people will be affected by my times. Which I do not think is fair they have to go down because I did not follow rules.
So please take my times I've PM'ed to EDK (per his request) out and I will take a NDF for race #2.

See you all @ Suzuka
 
Hey guys:
I really do not think is fair for those that submitted on time! And after reading the posts I see that 4 people will be affected by my times. Which I do not think is fair they have to go down because I did not follow rules.
So please take my times I've PM'ed to EDK (per his request) out and I will take a NDF for race #2.

See you all @ Suzuka

Thanks Ricardo. 👍

See you at the next one.
 
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