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TS, I understand what your saying and feeling and actually feel the same about jr driving a car that isn't a DEI car(though it hasn't been as long), but think about how long its been since an Earnhardt drove the #88. Anyone remember Ralph Earnhardt?
 
What the **** is wrong with Kyle Petty? He really needs to get out of the way of drivers who are actually on pace. Consistently out of the top 35 and DNF galore, he is the one who needs to be in the Busch series, not Hamlin. A total and absolute disgrace to his daddy.

Stremme's number 40 Halo 3 car Red Rings and blows an engine. :lol:
 
Jacques Villeneue picked up a 21st place finish at Las Vegas in the Craftsman Truck Series.


John Sounds Off! - Reiteration of World Class Racers in NASCAR
I stated that Juan Pablo Montoya's move to NASCAR shouldn't be a way of NASCAR fans showing F1 who's the better racing series. I stand behind that because I know there are some of my own American folk who despise Formula One so much that any boost towards international talent (I include Canada as international talent) makes NASCAR incredibly relevant. In this time of NASCAR somewhat welcoming a world audience, these defectors of better racing series are a good indication of the kind of world talent NASCAR looks to have. I always say to never be prideful of NASCAR because of international stars stepping into NASCAR (I Initially wanted to say "stepping down to NASCAR"). It helps, but what about all the other different people from different nation who'll continually say "NASCAR ain't s:censored: compared to (a favorite local/national/regional/international series)." I was watching college football, so I didn't get to see any of the Las Vegas NCTS race. I'm proud for Jacques Villeneue. He's a world class racer who had his rounds in a number of racing series including Le Mans earlier this year. He shouldn't be downplayed or be given bulls:censored: statements if he doesn't do very well. Here are some examples of downplaying and just being an ass (hypocritical):

DOWNPLAY: "Jacques Villeneue is a great racer, but he can't hold a candle to these NASCAR guys. Everybody knows the world's best drivers are in NASCAR."

HYPOCRITICAL: "If Jacques Villeneue supposed to be a world-class racer, how come he can't pilot a NASCAR truck around an oval to victory lane beating everybody else?"

I have no problem with world-class talent taking on the challenge of NASCAR. I do feel a little bit like... why? Why NASCAR? Why ovals and more Hollywood drama than actual racing? You have to remember, though- NASCAR, like IndyCar to Le Mans, is just a motorsport. You enhance your skills in an incredible degree by going into other different motorsports. Most of us who aren't extremely fond of NASCAR are usually critical of NASCAR and world-class drivers who enter NASCAR, even if for only one race. The feeling of world-class talent taking on the challenge of Indy Cars or the Indy 500 is much different. It's different because there usually isn't a shortage of international talent in the IndyCar Series. Hell, they even race at Motegi's superspeedway. You still get some great American talent racing alongside international stars. But back to NASCAR. I wish Jacques Villeneue all the best in all of his action in NASCAR. I just hope we don't hear of a "Canadian Invasion" much like when Juan Pablo Montoya was told to have some sort of Latino invasion of NASCAR. The sort of pro-American focus drives me insane and makes me unable to connect with NASCAR fans or even have to listen to them. Whatever happened to a non-patriotic approach to racing where racers are better respected by their talent and not by where they come from or from what culture they represent? Even if they race in a domestic or regional series? Until this gets resolved (if it does), I'll still honor Villeneue's racing talent for his own personal talent contribution to NASCAR as opposed to the fact that he's an F1 champ adjusting to NASCAR. If you plan on knocking Villeneue for what he brings to NASCAR's depth of talent like what was done to Juan Pablo Montoya, then it's going to be a long (as in seemingly long and full of negative criticism. Think of playing sports for a New York City or Boston team) time in NASCAR for the 1997 F1 World Champion.


-end "Sound Off"


I'm also glad that Carl Edwards picked up his first win at Dover. Jeff Gordon is who I'd like to see win the title, but I am also fans of Jimmie Johnson and Carl Edwards. And Carl? He's going to win one NASCAR championship AT LEAST. I love watching this guy race. I've grown a lot of respect for Carl Edwards. He's a great guy. Here's a debate for you:

John's Debate! - Do Numbers Matter?
Dale Earnhardt Jr. will try and get a fresh start in NASCAR by going to Hendrick Motorsports and recently changing his number from 8 to 88. It's a number that has been used by Dale Jarrett (1999 (then) Winston Cup champ) and even Darrell Waltrip. However, does it REALLY make a difference what your driver number is?

Here is my response. NASCAR isn't the NFL. Every Green Bay Packer fan knows who wears #4. Everyone in Philadelphia knows the late great player that wore #92 for the Eagles. NASCAR's sort of twist on numbers makes it seem like you know the racers that compete with certain numbers. Take me, for instance. I consider #25 as my driver number for games I play. It doesn't truly matter what my number is. I have a preference. And let's say I win a championship in a certain series. I'll carry the driver number of #1 in that series. I may be known for a certain number, but in most racing series, the only number that truly matters is #1 because it's where you want to finish and what you want to be ranked as versus your other opponents. NASCAR's marketing of driver numbers makes me think that NASCAR's is like the NFL. However, the NFL doesn't market player numbers all that much because you know players by their talent rather than a silly number (no disrespect to the NFL in regards to player numbers). It just doesn't get thrown around as much in most stick-and-ball sports like it is in NASCAR.

So the new debate and discussion question: do driver numbers REALLY matter in NASCAR? Or is this just marketing hype?
 
Jacques Villeneue picked up a 21st place finish at Las Vegas in the Craftsman Truck Series.
Nice job for him:tup:.


John Sounds Off! - Reiteration of World Class Racers in NASCAR
I stated that Juan Pablo Montoya's move to NASCAR shouldn't be a way of NASCAR fans showing F1 who's the better racing series. I stand behind that because I know there are some of my own American folk who despise Formula One so much that any boost towards international talent (I include Canada as international talent) makes NASCAR incredibly relevant. In this time of NASCAR somewhat welcoming a world audience, these defectors of better racing series are a good indication of the kind of world talent NASCAR looks to have. I always say to never be prideful of NASCAR because of international stars stepping into NASCAR (I Initially wanted to say "stepping down to NASCAR"). It helps, but what about all the other different people from different nation who'll continually say "NASCAR ain't s:censored: compared to (a favorite local/national/regional/international series)." I was watching college football, so I didn't get to see any of the Las Vegas NCTS race. I'm proud for Jacques Villeneue. He's a world class racer who had his rounds in a number of racing series including Le Mans earlier this year. He shouldn't be downplayed or be given bulls:censored: statements if he doesn't do very well. Here are some examples of downplaying and just being an ass (hypocritical):

DOWNPLAY: "Jacques Villeneue is a great racer, but he can't hold a candle to these NASCAR guys. Everybody knows the world's best drivers are in NASCAR."

HYPOCRITICAL: "If Jacques Villeneue supposed to be a world-class racer, how come he can't pilot a NASCAR truck around an oval to victory lane beating everybody else?"

I have no problem with world-class talent taking on the challenge of NASCAR. I do feel a little bit like... why? Why NASCAR? Why ovals and more Hollywood drama than actual racing? You have to remember, though- NASCAR, like IndyCar to Le Mans, is just a motorsport. You enhance your skills in an incredible degree by going into other different motorsports. Most of us who aren't extremely fond of NASCAR are usually critical of NASCAR and world-class drivers who enter NASCAR, even if for only one race. The feeling of world-class talent taking on the challenge of Indy Cars or the Indy 500 is much different. It's different because there usually isn't a shortage of international talent in the IndyCar Series. Hell, they even race at Motegi's superspeedway. You still get some great American talent racing alongside international stars. But back to NASCAR. I wish Jacques Villeneue all the best in all of his action in NASCAR. I just hope we don't hear of a "Canadian Invasion" much like when Juan Pablo Montoya was told to have some sort of Latino invasion of NASCAR. The sort of pro-American focus drives me insane and makes me unable to connect with NASCAR fans or even have to listen to them. Whatever happened to a non-patriotic approach to racing where racers are better respected by their talent and not by where they come from or from what culture they represent? Even if they race in a domestic or regional series? Until this gets resolved (if it does), I'll still honor Villeneue's racing talent for his own personal talent contribution to NASCAR as opposed to the fact that he's an F1 champ adjusting to NASCAR. If you plan on knocking Villeneue for what he brings to NASCAR's depth of talent like what was done to Juan Pablo Montoya, then it's going to be a long (as in seemingly long and full of negative criticism. Think of playing sports for a New York City or Boston team) time in NASCAR for the 1997 F1 World Champion.

-end "Sound Off"
I wish people would just shut up and accept him for who he is and not for Where he comes from. People are so freaking afraid of they're drivers being challenged that they through utter BS into the mix and make excuses. And if I'm not mistaken, The worlds best drivers aren't the ones who are just in a certain series, but are ones who have driven alot of different cars and different series. It just makes me sick when people say "everyone knows the world's best drivers are in NASCAR" or things like as it just shows their ignorant fanboyism.


I'm also glad that Carl Edwards picked up his first win at Dover. Jeff Gordon is who I'd like to see win the title, but I am also fans of Jimmie Johnson and Carl Edwards. And Carl? He's going to win one NASCAR championship AT LEAST. I love watching this guy race. I've grown a lot of respect for Carl Edwards.
I've watched him since he was in the truck series and he has been an truly awesome and down to earth driver.

John's Debate! - Do Numbers Matter?
Dale Earnhardt Jr. will try and get a fresh start in NASCAR by going to Hendrick Motorsports and recently changing his number from 8 to 88. It's a number that has been used by Dale Jarrett (1999 (then) Winston Cup champ) and even Darrell Waltrip.
Indeed, and I would like to add that(for some reason, not many people know this probably for the fact that they've been used to seeing it as a ford) Ralph Earnhardt, Jr's Grandfather(I think) has driven the 88 as well.

So the new debate and discussion question: do driver numbers REALLY matter in NASCAR? Or is this just marketing hype?
While it leaves a lasting impression, not really. I have been used to seeing the 8 car as JR's car, even mistaking The Bass Pro Shops car in the busch series as Jr's car on several occasions. Overall though, I think that the fact that Its Dale Earnhardt Jr., Ironically the Second Earnhardt to drive a #88 Chevrolet(at least to my knowledge), is more important then the number. For example, Jr was what sold the #8 on so much merchandise and collectibles and his move to the #88 may eventually outsell the #8 because Jr is no longer there. So my answer is no numbers aren't important.
 
What the **** is wrong with Kyle Petty? He really needs to get out of the way of drivers who are actually on pace. Consistently out of the top 35 and DNF galore, he is the one who needs to be in the Busch series, not Hamlin. A total and absolute disgrace to his daddy.

True, I definetly would've given Hamlin more room for being one of the front runners & being a chase driver, but the point that he was trying to make that the race for the win & championship arent the only races on the track, there's races for 15th, 20th, lucky dog position, etc. Come Kansas, everyone will be among friends. :)

JohnBM01
Jacques Villeneue picked up a 21st place finish at Las Vegas in the Craftsman Truck Series.

That finish didn't show what he accomplished in qualifying or what he would've accomplished if he hadn't made contact with a truck he was racing. He had a good qualifying effort of 7th and was running in the top 15 at the time he made contact.
 
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You gotta be kidding me... who designs these cars?

Hmm doesn't seem to have that certain look of a Hendrick paint scheme to it. I don't see yellow numbers or nice bright colours on that car.
 
* Carl Edwards got hit with a 25-point penalty after his car failed post-race inspection. He drops from 3rd in points in Cup to 6th. I still think he'll bounce back because this guy is good. Can you imagine if Carl Edwards raced Indy Cars or raced some of those big rig trucks, wins the race, then backflips from his car. Could he do it? ^_^ * Tony Raines in Busch has himself a penalty. I think it was because he threw his helmet at someone's car. I can understand being upset with someone, but there's a time and place for everything. It's just some of the manufactured drama I really dislike about NASCAR. * The Mountain Dew car design isn't very good. I know I say I love blue, but I also like red. And I'll admit that the #8 Budweiser car is a very nice-looking car. I've seen better. I'm not usually fond of styling for stock cars as I am with most sportscar racing machines, but this isn't a very nice-looking car. I've seen better. Perhaps my favorite green-colored car was that Conseco machine unveiled in 2000 or so.

Regardless, the NASCAR tour goes to Kansas next. Any thoughts?
 
* Carl Edwards got hit with a 25-point penalty after his car failed post-race inspection. He drops from 3rd in points in Cup to 6th. I still think he'll bounce back because this guy is good. Can you imagine if Carl Edwards raced Indy Cars or raced some of those big rig trucks, wins the race, then backflips from his car. Could he do it? ^_^ * Tony Raines in Busch has himself a penalty. I think it was because he threw his helmet at someone's car. I can understand being upset with someone, but there's a time and place for everything. It's just some of the manufactured drama I really dislike about NASCAR. * The Mountain Dew car design isn't very good. I know I say I love blue, but I also like red. And I'll admit that the #8 Budweiser car is a very nice-looking car. I've seen better. I'm not usually fond of styling for stock cars as I am with most sportscar racing machines, but this isn't a very nice-looking car. I've seen better. Perhaps my favorite green-colored car was that Conseco machine unveiled in 2000 or so.

Regardless, the NASCAR tour goes to Kansas next. Any thoughts?

I don't think Edwards would be back flipping off of any open wheel car, could you imagine how mad his team would get if he stood on the car, bent up the rear wing? Or if he did it off of the engine cover, falling off and breaking his neck, he'd probably climb the track fence and stage dive into the arms of his crew.
 
It's great to see Jacques get back into the racing main stream.I was hopping to see him in the ALMS,but NASCAR will do fine.I watched most of the race and he did a great job.He went in knowing that he was there for seat time and kept his nose clean for most of the race.I beleive that he will do the rest of the truck races this year.It will be interesting to see how fast he picks up on the art of racing the heavy weight compared to the lite weight of a open wheel.It's also great to see a Canadian in NASCAR as Ron Fellows is moving toward retiring.
 
It's also great to see a Canadian in NASCAR as Ron Fellows is moving toward retiring.
Hmmm, I thought he was trying to secure a full time cup ride, unless I 'm getting that confused with Boris Said.
 
In speaking of Canadians, you'd probably agree with me that Ron Fellows will retire as one of the most likable, respectful, and capable race car drives from Canada, right?
 
Someone explain to me please cause I'm an idiot about the way sponsorship works...

Now that we know Budweiser will sponsor Kasey Kahne, a non-DEI driver and team, why the heck didnt they just follow Jr to Hendrick? Or is it because Hendrick's current sponsors woudl kick up **** about it?

As for the liveries, the Amp one looks pretty good, but not digging the National Guard. Certainly not digging the 88 on a Hendrick car.
 
I think the reason why Bud didn't go to Hendrick with Jr. is because there was probably some 'bad blood' over the fact that Budweiser used to sponsor the 25 car at Hendrick before leaving to sponsor Junior in 2000.
 
Also, Hendrick didn't want to cut off its contract with other sponsors, such as PepsiCo, which probably wouldn't want to be associated with a beer company, as all the rumors have said.

Ans on the paint job, I like the NG one, on the amp one, the green could be much brighter, like the can, and I think the numbers should atleast be yellow or bright green.

From,
Chris.
 
Anybody (besides me) find today's commentary of the Busch race on ESPN uncharacteristicly good?
 
TS
Anybody (besides me) find today's commentary of the Busch race on ESPN uncharacteristicly good?

well imo, the commentators was still boring as always. the only difference was the brad something lol, replaced rusty wallace in the booth.

good race.
 
One word can easily describe yesterday's cup race.

Wacky.

It only gets better at Talladega this week, plates & wings OMG!
 
Next week might be a crash fest if Villenuve qualifies in the middle of the field.:nervous: In other words he will probably not have a draft partner through the whole race for that sole reason.


Yesterday's race was wierd, I know Greg Zip should've brought Stewart in. Especially when everyone was going in on that caution lap. I wish the race ended in Green white checkered, but due to darkness it didn't happen:grumpy:.
 
I think the COT and Talledega are going to be bad combination. That wing plus the weight and the shape= not good.
 
Don't forget the restrictor plates!:scared::nervous:

But then again, we might have a caution free race that could challenge for the fastest 500 mile race in NASCAR history.:crazy:
 
Well since the bumpers on the COT line up I think slam drafting accidents will be cut to nonexistent, might make for a more interesting race!
 
Nascar with its left hand turns all day...

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I love just about every other form of auto racing.. Formula 1, WRC, drifting, drag racing. Just not Nascar.
 
Nascar with its left hand turns all day...

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I love just about every other form of auto racing.. Formula 1, WRC, drifting, drag racing. Just not Nascar.
Dude, thats a very unnecessary post. If you don't like NASCAR, then why do you post here?
 
agreed, the post is just pointless.

anyway, sundays race was just crazy.

A. greg biffle did not win that race imo. just like bowyer and others said, he wasn't maintaining pace car speed. NASCAR said that he was going a "reasonable" speed. thats bull****. also, after biffle crossed the finish line. he turned immediatly into the grass. don't you have to complete another lap after the finish?

B. i cant stand the fact that they called the race because of darkness. maybe this is a message that NASCAR needs to install lights at ALL racetracks.
there are 10 tracks that do not have lights...Kansas, Talladega, Indy, Martinsville, Pocono, Michigan, Infineon and Walkins Glen (road courses), Dover, and New Hampshere.
Chicagoland is getting lights.
 
I find it exciting when I get the chance to see it, but catching it in the UK is quite hard. Anyway, I have found this video on youtube. It's a video of the largest crash in NASCAR History.


Amazingly, everybody walked away from this one. I found the pile-up hilarious, well once I knew everybody was OK!
 
You know me. I'm not excited about crashes. Never was. Action could really take place if we have something like "The Big One" at Talladega this weekend. This even includes "I'm-too-good-to-be-shown-despite-the-Petit-Le-Mans" NASCAR Truck race at Talladega. Everyone is thinking of Clint Bowyer(?) (or is it Denny Hamlin?) to be the "Cinderella" of this season's Chase for the Cup. Any chance he upsets the Hendrick cars?
 
You know me. I'm not excited about crashes. Never was. Action could really take place if we have something like "The Big One" at Talladega this weekend. This even includes "I'm-too-good-to-be-shown-despite-the-Petit-Le-Mans" NASCAR Truck race at Talladega. Everyone is thinking of Clint Bowyer(?) (or is it Denny Hamlin?) to be the "Cinderella" of this season's Chase for the Cup. Any chance he upsets the Hendrick cars?
You've lost me there! :confused:
 
Let me break the things up...

* I'm not excited about crashes in ANY motorsport. You mentioned that collection of crashes in NASCAR, and I simply noted my dislike of them.

* Talladega is the next round (or is it?). Care to comment about Talladega action with NASCAR?

* Do you think there's any chance of Clint Bowyer finishing higher than Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson in the points when it's all said and done?

Your call.
 
Let me break the things up...

* I'm not excited about crashes in ANY motorsport. You mentioned that collection of crashes in NASCAR, and I simply noted my dislike of them.

* Talladega is the next round (or is it?). Care to comment about Talladega action with NASCAR?

* Do you think there's any chance of Clint Bowyer finishing higher than Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson in the points when it's all said and done?

Your call.
Now I get it. I got confused by the Cinderella thing at first, but now you've broken it up I understand it! 👍
 
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